Yeah but that guy is all day tough and demands accountability from his youth football team. He would take the Cougs to new heights!
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Throughout our history, there have been very few excellent presidential candidates. We do not live in Plato's Republic. We live in the real, complicated, often corrupt and inefficient world where partially flawed or incomplete candidates are put forth
Again - to me - this total BS "they are both shit" sentiment. Really, 95? Trump and Harris are both just the same? No difference? Nom difference between what the elected officials would support and stand for from each if elected?
Absolutely there will be whining, and you can bet the farm on that, and it doesn't matter which side wins. I hope you are correct about less chicanery of any kind during the voting and the counting.
One thing that is pretty much a guarantee is that if Trump is the winner not a single one of the snowflakes that say they will leave the country if Trump wins will actually follow through with their empty threat. Unfortunately.
It is likely to come down to the results in the 3 rust belt states. I think if Harris wins them all but Trump can flip the single Omaha electoral vote, the election would be a tie and would be thrown into the House, where Trump would win. Wouldn't THAT be fun and trigger massive whining and gnashing of liberal dentures? Highly unlikely, though.
Here is what could be the predictor if only we knew one thing- have the polling outfits corrected their faulty methods and procedures for doing the sampling? In Trump's previous two campaigns his support was seriously underestimated. So, have they been able to fix those sampling flaws or not? If they have this race is absolutely a toss-up, if they have not made the correction then it is likely Trump will have a strong win, but not a landslide.
You want a distinction? Trump is pig shit, Harris is cow shit. Not the same, but I don't care to touch either one.
As for "partially flawed and incomplete candidates," note that I said in the first half of my post "a lot of people would find a candidate they more closely agree with." Never said any of them were perfect. We may be selecting pig drool over pig shit...but that's a bit easier to accept.
Obviously a largely subjective exercise, but while all presidential candidates are flawed, I can't think of a set of competing presidential tickets in any period of time that I can remember, either during my life or by reputation from an earlier era, in which both sets were this bad. I know I don't need to convince you of this with respect to the Rs (although Vance brings it up quite a bit in terms of what most people would consider "good," leaving aside what you may think of his policy positions ... no major scandals, highly accomplished, solid story and background, veteran, law degree from Yale, extremely articulate and intelligent, vast knowledge that he actually can articulate in a relatable manner).
As for the Ds, well, I don't want to contribute to the discord on here by delineating it in detail, but in numerous respects, those two are way below the typical bar in terms of things like apparent demonstrated intelligence, credentials, ability to speak, and other general manner of operation. Especially one of them, while the other has some issues with prevarication and self-described buffoonery, leaving the rest aside.
I realize some of this may reflect the era we are in, with social media and hyperpartisanship contributing to the views we form. Perhaps a Walz type, at least, would not seem so flawed in an earlier news coverage era where you didn't have constant clips of the gaffes and oddities, for example.
But really, again, without trying to make this contentious, just take a step back and compare these two, especially the presidential candidates themselves, with just about any other pairing you could recall--or perhaps even imagine--and it's not even close to what we'd typically see when you think about what most people would want from a presidential candidate on a policy-blind basis, especially considering one didn't even go through a primary process. (It would be pretty brutal if considering policies, too, perhaps even more, but that's another issue.) That isn't the same as saying they're indistinguishable and both "shit," btw, which I realize you are addressing. They are both quite poor but certainly not the same.
Not exactly true but you already knew that. Hypothetical question for you. Is it worth it to lock up millions of innocent people in an effort to catch a few more criminals? Cuz that’s essentially what you’re pushing worried about a handful of illegal voters when the R party is actively working to disenfranchise and discourage millions of LEGAL voters from hitting the polls.
I’m trying to but all these illegals keep showing up at my front door and throwing it at me. What’s a guy to do? 🤷
It would be a start if there were a campaigning rule/ law that states you can't mudsling your opponent(s). Just state what your platform is and what you're going to do.
I fact check most of what I've seen and so much of it is just lies or huge exaggerations, and that's for both sides. But most people don't, and when they see these ads they just eat it up as fact. Its really a disservice to the democratic process and needs to stop.
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FWIW....I was able to vote today without single illegal immigrant trying to steal my vote and the machine recorded my responses properly. Weird.
Fake news. Only votes cast for MAGA republicans are recorded properly, all other votes were stolen by murderers, rapists, and democrats on their way to the buffet of dogs and cats.
Neither do I. They taste like fish.
Dogs are better, they taste kind of like spotted owl.
Simplistic and kinda cowardly synopsis. If you can't see the huge distinction between the two then you are more interested in coming across as "fair and balanced" than someone who is actually paying attention...which is surprising based off some of your other posts.
Tell me...what's better in your mind...cow shit or pig shit?
The entire GOP electorate chose trump over 17 other candidates...ALL of which likely woulda beat Harris. You'll find your answer in that fact. Taihtsat
Quite simply...she went through the nominating process as she was overwhelming nominated! With ZERO objection.
If you are struggling trying to figure out whether to vote for trump or Harris, then - in my opinion- you are NOT an informed voter. Taihtsat
Oh, I see a distinction. If it was a two horse race, or if I was in a battleground state, I’d hold my nose and vote for her. Not because I want her as president, but because I definitely don’t want him - he had his shot, and we dumped him for damn good reason.
Fortunately, it’s not a 2 horse race, and I don’t live in a battleground - or even a state that where the outcome isn’t already known. So I have the luxury of going down ballot and voting for someone who doesn’t make me hold my nose quite so tightly.
That's just f-ing stupid. A convincing popular vote victory means something.
A popular vote victory doesn’t necessarily even win the election.
And, more importantly, I don’t want to vote for either of them.
It means a lot of democrats live in California.
Just a tad more democratic than the self-appointed defenders of democracy, am I right?
You came crawling back after completely refusing to counter my argument and challenge to you? Is that how discourse works in your world?
That's twice now (the other being your ludicrous claim Biden should just use seal team 6 to take out trump) that you've been completely exposed and just slithered away.
You're arguments eventually get sloppy and then you quit. No more from you until you address my challenge. Go away, kid. Taihtsat
It means more than your protest vote for a candidate that has zero chance. THAT is a vote that means very little.
It means a lot to deranged trump supporters like dgibs who claim false victory when you can tell them you're boy lost by 7 million votes. Taihtsat
Well, voting for a candidate that has no chance rests a lot easier with my conscience than voting for bad candidates that I don’t want. It also continues a trend, since I’ve never cast a vote for a major party candidate in a presidential election….and I even try to avoid them in down-the-ballot elections.
And, like I’ve said before, voting for anyone other than Harris in this state is voting for a candidate that has no chance. Votes for anyone else have no meaning, and the popular vote is irrelevant.
It took you a week to admit the Ds don’t give a shit about democracy. You’re in no position to “challenge” anyone.
What’s really sad is that you need so many examples of the Ds’ hypocrisy to admit it. But I guess that’s what happens when a person is brainwashed.
Comeback when you've finished your homework.
My post #191 last Wed...you've been hiding since. What bullshit behavior! Taihtsat
You’ve proven that you need incredible amounts of repetition, but I already responded to your preschool level post. Bullshit is what you consume daily during your MSNBC re-indoctrination sessions. Trump is going to lock you up. You and Ed will be cellmates.
I get that you’re a brainwashed elitist, but you don’t have any authority or ability to tell others what to do. Your sad attempt to bully people is likewise noted.
That dead horse you two are beating into the ground break the surface in China yet? Geezus.
Since I never get tired of kicking your ass on this board, I'll give you another chance to scurry away from a direct challenge to support your false-equivelancy claim that the Dems nominating process was the same anti-democratic action as attempted by trump in 2020. This is what I directed at you on page 5 of this very thread, which was followed by crickets from you. Here ya go:
What... you're still here? Oaks, let's redirect. Follow along and please and try to stay on topic.You claim democrats are portraying themselves as the protector of democracy this election, fair enough. I'll grant thatmis certainly one of their main points. Then you say they are hypocrites because they succeeded in convincing Biden to step aside after the party primary voting was completed. Fair enough, I'll even grant that.
This is where you err in saying what trump did in 2020 (which we both agree the democrats are campaigning against this cycle) is the same as what the DNC and party leadership (including the FORMER speaker, pelosi - you like that 😉) did thru THIS nomination process.
One (trump) came AFTER the final election, attempting to thwart the will of the majority of voters, failed court challenges, massive pushback (even some from his own party) with trump still lying and whining about it to this day, vs the other (Biden - Harris) that happened PRIOR to the convention (where parties officially nominate their candidates for the big finale) which was followed by NO significant party dissent, a huge boost in national polling, a major campaign donation influx, increased enthusiasm amongst the base and momentum overall.
Now if you can comprehend THAT and STILL wish to maintain your false-equivelancy, explain how the national election process is the same as the party selection process! To be hypocrites on this, it must be the same. How is it the same?
To make your point, you'll have to explain how the Democratic party disregarded the will of their voters in selecting their nominee for president that resulted in NO legal challenges, NO other candidates stepped forward, there was NO outrage (except by you and your fellow trump supporters), and where half the nation supports the candidate - an INCREASE compared to the support Biden was receiving.
Make your case, counselor!
Also, you wouldn't feel bullied if you weren't such a debate coward.
