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[KRUSTYtheCOUG]

If you don't believe that a person who forces out the candidate that won every Democrat primary had undercut democracy, there is nothing that can be done for you. You have been brainwashed. What you think are your own thoughts are not.

Your lame response will be that the party can do this, that or the other thing. But, of course that ignores that the primaries happened. What's truly sad is that you don't realize that by doing so (and rigging the primaries for Biden in the first place), is that the Democrats robbed the country of someone that actually could be a good candidate.

I already responded to this earlier. You either missed the post, or missed the point and are continuing with a silly and bogus argument. To save you the effort, here's my reply to your earlier comment:

Regardless of the eventually deemed irrelevant democratic primary, it was pretty clear from the lack of significant protests, lack of challengers to Harris and huge fundraising accumulated in the immediate days after Harris emerged, that the will of the democratic party base was realized.

This talk of a "coup" and disenfranchising voters is nonesense that is silly to offer as an argument.

I'll add to this that if are attempting to equate trying to overturn the election results in a presidential election (trump) with the election/selection/nomination process of a single political party (DNC) in choosing their candidate then it demonstrates how deficient your news sources and thinking are. Taihtsat

 

[dgibbons]

I already responded to this earlier. You either missed the post, or missed the point and are continuing with a silly and bogus argument. To save you the effort, here's my reply to your earlier comment:

Regardless of the eventually deemed irrelevant democratic primary, it was pretty clear from the lack of significant protests, lack of challengers to Harris and huge fundraising accumulated in the immediate days after Harris emerged, that the will of the democratic party base was realized.

This talk of a "coup" and disenfranchising voters is nonesense that is silly to offer as an argument.

I'll add to this that if are attempting to equate trying to overturn the election results in a presidential election (trump) with the election/selection/nomination process of a single political party (DNC) in choosing their candidate then it demonstrates how deficient your news sources and thinking are. Taihtsat

I get it, Manchurian Candidate. Whatever the Ds do is fine.

Why did they go through that costly hassle of primary anyway? For democracy? Would have been way more efficient for Nancy to just "suh-side" to use her word.

 

[95coug]

If you don't believe that a person who forces out the candidate that won every Democrat primary had undercut democracy, there is nothing that can be done for you. You have been brainwashed. What you think are your own thoughts are not.

Your lame response will be that the party can do this, that or the other thing. But, of course that ignores that the primaries happened. What's truly sad is that you don't realize that by doing so (and rigging the primaries for Biden in the first place), is that the Democrats robbed the country of someone that actually could be a good candidate.

In what world was Biden a good candidate?

Primaries are advisory votes on a large scale. They’re not binding, they don’t carry any sort of mandate. Parties have always been able to ignore them completely if they want to. In fact, until recently they were completely meaningless to republicans in Washington.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

I sure am looking forward to November 6th. Never in my lifetime have I seen so much lying, hatefulness, division and stupid mindedness. Predominantly on the R side, but the D's aren't immune from some of it.

 

[dgibbons]

In what world was Biden a good candidate?

Primaries are advisory votes on a large scale. They’re not binding, they don’t carry any sort of mandate. Parties have always been able to ignore them completely if they want to. In fact, until recently they were completely meaningless to republicans in Washington.

Never said he was. But he got all the votes in the primary until Pelosi decided to knee cap him.

If the Ds wanted a good candidate Pelosi should have hand picked someone else since she’s the one that gets to “suh-side.”

 

[UberCougars]

 

[KRUSTYtheCOUG]

I get it, Manchurian Candidate. Whatever the Ds do is fine.

Why did they go through that costly hassle of primary anyway? For democracy? Would have been way more efficient for Nancy to just "suh-side" to use her word.

He had all the votes because it is highly unusual to challenge a sitting president from within their own party. If they had done so, he wouldn't have received nearly as many votes. Using those vote totals as cause for claiming some sort of anti-democratic process or a "coup" is total BS

For those that believe the party covered up Biden's diminishing mental acuity, the debate and a lack of transparency prior to the primaries demonstrated this.

Maybe the 2 smartest things the biden braintrust ever did was push for a debate BEFORE the convention and then to decide to step aside for Harris. Taihtsat

 

[KRUSTYtheCOUG]

Never said he was. But he got all the votes in the primary until Pelosi decided to knee cap him.

If the Ds wanted a good candidate Pelosi should have hand picked someone else since she’s the one that gets to “suh-side.”

Why is this such an issue for you? Why would you be surprised that the speaker of the house (the one who pushes and leads legislation - in this case the party in power - would have a huge influence on who leads the party's ticket in November?

Also, as I already pointed out to you, cloony's editorial on July 10 predated all the documented action Pelosi took. She was pretty non- committal prior to that date, saying it was "the president's decision" Taihtsat

 

[Coug90]

Why is this such an issue for you? Why would you be surprised that the speaker of the house (the one who pushes and leads legislation - in this case the party in power - would have a huge influence on who leads the party's ticket in November?

Also, as I already pointed out to you, cloony's editorial on July 10 predated all the documented action Pelosi took. She was pretty non- committal prior to that date, saying it was "the president's decision" Taihtsat

Because Trump was going to beat Biden easily after that debate. Now it’s not fair.

 

[Stretch 74]

I sure am looking forward to November 6th. Never in my lifetime have I seen so much lying, hatefulness, division and stupid mindedness. Predominantly on the D side, but the R's aren't immune from some of it.

It only took a quick edit to make your post accurate. No need to thank me.

And I will opine that any party in the US continuously attacks the other parties nominee and supporters as being Nazis and fascists is in no way doing "some of it also", they are the leaders of the pack.

 

[dgibbons]

He had all the votes because it is highly unusual to challenge a sitting president from within their own party. If they had done so, he wouldn't have received nearly as many votes. Using those vote totals as cause for claiming some sort of anti-democratic process or a "coup" is total BS

For those that believe the party covered up Biden's diminishing mental acuity, the debate and a lack of transparency prior to the primaries demonstrated this.

Maybe the 2 smartest things the biden braintrust ever did was push for a debate BEFORE the convention and then to decide to step aside for Harris. Taihtsat

Manchurian Candidate- I never said there was a coup. Does this prove to you that you’ve been programmed?

 

[dgibbons]

Why is this such an issue for you? Why would you be surprised that the speaker of the house (the one who pushes and leads legislation - in this case the party in power - would have a huge influence on who leads the party's ticket in November?

Also, as I already pointed out to you, cloony's editorial on July 10 predated all the documented action Pelosi took. She was pretty non- committal prior to that date, saying it was "the president's decision" Taihtsat

Pelosi is not the Speaker of the House. I guess this dates when you received your programming.

But hey, good point. Why does Pelosi have so much power? No one outside of her district ever voted for her. But there she was, sabotaging the candidacy of the sitting president of the United States. Not very democratic.

 

[CougEd]

Pretzel logic? That's rich, coming from you!

As I have stated many times, look at the context. If Trump called up and immediately started demanding that GA took whatever actions necessary to overcome the Biden vote lead, you would have a point. When he said he just needed to find those votes after the hour long discussion, where they presented their evidence/arguments that they firmly believed were irregularities, then it is an entirely different situation.

I really, really love all your far out hypothetical questions that you always throw out there. Do you actually believe all the lies thrown out there by Kamal, MSNBC, CNN, etc? Do you actually believe that Trump (or any other president) will activate the military to ATTACK strictly peaceful protestors? That is just bizarre. But how do you define "peaceful" anyway, because that is the key to the issue. If it is truly peaceful, then Hell no you do not send in military to attack protestors. But if they are protesting peacefully like back in 2020 where there was billions in damage, buildings and neighborhoods burned, or they are breaking laws by not vacating when told to or blocking PUBLIC roadways, then I have no problem having National Guard, even enlisted military take whatever actions are needed to restore order.

Jack Smith doing his job? Yes, he is doing what he is told to do by his boss Garland and his boss Biden. All the "lawfare" unleashed on Trump is quite obviously politically motivated. Would Trump return the favor and tell the DOJ to prosecute Biden for his security violations, Hunter for his crimes, etc? I doubt very much he will. I need to remind you that he already declined to do that with Hillary, which would have been an easy case to win, and he said he is thinking about a pardon for Hunter.

Pelosi? That hag went after Trump with a vengeance. Two ridiculous impeachments, and the kangaroo court on January 6th. All those actions totally one sided, she wouldn't let the R's participate, and they did a Salem witch trial, withholding evidence that they didn't like. Evil, pathetic.

Why do you believe Kelly, guy that was fired and has an ax to grind on Trump, when five other named officials (not the typical anonymous source) all say Kelly is wrong? TDS? And what do you mean by having Trump go after someone for what they say? Have them arrested? Is saying your opinion a crime? Do you believe the ridiculous bullshit about Trump being worse than Hitler? And asking what I would do if Trump does "go after them"? WTF can I do? I guess I could agree or disagree on an internet message board, but we all know that is a pretty impotent thing to do.

While we are at it, what are YOU going to do about Biden, Harris, Obama, Schumer, Kelly, Hillary, etc all telling lies about Trump, Republican, and by inference those of us that support Trump and/or other Republicans/conservatives? They are creating a terrible division in our country, so what are YOU going to do about that?

Now I know why they call you stretch....it is amazing what you will do to defend a guy who has publicly said he will go after his political opponents. He has called them enemy of the state. He has called people wanting to come into this country "vermin", and poisoning the blood of America. I get it...you are ok with that. And you are ok with trying to defraud the people out of their vote in 2020 by attempting to get Georgia to "find 11780 votes and also coming up with the fake electors. Even on Joe Rogan's podcast he said he lost. Isn't just easier to say I am ok with all of it as I get lower taxes or whatever other angst you have?

As to your comparison to Hillary saying Russian interference cost her the election, that is true, but she still conceded Donald Trump won the electoral college. And while Mueller said he couldn't prove collusion, he did say there were 10 incidents of of obstruction.

And we do know both Donald Trump Jr and Manafort had contact with Russia and Junior said "if it is what you say it is, and it can be released in August, that would be great.

And as to the constant comparison to Hillary, maybe this will help you understand the subtle but significant difference.

Think of it as a football game, and the referee made a game altering call, or non call (like the Viking game this past weekend), or the call in 1999 when the ref said Arizona receiver Bobby Wade caught a TD over Trufant. He missed the call.

Or, the entire team of referees go into a game and decided before the game the Cougs would not beat SDSU, and when the Cougs score they will drop a flag, when SDSU needed a first down they would call and phantom hands to the face. And if that did not work they would throw out all the coaches to guarantee a win. Trump went after the structure of the system with zero proof. None.

 

[CougEd]

Jack Smith doesn’t work for the judicial system. He’s an assistant US Attorney. Not a judge. He’s part of the executive branch.

But I’ll tell you what might happen if Trump fires him- You’ll be outraged because Rachel Maddow and Joe Scarborough tell you to be outraged. You might even be so outraged that you support another impeachment that will stall anything and everything Trump wants to get through Congress for like a year while Nancy Pelosi and Adam Schiff get their sound bites on the Sunday shows. Because that’s what is important of course. Culture is wars and outrage. Then the senate will acquit him again and half of Trump’s term will be over with and the winners will be gridlock.

Or maybe Trump will just pardon himself and then you can be outraged over that.

D. Blithers, why blame Maddow or Joe S? I like Joe and watch him for his conservative fiscal views. If you want someone to blame, blame my late mother. Since her first vote in 1952, she voted Republican, but she gave me a different compass.

My disdain for Trump began long before his rhetoric. In 2023, while remodeling my house, three Trump-supporting tradespeople learned I can't stand him. When I told them I had overextended financially and they’d likely only get 10 cents on the dollar, they were shocked.
I then asked for their vote for Congress. They laughed at me. I pointed out why they’d trust a failed businessman who stiffed blue-collar workers multiple times, only to be bailed out by his father.

As for Joe S and Rachel, they aren’t to blame. My Republican mother taught me to stand up for the less fortunate and not to discriminate.
Then there are my fatherly instincts. My daughters are the age where Agent Orange would pop in a tic tac and grab her by the pussy. The man has been found liable for sexual assault. If my daughter said Trump assaulted her, I would absolutely believe her. But I know some fathers (and have read political opinions from some fathers) who would believe Don Gotti before their own daughter... "honey "define sexual assault".

Finally, the voter fraud claims, the Capitol violence, and the inhumane treatment of pet eating Haitians go against everything my mother taught me about morality.

 

[KRUSTYtheCOUG]

Manchurian Candidate- I never said there was a coup. Does this prove to you that you’ve been programmed?

Trump used the term coup. You seem to be sympathetic to the GOP argument that something nefarious happened here.

Are you saying you don't agree with their claims?

 

[KRUSTYtheCOUG]

Pelosi is not the Speaker of the House. I guess this dates when you received your programming.

But hey, good point. Why does Pelosi have so much power? No one outside of her district ever voted for her. But there she was, sabotaging the candidacy of the sitting president of the United States. Not very democratic.

Well great technical point. And true she ain't even the majority leader. But she clearly is very prominent in the leadership position.

Had Hakeem Jeffries made the push (I don't deny there was a push or pressure) it still would have been reasonable even tho (as majority leader) no one outside his district voted for him.

Your last two sentences clearly show you are very naive about national party politics.

When the party leaders "pushed" Nixon out, was that outside the bounds of democratic rules?

I get you're a trump supporter, but you should still be objective about this. Taihtsat

 

[longtimecoug]

Never said he was. But he got all the votes in the primary until Pelosi decided to knee cap him.

If the Ds wanted a good candidate Pelosi should have hand picked someone else since she’s the one that gets to “suh-side.”

what difference does it make to you? should the DNC have gottten your permission first?

 

[dgibbons]

Trump used the term coup. You seem to be sympathetic to the GOP argument that something nefarious happened here.

Are you saying you don't agree with their claims?

Your programming will probably not allow you to process this- I’m saying the democrats do not give two shits about democracy. Their rhetoric is as hypocritical as it could possibly get.

 

[dgibbons]

what difference does it make to you? should the DNC have gottten your permission first?

I’d be OK with the Ds having a better candidate. How about you? I’m tired of Trump, but Harris is Paul Wulff terrible.

 

[Coug90]

I’d be OK with the Ds having a better candidate. How about you? I’m tired of Trump, but Harris is Paul Wulff terrible.

lol at everything here. FFS be honest. You’d vote for Trump if he was running against Jesus Christ. And you’d be saying the same thing about Jesus. A pile of shit with an R next to its name is still an R and there’s still the illusion that it will be better for your checkbook in the long run. Seriously, be honest.

This argument has nothing to do with “having a better D candidate”. It’s simply that Trump was going to win with Biden on the ticket so the alternative scenario “isn’t fair”. Same bullshit as “mass voter fraud/rigged elections”.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

lol at everything here. FFS be honest. You’d vote for Trump if he was running against Jesus Christ. And you’d be saying the same thing about Jesus. A pile of shit with an R next to its name is still an R and there’s still the illusion that it will be better for your checkbook in the long run. Seriously, be honest.

This argument has nothing to do with “having a better D candidate”. It’s simply that Trump was going to win with Biden on the ticket so the alternative scenario “isn’t fair”. Same bullshit as “mass voter fraud/rigged elections”.

TDS

 

[dgibbons]

lol at everything here. FFS be honest. You’d vote for Trump if he was running against Jesus Christ. And you’d be saying the same thing about Jesus. A pile of shit with an R next to its name is still an R and there’s still the illusion that it will be better for your checkbook in the long run. Seriously, be honest.

This argument has nothing to do with “having a better D candidate”. It’s simply that Trump was going to win with Biden on the ticket so the alternative scenario “isn’t fair”. Same bullshit as “mass voter fraud/rigged elections”.

I've never voted for Trump. I've said so on this board many times.

 

[KRUSTYtheCOUG]

Your programming will probably not allow you to process this- I’m saying the democrats do not give two shits about democracy. Their rhetoric is as hypocritical as it could possibly get.

As your "programming" (or simply being deliberately obtuse) makes a false equivalency between inter-party selection processes and federal elections.

But you, being a trump supporter, MUST believe this. It's the only explanation for you parroting his and this faulty GOP argument. Taihtsat

 

[KRUSTYtheCOUG]

I've never voted for Trump. I've said so on this board many times.

So who do you support if not trump?

 

[dgibbons]

Well great technical point. And true she ain't even the majority leader. But she clearly is very prominent in the leadership position.

Had Hakeem Jeffries made the push (I don't deny there was a push or pressure) it still would have been reasonable even tho (as majority leader) no one outside his district voted for him.

Your last two sentences clearly show you are very naive about national party politics.

When the party leaders "pushed" Nixon out, was that outside the bounds of democratic rules?

I get you're a trump supporter, but you should still be objective about this. Taihtsat

This is a truly remarkable post. First, you did not know that Pelosi is now the former speaker, despite me referring to that several times, and Jeffries assuming the office nearly two years ago. Second, you want to continue this conversation despite that giant gaping hole. Third, you have the temerity to accuse anyone of naivete regarding politics despite not knowing who is the speaker of the house. Fourth, your analogy to Nixon is not even kindergarten level. Nixon was in his second term, not campaigning for president, and looking at impeachment. Biden was not looking at impeachment, and was running for a second term when Pelosi "suh-sided" to force him out, after the primaries were complete.

Maybe you're a Russian bot instead of a Manchurian Candidate.

 

[dgibbons]

So who do you support if not trump?

I've got it narrowed down to writing in you or writing in Ed. In fact, I might put you both on the ballot. Would you like President or VP?

 

[KRUSTYtheCOUG]

I've got it narrowed down to writing in you or writing in Ed. In fact, I might put you both on the ballot. Would you like President or VP?

Oh, so like you asked Willie, you're voting for someone who "has zero chance of winning"?

Or as you framed it later (swapping the candidates) that trump is opposing Harris, but you do not seem to be supporting trump...or MAYBE you do and just don't want to admit it (cowardly). Or perhaps you're a Russian bot!? Hilarious 😆

Taihtsat

 

[KRUSTYtheCOUG]

This is a truly remarkable post. First, you did not know that Pelosi is now the former speaker, despite me referring to that several times, and Jeffries assuming the office nearly two years ago. Second, you want to continue this conversation despite that giant gaping hole. Third, you have the temerity to accuse anyone of naivete regarding politics despite not knowing who is the speaker of the house. Fourth, your analogy to Nixon is not even kindergarten level. Nixon was in his second term, not campaigning for president, and looking at impeachment. Biden was not looking at impeachment, and was running for a second term when Pelosi "suh-sided" to force him out, after the primaries were complete.

Maybe you're a Russian bot instead of a Manchurian Candidate.

You keep missing the point. Inter-party politics isn't the same as national politics and elections.

True, Nixon wasn't running for re-election, but he still had nearly two years to serve. There was no guarantee he actually would have been removed. Probably but no guarantee.

And good for you savoring your point scored by my lapse in memory. You don't score often. Enjoy! 😊

 

[dgibbons]

You keep missing the point. Inter-party politics isn't the same as national politics and elections.

True, Nixon wasn't running for re-election, but he still had nearly two years to serve. There was no guarantee he actually would have been removed. Probably but no guarantee.

And good for you savoring your point scored by my lapse in memory. You don't score often. Enjoy! 😊

And you keep missing the point that it's about hypocrisy. The D party engaged in anti-democratic action, and has no ground to stand on with its "democracy" rhetoric. It's all about power. Plain and simple.

Did you enjoy the brainwashing?

 

[dgibbons]

Oh, so like you asked Willie, you're voting for someone who "has zero chance of winning"?

Or as you framed it later (swapping the candidates) that trump is opposing Harris, but you do not seem to be supporting trump...or MAYBE you do and just don't want to admit it (cowardly). Or perhaps you're a Russian bot!? Hilarious 😆

Taihtsat

I'll repeat for you- I've never voted for Trump and said so on this board many times.

I've voted for democrats before, and I would do so again if there was a worthy candidate. Harris is not.

 

[KRUSTYtheCOUG]

I'll repeat for you- I've never voted for Trump and said so on this board many times.

I've voted for democrats before, and I would do so again if there was a worthy candidate. Harris is not.

So you're not going to vote for president this year?

 

[KRUSTYtheCOUG]

And you keep missing the point that it's about hypocrisy. The D party engaged in anti-democratic action, and has no ground to stand on with its "democracy" rhetoric. It's all about power. Plain and simple.

Did you enjoy the brainwashing?

False equivalency. Taihtsat

 

[CougInSpain]

So you're not going to vote for president this year?

Why are you so obsessed with who he votes for? In WA it wouldn't matter anyways because most of the people who live here are morons including my neighbor who has a Harris/Walz sign in his yard. I asked him why he was voting for her and the response would shock even the Boogeyman, "She's not Trump"...... Yeah not really a shocker, in which I had anticipated that response and immediately laughed when he said it. Needless to say, I won't be getting the neighborly wave anytime soon whenever I see him out and about.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

I've got it narrowed down to writing in you or writing in Ed. In fact, I might put you both on the ballot. Would you like President or VP?

The VP position is not on the ballot. Hope this helps with your decision-making.

 

[dgibbons]

So you're not going to vote for president this year?

I live in Washington. My vote will not impact which candidates receives Washington's 12 votes.

 

[dgibbons]

The VP position is not on the ballot. Hope this helps with your decision-making.

If you write-in, you also write-in a VP.

 

[dgibbons]

False equivalency. Taihtsat

So, you're OK a party that operates like an organized crime family run by a person that has no position other than representing one congressional district filling the country's political discourse with self-serving, incredibly hypocritical rhetoric about democracy, and patting themselves on the back in the process.

Are you disputing you've been brainwashed?

 

[Stretch 74]

He had all the votes because it is highly unusual to challenge a sitting president from within their own party. If they had done so, he wouldn't have received nearly as many votes. Using those vote totals as cause for claiming some sort of anti-democratic process or a "coup" is total BS

For those that believe the party covered up Biden's diminishing mental acuity, the debate and a lack of transparency prior to the primaries demonstrated this.

Maybe the 2 smartest things the biden braintrust ever did was push for a debate BEFORE the convention and then to decide to step aside for Harris. Taihtsat

We have been through this before, that not common but several times a sitting president have faced serious challenges from within his party.

While you are correct that it is up to the parties who and how they end up nominating for president, when they go through all time, money, and effort to stage a primary (which this one DID have a challenge from within-RFK Jr) and then toss the winner aside like rotten meat when it looked like he would get thrashed (yes, it was a coup-Joe did NOT want to drop out), then the party that has constantly claimed that the R's/Trump are dictatorial/autocratic can just shut the **** up that topic after their own hypocritical maneuvers!

 

[Cougini5591]

I’d be OK with the Ds having a better candidate. How about you? I’m tired of Trump, but Harris is Paul Wulff terrible.

She is much worse.

1) Don't give one ounce of support for sex changes surgeries on kids... illegal immigrants in prisons...

2) The Border Wall should be of top priority.

3) Stop blocking voter identification improvements.

I could list a lot more, but for crying out loud... wake the f up.

She has to be on the All Star Team of stupid

 

[Coug90]

I've never voted for Trump. I've said so on this board many times.

I’ve never voted for him I just defend everything he says and and does with whataboutisms 🙄