Too bad for him. Is he a Coug or an Eagle now? I am sure he will land on his feet somewhere, but he is better suited for the FCS level.Originally posted by MikeFingLeach:
According to coachingsearch.com. I was looking for WSU news when I stumbled upon.
Originally posted by Coug1990:
Too bad for him. Is he a Coug or an Eagle now? I am sure he will land on his feet somewhere, but he is better suited for the FCS level.Originally posted by MikeFingLeach:
According to coachingsearch.com. I was looking for WSU news when I stumbled upon.
next stop NAIAOriginally posted by Coug1990:
Too bad for him. Is he a Coug or an Eagle now? I am sure he will land on his feet somewhere, but he is better suited for the FCS level.Originally posted by MikeFingLeach:
According to coachingsearch.com. I was looking for WSU news when I stumbled upon.
If I'm Eastern, I'd never do that. It's admitting that WSU's rejects are good enough for EWU, which -- while completely accurate -- isn't the message I'd want to send.Originally posted by COUGinNCW:
Interesting thought. Would EWU hire him back if Baldwin leaves which is looking fairly likely?
Originally posted by Coug1990:
Too bad for him. Is he a Coug or an Eagle now? I am sure he will land on his feet somewhere, but he is better suited for the FCS level.Originally posted by MikeFingLeach:
According to coachingsearch.com. I was looking for WSU news when I stumbled upon.
But it wasn't his fault, remember?Originally posted by 425cougfan:
If I'm Eastern, I'd never do that. It's admitting that WSU's rejects are good enough for EWU, which -- while completely accurate -- isn't the message I'd want to send.Originally posted by COUGinNCW:
Interesting thought. Would EWU hire him back if Baldwin leaves which is looking fairly likely?
Originally posted by Coug1990:
Too bad for him. Is he a Coug or an Eagle now? I am sure he will land on his feet somewhere, but he is better suited for the FCS level.Originally posted by MikeFingLeach:
According to coachingsearch.com. I was looking for WSU news when I stumbled upon.
He also screwed up and violated some NCAA rules while there.
I don't think it's so much joy over him being fired. There was plenty of vitriol over him as the coach between fans. Lots of fans that were squarely in his camp were made to look like fools once the bottom fell out of his program... that they had spent years shouting down the fans that saw right thru his house of cards. And now that he's been fired again for some it is vindication that they were right all along about his ability as a football coach.Originally posted by spongebob11:
Yawn.
Glad to see all of you happy about the misfortunes of one of our own.
Let's all hope that we're not watching history repeat itself.Originally posted by BiggsCoug:
Lots of fans that were squarely in his camp were made to look like fools once the bottom fell out of his program... that they had spent years shouting down the fans that saw right thru his house of cards.
I agree. I think Leach is the guy. I just think WSU fans are delusional calling something that's never been built a rebuild.Originally posted by CougPatrol:
Let's all hope that we're not watching history repeat itself.Originally posted by BiggsCoug:
Lots of fans that were squarely in his camp were made to look like fools once the bottom fell out of his program... that they had spent years shouting down the fans that saw right thru his house of cards.
I agree, to get WSU to the point of having winning seasons every year, or virtually every year will take 8-10 years, with the same coach. if we cut bait every 4 years the ups and downs will never stopOriginally posted by BiggsCoug:
I agree. I think Leach is the guy. I just think WSU fans are delusional calling something that's never been built a rebuild.Originally posted by CougPatrol:
Let's all hope that we're not watching history repeat itself.Originally posted by BiggsCoug:
Lots of fans that were squarely in his camp were made to look like fools once the bottom fell out of his program... that they had spent years shouting down the fans that saw right thru his house of cards.
I think it will take upwards of a decade to build WSU.
Basically this.Originally posted by BiggsCoug:
I don't think it's so much joy over him being fired. There was plenty of vitriol over him as the coach between fans. Lots of fans that were squarely in his camp were made to look like fools once the bottom fell out of his program... that they had spent years shouting down the fans that saw right thru his house of cards. And now that he's been fired again for some it is vindication that they were right all along about his ability as a football coach.Originally posted by spongebob11:
Yawn.
Glad to see all of you happy about the misfortunes of one of our own.
I wish this ship would just sail away. WSU and it's fans have better things going now to talk about then a former coach that has been fired.
FWIW, Im sure he'll do well in insurance sales.
Originally posted by BiggsCoug:
I agree. I think Leach is the guy. I just think WSU fans are delusional calling something that's never been built a rebuild.
I think it will take upwards of a decade to build WSU.
Based on the fact that he went "radio silence" on here all year until, LITERALLY, the night of loss number seven, I'd say he does feel vindicated. Just like he did after year one, before they went to a bowl game.Originally posted by CougEd:
So should SpongeBob feel vindicated because early on he had a couple pops and made an emotional post and say he didn't think Leach was going to get it done?
Originally posted by CougEd:
First, when you say "lot's of fans"...well that is pretty comical. I certainly remember a minority of fans after year three supporting the rebuild because there was improvement and hope.
"Shouting down fans--- sure you and I disagree. We certainly disagree of the state of the program that was left behind by a coach who inherited a Rose Bowl team, and we certainly disagreed with the time it would take to rebuild. For me rebuild meant being respectable for more than a season. Seeing hope after the 2010 season with a starter at QB, LB in Mizel, Long, Hoffman Ellis etc things were improving. That is what we disagreed on. And I don't ever recall you or others being chastised for what you believed to be the best thing for the program, whether you thought Wulff was the wrong guy from day one to the wrong guy after year one, two or three. Matter of fact, I don't once ever you being questioned about your "Cougness, and that you want nothing but the best for WSU. And I certainly can't say that now.
You have selective memory if you don't remember reading countless posts of fans ripping each other over the Idiot Staff. Anyone that came out against him was shouted down and vice versa.
Vindicated for what? Our program being in the tubes? Great, you and 100 other people were correct. Now let me hand over your prize and others. What does your vindication win you? What is the prize? Who do I deliver it to? That is the funny part of the message board. Outside of a few people I couldn't tell you if they are tall or short, male or female, fat or skinny, nerd or jock. You get everyone is anonymous. You can tell me you are going to punch my lights out, but really what does that mean behind a computer screen. The point being that pounding our chest or admitting I was wrong doesn't mean squat in light of it means zero to be right or wrong compared to the state of the program. .
People like to be right on the internet. Their opinions are validated. They feel as if they've proven their thoughts correct to others. Especially over the last staff.
You were right, others were right, Wulff couldn't get it done in four years. Which is funny because you are now telling me it is a 8 year process. But be that as it may, what's the reward? 12-26? Great, you were right, the team we support is still batting .333, and heading into next year with a relatively unproven QB, a new DC bring in a new system, a back end that couldn't cover a sole in 2014 and has no where to go but up. The question remains how fast. Personally I would rather be wrong and have the Cougs above .500.
The Idiot Staff could coach for 20 years and it wouldn't make them good coaches. The guy just had a bad plan, hired bad coaches, had zero brand name when he started and by the end his brand was losing, couldn't evaluate talent for crap... and before you point to the small handful of guys that landed in NFL training camps, please acknowledge he signed 100+ kids. So if 5 of them made it into the NFL for as much as a cup of coffee, that's about as good as anyone walking into a high school wearing a PAC 12 school's polo shirt would do.
So should SpongeBob feel vindicated because early on he had a couple pops and made an emotional post and say he didn't think Leach was going to get it done? Should I feel vindicated because I felt after Doba it was a five year project because of no QB and no DT's? And if Leach does fail what's the prize for those who thought after year three he wouldn't make it?
You two knuckleheads can feel however you want. No one here cares. You do your own thing.
At the end of the day, right/wrong doesn't mean squat in comparison to where the program is.
FWIW, I was also right about Sterk being a sh(tty AD. And I caught holy hell for posting that on this message board. At the end of the day does it matter? Maybe, maybe not. But the program is much better off without him.
You either hire the right guy and stick with him until it gets done OR you have consistent success hiring the right guy consecutively. Very few programs have been able to do that.Originally posted by longtimecoug:
I agree, to get WSU to the point of having winning seasons every year, or virtually every year will take 8-10 years, with the same coach. if we cut bait every 4 years the ups and downs will never stopOriginally posted by BiggsCoug:
I agree. I think Leach is the guy. I just think WSU fans are delusional calling something that's never been built a rebuild.Originally posted by CougPatrol:
Let's all hope that we're not watching history repeat itself.Originally posted by BiggsCoug:
Lots of fans that were squarely in his camp were made to look like fools once the bottom fell out of his program... that they had spent years shouting down the fans that saw right thru his house of cards.
I think it will take upwards of a decade to build WSU.
Being "built," to me, is at least 5 straight years of winning seasons. You might have some ups and downs in those 5 years, but Im talking 9 wins to 7 wins then back to 9 wins.Originally posted by Coug95man2:
Originally posted by BiggsCoug:
I agree. I think Leach is the guy. I just think WSU fans are delusional calling something that's never been built a rebuild.
I think it will take upwards of a decade to build WSU.
Biggs, you've stated this a few times. At first I kinda dropped my jaw then thought "he's hedging his bets. Go extreme and then when we turn the corner, we still are good. Positive/Positive." But you've kinda won me over on this. I think my initial definition of "build" is different than yours was. I saw us getting to a bowl next year, or the next, as a real turnaround. You aren't (I'm guessing). To you, a "build" is a bowl every year, for 5 years (correct?). Anyways, you've won me over on this
I also think CML is in the same boat. I think he's here to prove himself, the same as at TT. He was there for the duration. He wanted to make TT a perennial.
Now I think he wants to make WSU a perennial. That takes stability. So he wants to be here long term. And I think he's doing it to prove to the doubters that the AirRaid is valid, regardless of the opponent, season, decade, etc. etc. He's going to grind until he's successful Geronimo. Not the best book but interesting and enlightening into his perspective and way of thinking.
According to the official Oregon State athletics Twitter account, there will be a press conference tomorrow afternoon to announce "significant enhancements to [their] football facilities."Originally posted by BiggsCoug:
Being "built," to me, is at least 5 straight years of winning seasons. You might have some ups and downs in those 5 years, but Im talking 9 wins to 7 wins then back to 9 wins.Originally posted by Coug95man2:
Originally posted by BiggsCoug:
I agree. I think Leach is the guy. I just think WSU fans are delusional calling something that's never been built a rebuild.
I think it will take upwards of a decade to build WSU.
Biggs, you've stated this a few times. At first I kinda dropped my jaw then thought "he's hedging his bets. Go extreme and then when we turn the corner, we still are good. Positive/Positive." But you've kinda won me over on this. I think my initial definition of "build" is different than yours was. I saw us getting to a bowl next year, or the next, as a real turnaround. You aren't (I'm guessing). To you, a "build" is a bowl every year, for 5 years (correct?). Anyways, you've won me over on this
I also think CML is in the same boat. I think he's here to prove himself, the same as at TT. He was there for the duration. He wanted to make TT a perennial.
Now I think he wants to make WSU a perennial. That takes stability. So he wants to be here long term. And I think he's doing it to prove to the doubters that the AirRaid is valid, regardless of the opponent, season, decade, etc. etc. He's going to grind until he's successful Geronimo. Not the best book but interesting and enlightening into his perspective and way of thinking.
While off topic, what is OSU gonna do? I know they had some fans that couldn't wait for Riley to hit the road. Which is fine. But this hire is crucial for them. Hire the wrong guy and they're right back where they were. Don't build facilities for this guy in the PAC 12 arms race and he's just as good (more likely worse) than Riley.
like you chose to do in this post?Originally posted by Coug95man2:
While I tend to agree with your logical point, reality points to a different conclusion. Otherwise, CPW would never be mentioned again. And regardless of what "side" you are on that specific coach, people want to be "right". People don't write something and think of the logical conclusion of what that could mean 2 or 3 years down the road... Hence CPW continues to be brought up sadly.
They're already behind. So while most of the schools are done and showing off their new digs to recruits, OSU is going to show off blueprints and construction sites. Which aren't necessarily bad, but not necessarily right now. And right now is important for some kids.Originally posted by Britton Ransford:
According to the official Oregon State athletics Twitter account, there will be a press conference tomorrow afternoon to announce "significant enhancements to [their] football facilities."Originally posted by BiggsCoug:
Being "built," to me, is at least 5 straight years of winning seasons. You might have some ups and downs in those 5 years, but Im talking 9 wins to 7 wins then back to 9 wins.Originally posted by Coug95man2:
Originally posted by BiggsCoug:
I agree. I think Leach is the guy. I just think WSU fans are delusional calling something that's never been built a rebuild.
I think it will take upwards of a decade to build WSU.
Biggs, you've stated this a few times. At first I kinda dropped my jaw then thought "he's hedging his bets. Go extreme and then when we turn the corner, we still are good. Positive/Positive." But you've kinda won me over on this. I think my initial definition of "build" is different than yours was. I saw us getting to a bowl next year, or the next, as a real turnaround. You aren't (I'm guessing). To you, a "build" is a bowl every year, for 5 years (correct?). Anyways, you've won me over on this
I also think CML is in the same boat. I think he's here to prove himself, the same as at TT. He was there for the duration. He wanted to make TT a perennial.
Now I think he wants to make WSU a perennial. That takes stability. So he wants to be here long term. And I think he's doing it to prove to the doubters that the AirRaid is valid, regardless of the opponent, season, decade, etc. etc. He's going to grind until he's successful Geronimo. Not the best book but interesting and enlightening into his perspective and way of thinking.
While off topic, what is OSU gonna do? I know they had some fans that couldn't wait for Riley to hit the road. Which is fine. But this hire is crucial for them. Hire the wrong guy and they're right back where they were. Don't build facilities for this guy in the PAC 12 arms race and he's just as good (more likely worse) than Riley.
Link: https://twitter.com/beaverathletics/status/542384724434354176