Ohh...I'm just having a little fun. I didn't say anything mean spirited.
I sent my brother the same joke...thought it was pretty funny
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I sent my brother the same joke...thought it was pretty funny
But man, that's the stuff I thought was obvious I was trying to avoid. Have fun with Wulffui, Biggs, Yaki, I don't know whom else. Your humor sucks on this one. Sometimes I do truly laugh at your posts but this one… it's a 9 page joke… That doesn't make it a joke. It makes it a community eye roll.
Coming from the same guy who was projecting memories from his Walmart childhood on me and Ed. If you live in a glass house, you shouldn't throw stones.
Maybe if only there was a place..that studied the flu...and cognitive performance...
The participants with colds reported less alertness, more negative moods and sluggish thinking. A second round of tests showed they also had slower reaction times
"Research suggests that cold viruses cause sluggishness by interfering with neurotransmitters, perhaps affecting the transmission of noradrenaline, choline and dopamine. Noradrenaline is associated with reaction times."
Previous studies have found that cognitive impairment can occur for people with infections from cold viruses even if they have no physical symptoms and that their decline in alertness can have serious consequences.
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The participants with colds reported less alertness, more negative moods and sluggish thinking. A second round of tests showed they also had slower reaction times
"Research suggests that cold viruses cause sluggishness by interfering with neurotransmitters, perhaps affecting the transmission of noradrenaline, choline and dopamine. Noradrenaline is associated with reaction times."
Previous studies have found that cognitive impairment can occur for people with infections from cold viruses even if they have no physical symptoms and that their decline in alertness can have serious consequences.
Reference here
CP...if that injury happened when Tuel was a freshman, I would agree with you. But you have an experienced QB, the leader of your team. A QB is taught never take that kid of hit in the in the open field, especially when you are six inches from the sideline. It is QB 101.
And I don't mean to speak for CP, but IMHO, you are correct. That IS QB 101… Yet he didn't do it… And he had the flu… Why would someone just not do something so basic? MAYBE because he had the flu!? If we are still approaching the concept that the flu doesn't affect you mentally, Tron and CP have cited websites. We can find more. The studies are overwhelming on the affects mentally. So you can still go back and argue that he was "cleared". You can argue every coach does it. You can argue that CML would have done it. Whatever. But for me, the only point in this whole thread that I have skin in the game on… The flu affects you mentally, it affects your decision making. It literally swells the brain!!! That's all I'M saying.
The link below is a great article that is easily applicable to the very argument on this thread, though. How a cold or flu can cripple your spatial awareness due to the inflammation of the brain caused by the cold or flu… If we need to continue the scientific fact that the flu affects you mentally, we can. Just let me know if you need more links.
http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20140025194253.shtml
Well maybe our medical staff should read that
95...I do have to ask. What are the side effects of Toradol? Med staff shoot these players up all the time. I read an article about the NFL, and a player is quoted as saying "remember the first day of rookie training camp because that is the last day you will ever be 100% healthy. Players play all the time on pain killers, which numbs the pain and some of the side affects are nausea, not being as alert. This happens all the time and they play. They play in blowouts, they play in championship games. Not once have I seen early in the 1st quarter a QB who had the ability to run out of bounds, who has been trained to do so all of a sudden had a lack of clarity because they were sick and nauseous which caused fatigue and poor decision making. Russell Wilson could be drunker than a skunk and he would run out of bounds.
You can rewrite the same sentence for people who take Toradol couldn't you? Players aere shot up with it all the time.
Again, missing the point… I've been trying to separate myself from the others. I don't care if it's done all the time. If I had all the facts, I'm sure there are times I'd be OK with it. There are other times that I'd guess I wouldn't be OK with it.
The thread you are trying to split here, is very much like some religious faiths. Example: Caffeine for the Mormons is "frowned on" because it affects you. Wine, in many faiths is "frowned on" because it affects you… Basically you, and God, aren't in control, the substance is, whether it's caffeine or alcohol or drugs or whatever.
Like I said above, I really don't have enough facts to judge if Tuel should have been in the game. I would lean to the side that, because it was Idaho State, we were ahead, we had a competent backup, Tuel didn't even start in the first place because he was so sick, which leads me to the fact he had the flu and the affects that has... all these things that are public… I'd probably say he shouldn't have been in the game. But again, I don't know all the facts.
I just am pointing out how outrageous the concept is that the flu doesn't affect a person mentally. It CERTAINLY does.
Got you. As I have said before the FAN in me agrees with you 100%. We have a 14 point lead in the first quarter against a FCS opponent. But just knowing some coaches I have met over the years you don't play into the hands of the level of you opponent. And certainly no game is won or lost, unless you are the 08 Cougs, in the first quarter.
As to seeing the flu or other ailments play into the mental aspect of the game, we have seen players with concussion stand up right and function. I personally think it is suspect to think in the very early part of the game where he was cleared to play and was mentally alert enough for the docs that he would just forget to run out of bounds. It is far more likely the adrenaline took over and he simply didn't play it smart.
Washington State 23, Idaho State 0 (E1)
I'm sorry, that wasn't a win after one. A winless Big Sky team- that was a win the moment the contracts were signed, and the game action prior to Tuel getting cleared was bearing that out. Yet another reason it's foolish to risk your most important player needlessly when he's clearly less than 100%.
I think there are a number of posters here who have undiagnosed viral infections.
You've got to admit that this thread is reaching epic proportions. I gave up my involvement 100's of posts ago.
What is 23-0? He entered the game when it was 14-0, so your number is not relevant.
One issue fans have bashed Wulff for was his failure to instill a killer instinct.
Imagine Leach had taken over sooner. Imagine it was his first year and he was looking for some sign of leadership from his listless, cowardly sideline. His starting young QB is now medically cleared, begging him to go in... DEMANDING... to go into the game. Leach would have put Tuel in...in.a.heartbeat!
Imagine Leach had taken over sooner. Imagine it was his first year and he was looking for some sign of leadership from his listless, cowardly sideline. His starting young QB is now medically cleared, begging him to go in... DEMANDING... to go into the game. Leach would have put Tuel in...in.a.heartbeat!
They were "listless and cowardly" up fourteen in the season opener? Make more stuff up.
I didn't confirm or deny anything. I was just admiring the perseverance. I can't say that I've ever been able to argue for 500 posts before.
Failure to instill a killer instinct????? You have to have a winning record to "instill a killer instinct"...unless of course you're talking about his own team's desire to win a game and there I'd admit he had a killer instinct. Leach would of demanded his 3rd string QB win a game against ISU....but thanks there .....for the f'n laugh.
With all due respect Fro...he would have put in his starter. There are a myriad of ways to find out. He wants his QB to have that mental toughness, to play through pain and execute the offense. He has shown he has zero regard for the score and how long he will keep his starter in. What was the reason he played Halliday through 85 passes against Oregon when the game was decided early in the 4th 62-24?
With all due respect Ed, no, he wouldn't have. Pretty sure he kept a HEALTHY Halliday in, not him with the flu. That's why you can't find ANYONE who did it the way Wulff did.
There is a much simpler explanation. The kid was probably sick of losing and wanted to set the tone for the season by not stepping out of bounds and by taking on a lb...and he probably had a ton of adrenaline going through his system.
It backfired.
While I completely agree with this, I don't know how applicable it is to this debate. If our backup QB isn't above FCS level, we're in trouble. So putting our backup QB in and keeping him in, isn't going to be lowering our level of play. To go to an extreme on this point… If we're ahead of an opponent 71-6, we shouldn't put in our 2 or 3 deep?
Regarding the flu and players with concussions "function"… I think that is where this whole portion of the debate has gotten into the weeds. It becomes so specific to his situation… I don't even know how to debate it. That's why I go to the generic: Considering all the info that is in the public eye, I really don't see why he was in. Let him suit up, puke in a bucket, celebrate after. Even if the doc cleared him. The negative's seem to outweigh the positives.
I think this is quite possible!! It's easily 1 influence. But I think there are many influences in someones life, and their individual decisions, at any given time.
Halliday never got hurt as a result against a highly ranked team. Could you imagine so many passes against OU and he never got hurt? Thanks for making a very important point. See, there's a difference between the judgement of someone who'll keep a QB in against a top 10 team and not get him hurt vs. someone who will put a sick QB in against one of the sh!tiest teams in the nation and get him drilled. The latter is the fort-ay of a former HC who'll never become a HC again. Good night folks and good luck!
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There are plenty of examples of players not playing 100%, in loads of pain, enough so they could have nausea and not be as alert as they would like to be. You can write down 1000 words, but if you were to break it down, what you are saying is the risk was not worth it and that is why you do you hate the decision. And the risks are getting injured in a meaningless game. Plenty of examples for that .
Again fro...coaches don't think that way. Fans do, they don't. And who cares if Halliday didn't get hurt against OU, it is about exposing him to that possibility in a game that was over. Just as Bill B did with Gronk when he broke an arm and the game was over. He didn't need to be on the field with three minutes left.
Since you're the one trying to impugn him by comparing him to a historic failure, why don't you ask him? Or find an example of him doing that? You haven't yet, no matter how common you claim it is. Otherwise, you should compare Wulff to other failures, not our successful current coach, who hasn't done what Wulff did with players who weren't able to start the game.
It's not like he took out the starter and then put in the backup who was suffering from the flu?? What's you're point Ed? You bring in the price of tea in China to illustrate your point?
According to Leach, the players he inherited were listless and cowardly... Or do you need a YouTube reminder (maybe he was just talking about HIS recruits?... dont know. didn't say. )
Funny how all the Leeches in this thread know exactly what Leach would have done with his starter... begging to play and medically cleared.
Here in lies YOUR problem. I am not trying to impugn Leach. You seemingly take any action in which Wulff has taken which would be considered normal in the profession and when I say that is exactly what Leach has done, that is "normal" you take it as impugning his reputation. Leach could make all the right moves at WSU and not be successful. Doesn't mean the process of fixing it step by step that his method was the wrong one. A big criticism of Wulff in 2008 and 2009 he didn't mold to the players, he didn't win the hearts and mind. When he didn't it is wrong, when Leach butted heads with willful players and didn't back done it was right. Wulff did what every coach should do, implement their system and philosophy. The results are not what we wanted, but the process was correct. So there is no impugning.
Again, Leach is cowboy strong. He has that mentality. I think you would be shocked to hear whether or not he would play Tuel, and I think you would be shocked if you would hear what he would say to him not running out of bounds.
What is actually sad, but funny, is the thread was about Leach detractors and when was the moment they knew he didn't have it. Not one person who "they" think of as detractors posted then the usual suspects turn it into when they knew a coach from four years ago didn't have it. Now some want to argue about a "normal" coaching decision that had a bad result and condemn the guy for playing him when he was cleared to play.
If you don't get in after 900 posts, it won't sink in. Who cares about Tuel not being 100%. 100% doesn't exist after training game. He was cleared by the med staff, the first game of the year. He was late to the game because the training staff was rehydrating him. What Wulff did is no more risky than what Leach or Bellichik did. The difference is Tuel didn't go out of bounds.
He called the right play at the line, he made the right move to get out of the pocket when he couldn't find the receiver, then at the 10 yard line 6 inches from being out of bounds fatigue set in from the flu and it disrupted his thinking and impaired the thought process not to get out of bounds. Got it.
See how one the description of the performance of 5 players can one day become all his players and how they were all the time??? This is a another cowardly comment.
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