How much of his, what $14M?, salary do you think he donates to providing affordable housing & jobs to inner city folks? He's a stupid, spoiled moron who has painted himself AND the team into a corner. What a fool
Just a personal view. I think the best way to honor a right is to exercise it freely.
Are you tired of it because you don't believe it? You don't believe there is a double standard when it comes to race?
Exactly. And this is the real reason the multimillionaire is making this stand now. I detest hypocrisy. He will indeed have his excuse.
Honestly, it's about lack of tolerance… On both sides of the coin.
Sure. But the best way to honor those who have died protecting our rights is not to dishonor them and their memory.
As an employee of the Niners/NFL I'm not certain he has that right. Just like I can't say anything I want to say while at work. That's the issue.Honestly, it's about lack of tolerance… On both sides of the coin.
I'm one to get more worked up over Kaepernicks (sp) antics than the other side but I am able to see what he's TRYING to say. He's doing a HORRIBLE job at articulation, though. For me, I have family that have died at war. To me and my family, that flag is a symbol of my families sacrifice. Plain and simple. So when you don't stand up for that flag, when you don't take off your lid, when you don't place your hand over your heart, you are disrespecting the deaths of thousands, hundreds of thousands, of soldiers that have died. It isn't about the general, broad-stroked image of our USA. It's the profile picture that was placed over the kitchen sink. So why do people get worked up about his antics? It's about family. It literally has a face that makes you cry, when you think of him. It's about a soldier seeing his buddy get shot up… over that flag. Stuff like that. So it isn't "fabric worship". It's very, very personal. It's unfortunate that so many that talk of tolerance can't place themselves in these shoes and find other ways to protest.
He has every right to do this. If he was against a war, I can see that being more appropriate (although I'd still disagree for the same reasons). Does the USA have a problem? I honestly don't know. I'm a white male. I find it hard to put on different shoes for this issue, as much as I've tried. But I thrive on facts. The only real study has been out of Harvard and it suggests there isn't a problem. It actually shows white's are more likely to be shot by police. That is where my perspective might be off, though. One, limited study. I'll try to find the study to link so I'm not spouting off without backing…
But I also understand facts don't assuage the feeling of unfairness… of feeling attacked. The problem (IF the Harvard facts are true that they aren't being attacked, that they aren't being treated unfairly) is that "feelings" are being propped up in a higher standard than "fact". If facts back up the feelings, I hope our country can place their compassion hat on and realize how quickly, compassionately, and lovingly this needs to be rectified.
Like everyone, it's my .02 worth. And everyone has a nickel… But conversation on these things is always a good thing, unless it somehow goes sideways. I think that is Kaepernicks point. Discussion of the issue. Wish he'd have found a way for discussion without the personal disrespect that is inherent in HOW he's doing it… Peace.
You are mixing two different things. He certainly has the Right. Supreme Court has said that BURNING the flag is a protected Right, so NOT standing is under the same umbrella, I would think. But being an employee is not about "Rights". It's about the contract you've signed and what you do while "at work". And the 49'ers have already put out a press release on this. The organization is OK with what he is doing. So your beef should be with your boss, not Kaepernick (sp) for "the rules for one do not apply to another" concept.
I am agreeing with you that it's not an issue of constitutional rights. Again, if he is violating workplace rules the Niners and the NFL have specified, then that would be the issue. If neither have a rules problem that he or any other player does this, then he's just being a hypocritical dope and wants to be ready to blame his impending release on supposedly caring about this issue.
Gotcha. I'm a literal kind of guy. And "right" is a legal term. That's where I was going with it. I was confused with your use of that term and clarifying my terminology and definitions.
Actually "rights" can be legal, and they also be social or political. That's why specifying "legal" rights makes sense in this convoGotcha. I'm a literal kind of guy. And "right" is a legal term. That's where I was going with it. I was confused with your use of that term and clarifying my terminology and definitions.
My "literal brain" has gotten me into more trouble than you'll ever know.
it all depends on where this goes, doesn't it? If his actions result in lost revenue or distractions or conflict in the lockerroom, then it will amaze us all just how quickly "the 49ers will have a problem with it" lol
Oh yeah....the NFL could have a significant problem brewing here. Likely they'll donate several million dollars to BLM and everything will be cool. Problem solved quietly. <sigh>
Just to be clear, I wasn't outraged. He's an idiot still though and I don't care when he started this. My OP was pointing out that Leach said pledge of allegiance, not national anthem...which I found funny.
True but they are used in the "social" and "political" world, many times in an effort to make the given action 1) "legal" status or 2) appearance of such. Social or political "rights' are used as shadow, as propaganda for the real thing.
No...trying to figure out what you are tired of. Just trying to figure out where you are coming from. It is your point of view. I probably don't agree with it, but it isn't something factual that can be argued.
Including coaches. They talk during the anthem, they wear their hats etc. It is his way of protesting some of the injustices he sees in our country. Carlos and Smith raised a fist in the 68 Olympics. Brown and Jabbar took positions that weren't popular. The 60's war protestors were considered Un-American but they were actually right in hindsight. The American thing to do (to me) is exercise your rights, that is what has been fought for. If there is a backlash than so be it.
If you want a perfect country then good luck in your search or endeavor to create one. You'll need it.
Not sure I or anyone is asking for perfect. It sure seems odd that the only real deaths that occur during an arrest happen to be black. Is that simply a coincidence?
Congrats.....you just committed the naturalistic fallacy....Now back to the incredible Renee Fleming....
Well.....what are the comparable crime rates for crimes of violence by race? You have a hunch, don't you?? Do you think all races are equal in their behavior??
Hey Haskell, you just said you won't "make one retort"....then you went on and....made a retort.
