Just ridiculous

[mikalalas]

NO, I am not saying to NOT wear a mask.

Questions aside as to whether Mask are bad or not, effective or not(there are a lot of doctors, science, studies, info, that says their not effective, and are bad, and there are other doctors, science, studies, saying they are good,etc)

Wearing a mask might probably be good, can, might probably should be a law in places like YAKIMA, SEATTLE, SPOKANE.

NOT IN PLACES LIKE LINCOLN COUNTY, where for most to almost all this time there was only 1,2,3,4 covid cases, which spiked up to 7 to 13 cases, where the nearest person is 1 mile away.

So NO I am not crying about wearing a mask.

I wear a mask. I have no problem wearing a mask in Spokane.

I do have a problem wearing a mask in the middle of nowhere in Lincoln County.

Also Like I said, Yakima, Seattle, Tri Cities, Spokane, Lincoln County, and other Counties, cities, KNOWS WHATS BEST FOR THEIR CITIES, COUNTIES.

They dont need some President, Trump, KIng Inslee, Congress, Governors, telling them what to do.

County Commisioners, Leaders, Mayors, City Councils are perfectly able to govern themselves.

As evidenced by Yakima County passing the same laws King Inslee DICTATED, BEFORE King Inslee passed, dictated those laws.

So Yakima County didnt need King Inslee to pass, dictate the law to them.

1 Size fits all approach by whether Trump, Inslee, Governors, Congress, etc, DOES NOT WORK

Inslee forcing Lincoln County to follow the same rules, laws, regarding covid as Yakima is BEYOND STUPID, and is 1 size fits all, and is stepping on the toes of County, City leaders who know better then Inslee what their counties, cities need.

 

[Coug90]

Off the top of my head, send kids back to school and quarantine old people.

Crazy, I know to have the least probable at risk demographic resume ‘life”. And keep those susceptible sheltered in place.

K I’m not trying to start stuff but didn’t a college football player just die from Covid (obligatory allegedly...). Now, I don’t have the best memory but I don’t remember hearing of any cfb players dying from the flu or the sniffles the last several years (and instant news wasn’t just created this year even though it feels like it, so think I would have remembered something like that). I get that older folks are at more risk but when you are talking liability...one kid is all it takes.

 

[CougEd]

Feel free to post your alternate solutions. Or do you just want to live in "We can't do this land" and spend the remainder of your life indoors? I don't. Enough with pandering to the 5% on either end of the spectrum - all your what if's disregard 90%+ of people to whom they don't apply.

Status quo is going to get your to all your worst-case what-ifs eventually. Why take the rest of the country down with you?

There are those who lived in exception world on every single idea ever presented to mankind. Thank god real 'progressives' don't. They look to innovate and get out of whatever crap situation they are mired in.

11.....First...did you tie in how the election changes things? You believe once the election is over things are open business as usual in December? Do you believe the malls are going to be above 50% of pre covid? Do you think the stadiums will be above 50% precovid? Schools, health clubs? Hell our health club is probably at 15% capacity of how many people go in normal times. Until there is a proven vaccine, business will remain way down.

 

[mikalalas]

11.....First...did you tie in how the election changes things? You believe once the election is over things are open business as usual in December? Do you believe the malls are going to be above 50% of pre covid? Do you think the stadiums will be above 50% precovid? Schools, health clubs? Hell our health club is probably at 15% capacity of how many people go in normal times. Until there is a proven vaccine, business will remain way down.

Ed, of course those things are going to be DOWN.

And they are down due to Covid and a thing called the FREE MARKET.

The Free Market is where something, Covid, etc, can cause the Market to go down.

That is caused by that, those things, not King Inslee or King Newsome Dictating it.

Let the Market Govern Itself. If something is wrong the Market will react accordingly.

There is no need for King Inslee, King Newsome to Dictate that the Market close down.

Also say the Market would go down by say 33% to 50% because of Covid.

If King Inslee Shuts down the market, thats worse, it would be 75% to 93% of the Market shutting down, instead of 33% to 67% of the Market Shutting down.

Its almost always worse when a Leader shuts down the Market, then when the Market self regulates, and shuts down.

And Also there is no need for the Market to either self regulate, shut down, or be shut down by a leader.

The solution is as simple as Observer said it is:

Open things up to those who are either not at risk, less risk, and lock down those at high, higher risk.

The reason why the Market is not self regulating doing that, is because of FEAR, SCARE TACTICS, MEDIA, INSLEE, MISINFORMATION, ETC.

If you shut down Inslee, Media, etc, there is LESS FEAR, and the Market would react accordingly, self regulate, open up more, and more people would participate in the Market.

Inslee needs to SHUT THE F UP, and STOP interfering with the Market, Open things up, Stop interfering with rights, etc.

If he does that, the Market will be ok, despite Covid.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

K I’m not trying to start stuff but didn’t a college football player just die from Covid (obligatory allegedly...). Now, I don’t have the best memory but I don’t remember hearing of any cfb players dying from the flu or the sniffles the last several years (and instant news wasn’t just created this year even though it feels like it, so think I would have remembered something like that). I get that older folks are at more risk but when you are talking liability...one kid is all it takes.

So, here's the deal.

I just googled it and until there is an official autopsy AND the family releases it, its all hearsay.

Second - would this young man have been any safer staying at home or in any other environment? That is to say, would he have been practicing social distancing, washing his hands, mask, etc? Who knows? My estimation that being in the general population on a daily basis is much more risky than being around the same 60 guys day after day, but I'm just a schmoe on the internet, so take that with a grain of salt.

 

[Coug90]

So, here's the deal.

I just googled it and until there is an official autopsy AND the family releases it, its all hearsay.

Second - would this young man have been any safer staying at home or in any other environment? That is to say, would he have been practicing social distancing, washing his hands, mask, etc? Who knows? My estimation that being in the general population on a daily basis is much more risky than being around the same 60 guys day after day, but I'm just a schmoe on the internet, so take that with a grain of salt.

Oh yeah, I’m not saying he died playing ball. I don’t think his school was even practicing. I’m just saying he’s a young athlete and...again...“allegedly” died of COVID. I’m just saying this kid could have just as easily been playing for Clemson or LSU, and in that case it’s game over for everyone. Bottom line, young healthy people CAN die from this, so there’s still a huge risk for conferences and schools with playing ball.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

Oh yeah, I’m not saying he died playing ball. I don’t think his school was even practicing. I’m just saying he’s a young athlete and...again...“allegedly” died of COVID. I’m just saying this kid could have just as easily been playing for Clemson or LSU, and in that case it’s game over for everyone. Bottom line, young healthy people CAN die from this, so there’s still a huge risk for conferences and schools with playing ball.

I did the math a few months ago, and based on the death and infection rates of 18-24 year olds and the number of D1 players (estimated), there would be less that 1 death across the board. I might be slightly off, and tbh I'm too lazy to find the post or do the math again, but its ridiculously low.

 

[mikalalas]

Oh yeah, I’m not saying he died playing ball. I don’t think his school was even practicing. I’m just saying he’s a young athlete and...again...“allegedly” died of COVID. I’m just saying this kid could have just as easily been playing for Clemson or LSU, and in that case it’s game over for everyone. Bottom line, young healthy people CAN die from this, so there’s still a huge risk for conferences and schools with playing ball.

Yeah, and people have been hit and killed by lightning bolts too. That doesnt mean that people either dont go outside, or outside in lightning storms.

Yeah a young, healthy althlete can theoretically die of covid, just like some that have died of sickle cell.

The chance that a young, healthy athlete dies of Covid, is about, around, somewhat semi somewhat close to the odds of getting hit by lightning.

More Young Healthy Athletes die from drinking too much alcohol, car accidents, etc, then die from Covid.

Should we then stop them from drinking, smoking, driving cars, etc, too?

The death rate in the USA from Covid is:

About 5% to 10% to 15% to 20% of 300 Million, about 150,000 to 300,000 get, have gotten the virus.

About 67,000 of those get, got hospitalized.

About 13,000 have died. About a 3.3% Death Rate.

Now thats in General.

Amongst the Older Population, etc.

Its about a 20% Death rate.

Amongst the Young Healthy athletes etc.

Its about a .03% of 1% a Less then 1% Death Rate.

There are about 3000 colleges in the USA. And about 750 athletes at each college.

Thats about 300,000 athletes. 1% would be about 3000. .01% out of 300,000 would be about about 25 to 50 to 100 to 150 dieing.

And thats athletes in general.

So about 25 to 50 to 100 to 150 athletes in general would die out of 300,000.

If it was just Football. It would be about 4 to 7 to 13 football athletes dying from Covid, out of about 25,000 to 50,000 to 75,000 football players.

How many Football players die to Flu? probably 1 to 13.

How many Football players die to sickle Cell? Probably 1 to 13.

How many football players die to other diseases, etc, probably 1 to 13

How many Football players die to Alcohol, driving cars? A hell lot more then 1 to 13.

Since all these Football players die due to others things then Covid, if Covid were non existent, should we close down Colleges, Stop College Football, Stop College football players from drinking, smoking, driving, etc, just to save 50 to 500 football players?

No?

Then why should we stop College football to save 4 to 7 to 10 to 13 football players from Covid?

I understand each football player, person is a life, each is important.

But were talking extremely small out of big numbers here.

You cant, and shouldnt live in the what if world.

Newsflash People, whether football players, etc, will die whether from Covid, or anything, everything else, in such rediculously small percents like .01% of 1%, like the chance of getting killed, hit by a lightning bolt.

Yes when I step out the door a lightning bolt, or a anvil, etc, can fall from the sky, hit me on the head and Kill me.

Does that mean I should never set foot outside my door?

Similarly Yes a football player could tbeoretically have a .01 of 1% chance to be killed by Covid, etc.

Does that mean we should close College football down?

No.

Put things into PERSPECTIVE.

But INSLEE and others dont want Perspective.

They want FEAR, TO CONTROL.

 

[Observer11]

11.....First...did you tie in how the election changes things? You believe once the election is over things are open business as usual in December? Do you believe the malls are going to be above 50% of pre covid? Do you think the stadiums will be above 50% precovid? Schools, health clubs? Hell our health club is probably at 15% capacity of how many people go in normal times. Until there is a proven vaccine, business will remain way down.

No - business as usual set sail in about Mid May when businesses started tipping over. People have changed their behaviors and habits. Many businesses and activities have forever been altered. I do believe the market will eventually replace them with something else - but only if allowed to grow organically. Americans are innovators and they'll figure it out on their own. Always have.

My point is opening things up give people a chance to bounce back -whether that means new ventures, moving to different jobs, whatever. Keeping them locked up is just a slow drain on the government teet and dependence on the brilliance of the Jay Inslees of the world. No thanks. I like my chances of success based on my own efforts rather than what Gov. Apple Maggot deems is acceptable.

 

[CougEd]

No - business as usual set sail in about Mid May when businesses started tipping over. People have changed their behaviors and habits. Many businesses and activities have forever been altered. I do believe the market will eventually replace them with something else - but only if allowed to grow organically. Americans are innovators and they'll figure it out on their own. Always have.

My point is opening things up give people a chance to bounce back -whether that means new ventures, moving to different jobs, whatever. Keeping them locked up is just a slow drain on the government teet and dependence on the brilliance of the Jay Inslees of the world. No thanks. I like my chances of success based on my own efforts rather than what Gov. Apple Maggot deems is acceptable.

First, who took PPP money and is sucking off the "teet" as you say? I don't remember a ton of people saying "look feds I don't want your money...that is corporate socialism". Nor do I remember anyone turning away from getting the 1000 check.

You really believe business is back as usual? Not saying Inslee handle it perfect, but a lot of states went back in almost total lock down.

But be that as it may....again, not sure what the election date and data have to do with each other, if that was your comment. I could have misread what you said, but I did see lets see what happens after the election, just not sure how that plays.

 

[CougEd]

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Why do you hate Doctors Fauci and Birx? You do realize that all the "misinformation" from Trump came right from them, don't you? You do remember when Fauci said the virus was nothing to worry about, right? And I am sure you recall when Fauci said there was no reason to wear masks, correct?

Yes, I am sure you recall all those things. Come on, man-pay attention. This thing was a huge unknown, we were lied to by China to start with and the steps that China took and did not take led to the spread of the virus throughout the world.

BTW, when Trump took early actions to limit people coming into the country from China and then Europe (the early hot spots) did you support him or support the likes of Biden, Pelosi, and Schumer when they castigated the president as just being a xenophobe?

Stretch there is a ton to unpack. I think Fauci explained why he said masks were not important initially. It had to do with a run on masks. But even if the data and information changed, he said wear masks.

Second, no one says the virus is Trumps fault. He has failed in leadership. He knew in January how serious this was. It would be akin to someone going to the doctor, and they tell you everything is alright because they didn't want the patient to worry and the patient dies of cancer 7 months later. Could you imagine in 1941 if Roosevelt said "Japan accidentally dropped a bomb on one of our ships in Pearl. I have a great relationship with the Japanese emperor, he has it under control. We have the best people putting out the fire on the USS Arizona, and it should be put out by tomorrow. Right now there are five people on the boat, and that soon will be one. Then none?

Trump could have closed down our borders earlier. First, who gives a sh!t what Schumer and Pelosi think. A leader does what they have to do to protect our citizenry. HE has more information. Clearly by what he told Woodward he knew exactly how deadly the virus was going to be, and yet he claimed Xi (who lied) he had a good relationship with and had it under control. Then he lied to us.

 

[Observer11]

First, who took PPP money and is sucking off the "teet" as you say? I don't remember a ton of people saying "look feds I don't want your money...that is corporate socialism". Nor do I remember anyone turning away from getting the 1000 check.

You really believe business is back as usual? Not saying Inslee handle it perfect, but a lot of states went back in almost total lock down.

But be that as it may....again, not sure what the election date and data have to do with each other, if that was your comment. I could have misread what you said, but I did see lets see what happens after the election, just not sure how that plays.

"Business as usual set sail in mid-May". No. Business isn't usual. And the freedom to conduct business isn't usual. Nothing is usual.

It needs to get back to 'usual', like, yesterday. It's probably going to be after the election when people can again conduct their business in the manner they see fit. Or they will move to where they can conduct their business in the manner they see fit.

Inslee is a disaster. His tone-deafness towards Eastern Washington this week in Malden and Brewster are unconsciounable. His unattainable numbers and shifting goalposts from 'keep medical facilities from being overwhelmed' to 'flattening the curve' to 'cure/vaccine' are unforgivable.

The 7 day average of hospitalizations in King County right now is 1.

COVID-19 summary - King County, Washington

This page shows the latest COVID-19 metrics for King County, Washington.

www.kingcounty.gov

Open it up.

 

[dgibbons]

Stretch there is a ton to unpack. I think Fauci explained why he said masks were not important initially. It had to do with a run on masks. But even if the data and information changed, he said wear masks.

Second, no one says the virus is Trumps fault. He has failed in leadership. He knew in January how serious this was. It would be akin to someone going to the doctor, and they tell you everything is alright because they didn't want the patient to worry and the patient dies of cancer 7 months later. Could you imagine in 1941 if Roosevelt said "Japan accidentally dropped a bomb on one of our ships in Pearl. I have a great relationship with the Japanese emperor, he has it under control. We have the best people putting out the fire on the USS Arizona, and it should be put out by tomorrow. Right now there are five people on the boat, and that soon will be one. Then none?

Trump could have closed down our borders earlier. First, who gives a sh!t what Schumer and Pelosi think. A leader does what they have to do to protect our citizenry. HE has more information. Clearly by what he told Woodward he knew exactly how deadly the virus was going to be, and yet he claimed Xi (who lied) he had a good relationship with and had it under control. Then he lied to us.

This is typical TDS stuff. I don't even like Trump. He closes travel to China and racist, now he should have done it sooner. Having it both ways.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

This is typical TDS stuff. I don't even like Trump. He closes travel to China and racist, now he should have done it sooner. Having it both ways.

Trump HAS to be racist so that the 50MM Americans who voted for them can be labeled racist and the narrative that racism is alive and well in the US can be maintained.

 

[Observer11]

Trump is an asshat. But at least he’s our asshat. (Weird, we had a coach like that....)

Who knows whose asshat Biden is?

We know whose asshat his son Hunter belongs to. They wrote copious amounts of checks to him. Presumably Hunter was smart and got the money in $USD, not yuan.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

Trump is an asshat. But at least he’s our asshat. (Weird, we had a coach like that....)

Who knows whose asshat Biden is?

We know whose asshat his son Hunter belongs to. They wrote copious amounts of checks to him. Presumably Hunter was smart and got the money in $USD, not yuan.

TBH, idgaf about their cronyism and nepotism - Biden's not the first and sure as hell won't be the last. (I mean, I do care but in the grand scheme there are much bigger fish to fry.)

I'd prefer Hillary have gotten actual consideration for her negligence and then lying about Benghazi. Or conducting WH business from her personal computer. Or Biden's very legitimate sexual misconduct allegation(s). Or his constant racism (the clips are out there.)

 

[M-I-Coug]

"Business as usual set sail in mid-May". No. Business isn't usual. And the freedom to conduct business isn't usual. Nothing is usual.

It needs to get back to 'usual', like, yesterday. It's probably going to be after the election when people can again conduct their business in the manner they see fit. Or they will move to where they can conduct their business in the manner they see fit.

Inslee is a disaster. His tone-deafness towards Eastern Washington this week in Malden and Brewster are unconsciounable. His unattainable numbers and shifting goalposts from 'keep medical facilities from being overwhelmed' to 'flattening the curve' to 'cure/vaccine' are unforgivable.

The 7 day average of hospitalizations in King County right now is 1.

COVID-19 summary - King County, Washington

This page shows the latest COVID-19 metrics for King County, Washington.

www.kingcounty.gov

Open it up.

The rate of COVID in California is 1/100 of 1% of 40,000,000 people.

1/100 of 1%.

 

[Observer11]

The rate of COVID in California is 1/100 of 1% of 40,000,000 people.

1/100 of 1%.

Infidel! IP addressed logged and noted.

 

[CougEd]

"Business as usual set sail in mid-May". No. Business isn't usual. And the freedom to conduct business isn't usual. Nothing is usual.

It needs to get back to 'usual', like, yesterday. It's probably going to be after the election when people can again conduct their business in the manner they see fit. Or they will move to where they can conduct their business in the manner they see fit.

Inslee is a disaster. His tone-deafness towards Eastern Washington this week in Malden and Brewster are unconsciounable. His unattainable numbers and shifting goalposts from 'keep medical facilities from being overwhelmed' to 'flattening the curve' to 'cure/vaccine' are unforgivable.

The 7 day average of hospitalizations in King County right now is 1.

COVID-19 summary - King County, Washington

This page shows the latest COVID-19 metrics for King County, Washington.

www.kingcounty.gov

Open it up.

You still have not connected why the election date is so important? Do you think Inlsee is holding back on some communities to get re-elected?

And again, getting back to normal doesn't happen until a proven vaccine. My daughter has former AAU teammates who went to U of A. They all live in the same rental. Two went to a party. Three in the house have covid. Two no long term stuff, the third struggling a little bit.

WSU would still be more than half empty if it was a free for all. So the market tends to lean more the way Inslee leans. Whether we like it or not.

 

[Observer11]

You still have not connected why the election date is so important? Do you think Inlsee is holding back on some communities to get re-elected?

And again, getting back to normal doesn't happen until a proven vaccine. My daughter has former AAU teammates who went to U of A. They all live in the same rental. Two went to a party. Three in the house have covid. Two no long term stuff, the third struggling a little bit.

WSU would still be more than half empty if it was a free for all. So the market tends to lean more the way Inslee leans. Whether we like it or not.

Yup. The numbers don't justify the response at this point.

Some will get sick. Some will get really sick. Some will die. That's the nature of living.

As as MI noted -1/100th of 1%....

 

[CougEd]

Yup. The numbers don't justify the response at this point.

Some will get sick. Some will get really sick. Some will die. That's the nature of living.

As as MI noted -1/100th of 1%....

I will ask one last time...What does the election have to do with anything.

 

[CougEd]

This is typical TDS stuff. I don't even like Trump. He closes travel to China and racist, now he should have done it sooner. Having it both ways.

Ummm...what is TDS? Second...I said he could have. And that could have be using a smidge of hindsight. It also could be argued all our boarders should have been sealed the minute the National Security Advisor told him this is the most serious threat to our national security.

But if he closed down earlier to China that would have saved lives. (Again, may be in hindsight so I don't have strong feelings about him not doing it) But I will promise you telling everyone nothing to see here and outwardly lying about the severity (not China closure) is a totally negligent as a leader. So not TDS

 

[CougEd]

Yup. The numbers don't justify the response at this point.

Some will get sick. Some will get really sick. Some will die. That's the nature of living.

As as MI noted -1/100th of 1%....

Show me the nature of living where this is "just the nature of living". The only real example is over 100 years ago. And we know it came back with a vengeance. More people died in 9 months than died in WW1 and Vietnam. How many deaths could have been avoidable?

Seriously, let's just say a mask helps reduce it by 30%....is that such a huge thing to ask to get back to normal. I was in Chelan last month, went into the parts store, a guy behind the counter refused to wear a mask. When I saw that I simply shook my head. That MAY be the way that store stays open, along with other businesses. Not sure why I care more that he works than he does. Anyway, left my purchase on the counter and decided to take my biz elsewhere.

 

[dgibbons]

Ummm...what is TDS? Second...I said he could have. And that could have be using a smidge of hindsight. It also could be argued all our boarders should have been sealed the minute the National Security Advisor told him this is the most serious threat to our national security.

But if he closed down earlier to China that would have saved lives. (Again, may be in hindsight so I don't have strong feelings about him not doing it) But I will promise you telling everyone nothing to see here and outwardly lying about the severity (not China closure) is a totally negligent as a leader. So not TDS

Use Google.

 

[Observer11]

I will ask one last time...What does the election have to do with anything.

Really? More ammo to throw at the mean orange man that he didn't do enough (though shut down international travel and was called a xenophobe and a racist). Play that tune for as long as possible. Big chunk of people can't or won't do math.

There's no other logical explanation for the actions of the governors. 1/100% of 1%. It's political at this stage. I quit believing the 'public health and science' mumbo jumbo the day they mothballed the field hospital. If this is that big of a risk, the bodies would be stacked from here to eternity and hospital beds would be more valuable than diamonds.

There's no body stacks and plenty of medical facilities. Has never been an issue.

 

[Observer11]

Show me the nature of living where this is "just the nature of living". The only real example is over 100 years ago. And we know it came back with a vengeance. More people died in 9 months than died in WW1 and Vietnam. How many deaths could have been avoidable?

Seriously, let's just say a mask helps reduce it by 30%....is that such a huge thing to ask to get back to normal. I was in Chelan last month, went into the parts store, a guy behind the counter refused to wear a mask. When I saw that I simply shook my head. That MAY be the way that store stays open, along with other businesses. Not sure why I care more that he works than he does. Anyway, left my purchase on the counter and decided to take my biz elsewhere.

Medical science, nutrition, sanitation and health have improved just a tad since 1918. Smallpox killed tens of millions too. It essentially doesn't exist.

I've spent most of the summer in N. Idaho. Restaurants, bars, stores all open for business. Kootenai Medical Center is doing just fine - plenty of room. If a person has a mask on, that's their call. If they don't have a mask on, nobody hassles them - that includes both patrons and business owners.

It's actually quite nice. You should write some mortgages there - lord knows the W. Washingtonians and Californians are FLOCKING in. Nice little place around the corner from mine for a mere $30 Million. Could probably beat him down to $29M.

 

[CougEd]

Really? More ammo to throw at the mean orange man that he didn't do enough (though shut down international travel and was called a xenophobe and a racist). Play that tune for as long as possible. Big chunk of people can't or won't do math.

There's no other logical explanation for the actions of the governors. 1/100% of 1%. It's political at this stage. I quit believing the 'public health and science' mumbo jumbo the day they mothballed the field hospital. If this is that big of a risk, the bodies would be stacked from here to eternity and hospital beds would be more valuable than diamonds.

There's no body stacks and plenty of medical facilities. Has never been an issue.

Ok...I suppose I need to make myself more clear.

I said people could say he should have said he close down all borders earlier. And I don't deny that is with perfect 20/20 hindsight and I am not totally privy to what advice he was given and when he was given advice to shut down travel with China. Please make sure you read what I am saying correctly. IN HINDSIGHT if he handled it in an A fashion versus a B fashion he would have shut down the borders early. If he shut down the borders when his advisors told him, listen to the professionals then he should get an A. Now if in 8 years and we have something similar and we dont shut down the borders immediately, then the President at that time gets an F.

Trumps failure is the downplaying of the seriousness. Telling the nation we have five cases and soon to have one. Not taking every precaution from that moment on. Banking on light bulbs up the a$$ versus other forms or remediation is what is a failure on his part. Not telling the truth is a failure on his part.

Now it has been four times, not sure why you just don't tell me the political nature of the decisions being made and how they will be elevated on November 5th.

And to your point about Eastern Washington, eastern Washington's political interest has always been different than Western Washington. And I don't say the following because I live in Western Washington, but rather having gone to school in Eastern Washington is that either Eastern Washington needs to be its own state or it needs to merge with Idaho for voting reasons.

You have called it political but for what reason.

 

[NMBRCRNCHR]

Ok...I suppose I need to make myself more clear.

I said people could say he should have said he close down all borders earlier. And I don't deny that is with perfect 20/20 hindsight and I am not totally privy to what advice he was given and when he was given advice to shut down travel with China. Please make sure you read what I am saying correctly. IN HINDSIGHT if he handled it in an A fashion versus a B fashion he would have shut down the borders early. If he shut down the borders when his advisors told him, listen to the professionals then he should get an A. Now if in 8 years and we have something similar and we dont shut down the borders immediately, then the President at that time gets an F.\

You bet your Cougar Cuddly, that as soon as Trump ordered the borders closed, another round of impeachment inquiries would have been started up, with folks crying King trump and Fascist!

 

[Observer11]

Ok...I suppose I need to make myself more clear.

I said people could say he should have said he close down all borders earlier. And I don't deny that is with perfect 20/20 hindsight and I am not totally privy to what advice he was given and when he was given advice to shut down travel with China. Please make sure you read what I am saying correctly. IN HINDSIGHT if he handled it in an A fashion versus a B fashion he would have shut down the borders early. If he shut down the borders when his advisors told him, listen to the professionals then he should get an A. Now if in 8 years and we have something similar and we dont shut down the borders immediately, then the President at that time gets an F.

Trumps failure is the downplaying of the seriousness. Telling the nation we have five cases and soon to have one. Not taking every precaution from that moment on. Banking on light bulbs up the a$$ versus other forms or remediation is what is a failure on his part. Not telling the truth is a failure on his part.

Now it has been four times, not sure why you just don't tell me the political nature of the decisions being made and how they will be elevated on November 5th.

And to your point about Eastern Washington, eastern Washington's political interest has always been different than Western Washington. And I don't say the following because I live in Western Washington, but rather having gone to school in Eastern Washington is that either Eastern Washington needs to be its own state or it needs to merge with Idaho for voting reasons.

You have called it political but for what reason.

I answered. There is no other logical reason than political. The numbers don't support this.

 

[CougEd]

I answered. There is no other logical reason than political. The numbers don't support this.

Actually you didn't . You use the word political but being political there has to be an advantage. That is like someone saying the reason you supported Wulff was political.

 

[CougEd]

You bet your Cougar Cuddly, that as soon as Trump ordered the borders closed, another round of impeachment inquiries would have been started up, with folks crying King trump and Fascist!

That is how you govern...worried about what people will say?. FDR locked up people of Japanese heritage. Yes, I am sure that is what Trump was worried about what others think. I wish he was more worried what people would think by down playing a serious situation.

 

[FnuLnu]

Actually you didn't . You use the word political but being political there has to be an advantage. That is like someone saying the reason you supported Wulff was political.

If the 2007 EWU coach with zero FBS coaching experience & under NCAA investigation was black and the 2007 OU offensive coordinator was white who does Jim Walden & Jim Sterk select?

 

[dgibbons]

That is how you govern...worried about what people will say?. FDR locked up people of Japanese heritage. Yes, I am sure that is what Trump was worried about what others think. I wish he was more worried what people would think by down playing a serious situation.

So I guessCougEd didn’t notice all the gestapo nonsense, stay out, etc. when Trump sent federal agents to protect the federal building in Portland.

 

[mikalalas]

So I guessCougEd didn’t notice all the gestapo nonsense, stay out, etc. when Trump sent federal agents to protect the federal building in Portland.

While I agree with both Ed, that Trump could have done more, etc, and while I agree with you, others that Trump would have likely bern impeached, called a racist, fascist, been sued, had activist, legislative Judges overrule, stop him from doing more.

And while Trump is a Bi Polar President that has done both some extremely awesome things, and some BAD things.

Despite that, I take Umbrage with you or anybody else that defends what Trump did in Portland.

Yes Trump may have had good intentions in, about Portland.

Yes Trump does care about stopping the rioters, looters, etc.

But the methodology, way he did it was WRONG.

Also he Trump cant seem to recognize the difference between PROTESTOR, AND RIOTER, LOOTER.

And that is evidenced by what Trump did to the DC PROTESTORS(Not Rioters, etc), just for a PHOTO OP in front of a church).

And in what he did in Portland.

What did he do in Portland that was so bad you might ask?

1. Trump sent AGENTS, FBI, Secret Service, NSA, National Guard, the RESERVE(Unconstitutional(cant send militiary reservist to police, exception is if Congress authorizes president to do that thru Declaration of War, because invaded(like back in WW2)

2. In Portland there was some PREGNANT WOMEN who were PEACEFULLY protesting. Non Violent. No Threats, Weren't rioting, burning, looting, stealing, etc.

Trumps Gestapo(Er Agents) showed up and started beating the Pregnant Women up, etc.

A RETIRED NAVAL OFFICER THAT GRADUATED FROM THE NAVAL ACADEMY, witnessed it.

From about 17 yards away, he ASKED why the Agents were BREAKING THEIR OATH TO DEFEND the Constitution?

The Agents didnt answer.

Instead they went over, and started beating him up too.

They Broke 2,3 of his fingers, and he had to be Hospitalized.

I read, saw, heard about it either on CNN, Seattle Times, Spokemans Review, Fox, ABC, NBC, CBS, AKA MAIN STREAM NEWS, FROM MULTIPLE SOURCES.

I wish I had a link, or could remember the Naval Vet's name.

Also various Mayors, Governors called Trump out over what he did in Portland, and mentioned this.

And instead of Apologizing, etc, like he should have, he did the typical trump thing of Denying it, and Doubling Down on that.

So dont even try to defend Trump on what he Trump an his AGENTS did in Portland.

I am a equal opportunity defender, basher, no matter whether Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama, Trump.

Trump has done some AWESOME THINGS.

Portland is NOT one of them.

 

[CougEd]

If the 2007 EWU coach with zero FBS coaching experience & under NCAA investigation was black and the 2007 OU offensive coordinator was white who does Jim Walden & Jim Sterk select?

So I guessCougEd didn’t notice all the gestapo nonsense, stay out, etc. when Trump sent federal agents to protect the federal building in Portland.

You sort of made my point. Thank you....

 

[CougEd]

If the 2007 EWU coach with zero FBS coaching experience & under NCAA investigation was black and the 2007 OU offensive coordinator was white who does Jim Walden & Jim Sterk select?

Well let’s have a moment of honesty here... first out the right people in the room making decisions . Sterk Moos and Floyd . If Sumlin was a former player, and that is what the school determined they needed was someone with ties to the school no doubt those three would have zero problem with Sumlin even under investigation.

And not even sure those two were the first choice but rather Jim McIllwaine. Turned down the gig because after paying the first 6 people on his staff his budget left him 45 k for three positions.

 

[dgibbons]

You sort of made my point. Thank you....

It’s humorous that you think you had a point.

 

[CougEd]

It’s humorous that you think you had a point.

I didn't until you made it.

 

[dgibbons]

I didn't until you made it.

The TDS is showing.

 

[CougEd]

The TDS is showing.

I have TDS for pointing out he lacked leadership in most important issue of his tenure?

I won’t lie I am not enthralled with watching his his realty show where the US citizens are unwilling and willing participants , not sure why the comment he has done a horrible job with the pandemic .

But you kindly pointed out he did what he wanted to do on Portland despite the potential political fallout and the noise that would come from pelosi and Schumer .