Kristi Noem is built Ford Tough
She folded like a cheap rent to the tyranny nazis though. Unforgivable.
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Kristi Noem is built Ford Tough
Did you see the gold standard of medical study orgs found that masks were/are almost entirely ineffective? Big surprise, eh?Feel free to find one that shows the vaccines are effective.
I’ve usually used CDC numbers, when they’re available, and look for other sources that confirm they’re in the ballpark. Unfortunately they don’t include comorbidities as a reported statistic (and they never have, it’s not just Covid). That’s something that would be next to impossible to do effectively, so not trying to is easily understood.
In the early days, there were indications that the virus was pretty bad, especially in larger cities. Making it worse was the fact that doctors didn’t really know how to treat it. So, it was a problem. By the end of 2020, docs were learning what worked, and we’d figured out that more than half of people who got infected never even knew it. The mortality wasn’t that high.
Maybe the shutdowns helped to spread out the infections and take pressure off hospitals, I don’t know. I don’t believe they did anything else. Masks - for the most part - were pretty ineffective. Most people weren’t wearing them properly, one way or another, and really…masks are meant mostly to keep things out, not in. They probably reduced projection, but they weren’t the magical shields some governors I could name thought they were. The vaccines had a level of effectiveness, but it was never near the level suggested by either of the presidents or any of the governors or talking heads touting them. Honestly, I would bet that the availability of at-home testing was a greater benefit than the vaccines were.
But, opinions vary, just like they do about any other issue. And we’re supposed to be able to discuss those variations and tolerate them. Some people believe the whole thing was stupid, we should have just let it run its course. Others think we should have locked down tight and waited for the virus to die itself. Neither is right or wrong, both are valid - if extreme - opinions. I have mine, you have yours, and I’m not going to fight over it.
What I prefer to focus on is that neither of us were among the million plus who never get to be part of the conversation again.
Right...because we all need medical degrees to understand data. Good take Loyal. OMG....Mindless and gullible? Are you looking in the mirror? And tell us where exactly you got your medical degree? I hear Lauren Boebert and Marjorie Taylor Greene are on the prowl for new husbands. Better get on that. Although to be fair, Boebert is smoking hot.
I see. The idiots. You misspelled Ediot. 😀This was such a great thread, too.
And just like the American voter, my shock and surprise has turned to apathy when the idiots show up and ruin everything.
Again.
Lies. Mostly lies...and dumb anecdotal stories. It's Ed though. We get used to that.Justin....tons to say. One, I mean this in the most honest way I can. I truly hope you or your loved ones never get cancer. Something I learned probably 20 years ago. My neighbor who is anesthesiologist has a daughter who had leukemia when she was 4. We were at are local 4th of July parade and I ran into him. We got talking about cancer and I asked him if we would ever find a cure for cancer. He said absolutely not. The hope was in DNA detection of potential cancers at birth and will cause people to be very early on detection. He said Ed cancer morphs, so when you over time it changes and now you deal with something else.
So when people go to an oncologist and they get on a protocol (thru clinical trials and other data over time, the "success rate" is say 90%) and they find out the drug either didn't work or wasn't effective, doesn't mean the drug was garbage. They now go to another plan. Why didn't the drug work like it did 1000 of times before? Cancer probably morphed.
The original covid vaccine had great trials. Granted, looking back the vaccine window to get to herd immunity was short as covid morphed into delta. Once that happened the flood gates in terms of transmission were opened.
Second, if this was 1942, they would have had 100% injected because it was best for the country. If this was 2000 and george bush we would have hit heard immunity in June before Delta came around. Medicine like anything else is not perfect. You make adjustments. For example they would probably not keep kids at home if we ever go through this again.
Third, vaccines are already mandated. Kids can't go to school without them.
Fourth, I can't tell you how many people woudn't get the jab but snorted so much coke they made Marion Berry look like a casual user.
I know people whose livers look like swiss cheese cause they are alcoholics, won't take the jab. I know people who had unprotected sex and risked getting all sorts of social diseases but wouldn't take the jab.
5) People looked at simply the death rate. There were so many other aspects of lives it affected other than death. Getting proper medical care for not only humans but pets.
6) I am a firm believer in what goes around comes around. There will be a time when it would appear to be in the best interest of the general public that a vaccine needs to be taken, and a disease comes on our shores and the age group that is affected is 22 to 50. And it diminishes their ability to have their johnson head north. And trust me when I tell you I will laugh my ass off when people in your age group are freaking out cause it would be transmitted like covid but does not affect my age group. "Sorry, the vaccine you want me to take is "garbage". "
Lastly, I look at numbers. In September 2021- I was in Greenville SC. 540 case of covid in the hospital system. 510 weren't vaxed.
110 in intensive care, 103 weren't vaxed.
86 were on ventilators, 83 weren't vaxed.
Those numbers tell me a different story than what you are telling me.
Geezus. 7 posts in a row. Get a grip, freak.Lies. Mostly lies...and dumb anecdotal stories. It's Ed though. We get used to that.
Haha. Okay freak...the guy who seems to have forgotten that the jab was sold as prevention for covid.Geezus. 7 posts in a row. Get a grip, freak.
No, dipshit, the vaccine was meant to possibly prevent infection but more importantly to reduce the severity of Covid if gotten. It did both. Gawd you are a stupid f-er. Do you really have a degree from WSU?Haha. Okay freak...the guy who seems to have forgotten that the jab was sold as prevention for covid.
There's a sucker born every minute....
That's the new spin.No, dipshit, the vaccine was meant to possibly prevent infection but more importantly to reduce the severity of Covid if gotten. It did both. Gawd you are a stupid f-er. Do you really have a degree from WSU?
Classic. Weren’t you one of those twats touting ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine and vitamin C? You wouldn’t know a study if it fell on your head.Feel free to find one that shows the vaccines are effective.
You are arguing with whack-a-doodle cultists. They already drank the Kook-Aid and there ain’t no goin’ back.No, dipshit, the vaccine was meant to possibly prevent infection but more importantly to reduce the severity of Covid if gotten. It did both. Gawd you are a stupid f-er. Do you really have a degree from WSU?
No, dipshit, the vaccine was meant to possibly prevent infection but more importantly to reduce the severity of Covid if gotten. It did both. Gawd you are a stupid f-er. Do you really have a degree from WSU?
You are arguing with whack-a-doodle cultists. They already drank the Kook-Aid and there ain’t no goin’ back.
Well...get it right Mr. PhD. It would have been vitamin D, not vitamin C. And by the way, the focus should have been on therapeutics, not a "vaccine" for a coronavirus.Classic. Weren’t you one of those twats touting ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine and vitamin C? You wouldn’t know a study if it fell on your head.
Remember how this thread was titled if you could live anywhere?
Exhibit A on why I am glad I don't live in the US anymore and got the F outta dodge.
Its Covid-vaccine-Trump-...covid-Antivaxer-racist 24/7
But you’re ok with him calling the Secretary of State of Georgia and asking him to find him 10,000 votes?She's not wrong. The leftists like you are obsessed with Trump. I rarely think of him and will not vote for him again unless he admits he was wrong on the jabs and the lockdowns. How is that for not loving Trump? I always put principle over any person...unlike leftists/Dims (of course their only principle that matters is power at any cost).
I enjoy a good debate/argument. Nothing wrong with that.
Enjoy living wherever you are. Disagreement is present everywhere on earth. It makes life interesting.
The irony is that the #1 threadjacking mouth breather who killed this thread upvoted your comment.Remember how this thread was titled if you could live anywhere?
Exhibit A on why I am glad I don't live in the US anymore and got the F outta dodge.
Its Covid-vaccine-Trump-...covid-Antivaxer-racist 24/7
Remember how this thread was titled if you could live anywhere?
Exhibit A on why I am glad I don't live in the US anymore and got the F outta dodge.
Its Covid-vaccine-Trump-...covid-Antivaxer-racist 24/7
The irony is that the #1 threadjacking mouth breather who killed this thread upvoted your comment.
It's not just the debate. Its the immersion in it. Its on TV 24/7. Its the constant subject of conversation.
It's who you can and cannot socialize with and be friends with or you will be labeled x.
I am old enough to remember when who one voted for is none of your beeswax. Now its neccesary to wear that badge to know where you stand so that you can be allowed or excluded from certain social circles.
I am also old enough to remember when religion and politics were a taboo discussion as it does not make for good conversation and rarely accomplishes anything...which is constantly evidenced on this bored(spelling intentional)
And once debate degenerates into name calling, it ceases to be a debate.
And the irony on top of the irony on top of the irony is you making your own contributions to the thread-jacking long before I made a peep and you began to complain.And the irony on top of that irony is that you participated in said thread-jacking
And the irony on top of the irony on top of the irony is you making your own contributions to the thread-jacking long before I made a peep and you began to complain.
“Not mad at that. Tulsi is bad ass”
“Kristi Noem is built Ford Tough”
It’s all good to you until someone posts something David Miscavige doesn’t like.
What rightwing lunachicks who give middle-aged men boners has to do with places to live I’ll never grasp. You were just as guilty of responding to off topic comments as was I.Was talking about their appearance since that was the topic at the time. And I have no idea who David is...nor do I care to.
What rightwing lunachicks who give middle-aged men boners has to do with places to live I’ll never grasp. You were just as guilty of responding to off topic comments as was I.
Yes, I do. I'm about 20 minutes from there. Pismo beach is near, and it is the only beach in California that you can still drive your car on, as well as ATV's, plus you can drive out in the sand dunes. You don't even need a 4x4 if just driving the beach/water line. A lot of RV's and trailers out there, it's like tailgating on the beach. We go there often, and my kids like to camp at the Pismo campgrounds. Downtown Pismo is a fun little beach town. The only problem with Pismo is the heavy fog at times. 15 minutes north of Pismo is another nice beach/town, Avila Beach. A much smaller beach, but it doesn't get fogged in as much. Guadalupe dunes/beach is also very close to the south, but it's more of a nature preserve area, no homes or towns/shops.
Some Monarch Dunes' residents/developers have a reputation of being snobby with the intention of shutting down vehicle access to the beach and the dunes for environmental and health reasons. Many complain about all the dust in their neighborhoods, air quality, while claiming that the vehicle use in the dunes is to blame. The thing is, the OHV park was there first and it's always been windy out there, yet the developers keep on building new homes. Regardless of all that, I don't live there or know anyone in Trilogy, but it's definitely nice, and a sought after area to live.
The town of Nipomo doesn't have too much going on as far as entertainment, or shopping, but it's nice and safe. It has a bit of a country vibe to it as far as the people go. A lot of agriculture around here.
The weather in is this region is perfect to my liking, mild summers (70-85), cool/mild winters (60-70's), and a lot of blue skies. It's easy living here.
Funny how people lost their jobs because they didn’t want to take a therapeutic that lessened symptoms
Stretch you don’t even get the irony in your post. You have already said it is ok for our representatives to speculate and have no class . It is acceptable to you . And until such bull crap that comes out of people in congress and upper levels of government , this is the new norm .Well, if you have a winner, might as well stick with it. Kinda like "Always be a good sport, be a good sport all ways".
Traitor? Really? And the evidence is.....? Oh, that's right-NONE! Come on, Ed, you should be better than that.
Morality is a dirty word, because someone figured out you could saddle it to religion and make it a political issue.
Morality is a dirty word, because someone figured out you could saddle it to religion and make it a political issue.
2 Live Crew existed and could sell their music with an explicit label and only to adults. There wasn't a radio edit of "we want some pu$$y" because everyone knew what the song was, and it was too salacious to put where 8 year olds could hear it on the radio. Now we have "wet ass pu$$y" on the radio, everyone knows what it is, and 8 year olds are making tiktoks of it.
Drug use is accepted to the point of being encouraged in CA and OR, with centers handing out kits full of paraphernalia and all the narcan you can handle, all the while turning a blind eye to the crime that almost always accompanies said drug use.
It wasn't enough to have 1st trimester abortion, the left had to push and push until the inevitable happened, and now ultra conservative states have gone full-retard.
Btw, classic that even in that video the libs are painted as victims of their own making.
Okay Ed, I guess you should have been an attorney since you have such a knack for twisting things around and claiming I said things that I didn't. First the gay thing and now you claim I said it is okay for people in Congress to not have any class. WTF?Stretch you don’t even get the irony in your post. You have already said it is ok for our representatives to speculate and have no class . It is acceptable to you . And until such bull crap that comes out of people in congress and upper levels of government , this is the new norm .
Twenty years ago you think this would be our discourse in government .
Yes Traitor Greene has every right by law to speculate on pelosis husband . Just as everyone has a right to speculate on when an athlete commits suicide and could speculate as why while not waiting for information to come out .
Let’s say there was a woman basketball player who took her own life . “Oh her gay lover dumped her and she was distraught”. Meanwhile after information comes out we find out her boyfriend found her and there was no one else . But you are right , it is ok to speculate .
So really I don’t need to be better . Better doesn’t change. This is how discourse has been normalized . Tell Trump and others to “be better” than others will follow. Until then , this is what is accepted and acceptable .
Finally, you didn't address the key pointy of my post-why do you refer to MTG as a traitor? For me, the worst three things that you can call someone are racist, child molester, and traitor. That's a pretty damn serious charge, and I have heard nothing that suggests that she is a traitor. So what evidence is there? It's one thing to refer to politicians with cute little names like GW Shrub or Nancy Pelousey, but calling a representative a traitor.....well that's pretty low.
So in other words, MTG is essentially like The Squad members? lolNot that I've been part of this but I don't think that MTG is a traitor. I think she's a gaslighting, deceitful, hateful, racist, unstable, deplorable piece of trash who sows hate and division for personal gain with no real desire to make our country a better place for all Americans....but I don't think she's a traitor.
The thing that I find amusing about people who love Trump and hate the libs is their ability to do mental gymnastics to ignore the flaws of their own team as they criticize the libs for committing less offenses. Whatabout is lazy to start with and it gets downright comical when whatabout is only important when it supports one's cause.
Hillary should be in prison and Hunter Biden should be enough to get Joe impeached, but Trump Jr takes $2 billion from the Saudis and Trump hosts their golf tournaments with future favors undoubtedly in mind and that doesn't matter because "what about" Hillary's cellphone and Biden's laptop? I don't think that liberals are blameless but god damn, it is hard to take the far right seriously when they've get their heads so far up their collective asses that they can see out their mouths.
Again Stretch...you don't even see the irony in your post.Okay Ed, I guess you should have been an attorney since you have such a knack for twisting things around and claiming I said things that I didn't. First the gay thing and now you claim I said it is okay for people in Congress to not have any class. WTF?
I'm not going to tell Trump anything. First because I won't ever meet him and second because he doesn't give a shit what I think or want him to do. I am not a Trump lover, but I liked how he wanted to shake things up back in 2015/16. However, even then I didn't care for how he went about attacking some people.
I don't really care for a lot of "whataboutism", but sometimes it is necessary. Bush was called some nasty things, Obama insulted large portions of the population, Hillary had her basket of deplorables, Harry Reid lied about Romney on the Senate floor, Pelosi ripped up Trump's SOTU speech and then lied about it saying there wasn't a single truthful thing in it, Schiff/Swalwell kept lying about the Russian collusion and impeachment evidence, and so on. And our current president has called conservatives names also, so maybe he needs to set a better example from the top. Both sides have done plenty of crap and NO, I don't like it. Know what I would like to see- I would like it if both chambers had to take an oath to tell the truth every day, and if it is shown that they lied they would be subject to discipline.
I have no idea what you are trying to say about suicides and gay lovers. But if you are concerned about people speculating and spreading misinformation, you must be positively apoplectic about ABC/NBC/CBS/NPR/CNN/MSNBC/etc speculating and talking about false things like Russian collusion, hands up/don't shoot, Russian army bounties, Kavanaugh accusers, Duke lacross players, immigration cages, 51 intel liars, GA voter suppression, and so on.
Finally, you didn't address the key pointy of my post-why do you refer to MTG as a traitor? For me, the worst three things that you can call someone are racist, child molester, and traitor. That's a pretty damn serious charge, and I have heard nothing that suggests that she is a traitor. So what evidence is there? It's one thing to refer to politicians with cute little names like GW Shrub or Nancy Pelousey, but calling a representative a traitor.....well that's pretty low.
Geezus Christ. I think it's time to end this thread. Y'all are getting pretty fired upSo in other words, MTG is essentially like The Squad members? lol
I try not to do a whole lot of whataboutism, and when I do it is just to point out that both sides do it, not to justify it being done by my guy or gal. I still would rather see much better behavior out of everyone.
So in other words, MTG is essentially like The Squad members? lol
I try not to do a whole lot of whataboutism, and when I do it is just to point out that both sides do it, not to justify it being done by my guy or gal. I still would rather see much better behavior out of everyone.