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Stretch 74 said:
Police were killed on January 6
Charlettesville
Project 2025
Abortion (states do allow surviving infants to die)
Bloodbath

And the truth or falsity of the pets issue is still TBD. City official says false, citizens say yes. This needs more investigation to prove.

EDIT to correct Charelston to Charlettesville and include "Bloodbath".
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Oh Stretch. I thought you were reasonable. No the falsity of the pet eating thing is not TBD. It is complete and utter BS. Read the article below from the Columbus (Ohio) newspaper. The part about how the cat-eating woman is in Canton and she is apparently not Haitian. The guy carrying the dead(?) goose picture was taken in Columbus. And while not mentioned in the article, the "citizen" (not citizens) whose "report" started this whole thing, was quoting what her "neighbor's daughter's friend" allegedly said. No police reports, no evidence, nothing. If someone had your cat hanging from a tree wouldn't you call 911 immediately?

I mean really. WTF is wrong with you? See the "executing babies" link below as well. So I ask again, WTF is wrong with you?

www.dispatch.com

The truth about Springfield, Ohio: Are immigrants eating dogs as Trump says? What to know

Donald Trump repeated the claim at the presidential debate. So, are Haitian immigrants eating dogs, cats or wild geese? We fact check the issue.
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Not exactly executing babies either. Google it and you can find numerous similar articles:
"in rare circumstances when a newborn has a condition “that will lead to their death in the very near term and there is nothing that could be done to save the baby’s life … parents can decline attempted resuscitation and other heroic measures. …"

MSN

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95coug said:
I heard about 10 minutes of it in bits and pieces. That was enough to hear distortions and falsehoods from both sides. The more blatant falsehoods fabricated from thin air were, of course, from Trump. The eating pets thing seems to have come from a single person making claims that are then being picked up as "I heard" and "my friend said." Haven't actually seen any first-person stuff, and the local authorities have denied it outright. I've seen a video that's supposedly "proof" but that video didn't have any attribution, there were no indications of where it was from, or anything traceable.
On Kamala's side, she brought up the "very fine people on both sides" thing again. That sentence fragment has been twisted and distorted for years, and the democrats love to bring it up. But Trump is right, if you look at his whole statement instead of just those 6 words, it's different. It was still a stupid thing to say...but he's kind of the king of saying stupid things.

As for shoulder shrugging...if that's how you read what I'm doing, fine, I don't really care. The fact is that neither of the parties or their candidates can be trusted, and they're both shitty choices. I at least have the comfort of knowing that, since I live in a state that isn't a battleground and whose outcome isn't in question...I don't have to choose between them, and the fact that I won't will not make a difference.


Edit: Forgot to add - what I think was the most outrageous thing he said was that on January 6, only one person was killed and she should not have been shot. That's utter BS, and even the dedicated Trump voters who were in the room with me last night said that's wrong. She was demanding to be shot, she defied orders and warnings and gave them no choice. His supporting her against the capitol police is a prime example of why he's not fit for office.
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95coug said:
This will be a controversial idea, but...

The single largest reason people come across the border into the US (especially the southern border) is that their country sucks. They're poor, it's crime ridden, the government and police are corrupt, etc. They come here because it's supposed to be better. They get a work visa, enter, and don't want to go back. Or, they don't get a visa and just cross the border, because even if they live with the threat of deportation, it's better than going back.

So, we spend a pile of money to build walls and fences, to hire border guards, to bust coyotes, we make rules to make it harder for employers to hire migrants under the table. We fight the problem at its end - not at its source. As long as conditions suck in the origin countries, the people are going to keep coming, and we're going to keep pouring resources into fighting a battle we can't win.

I'm not really sure exactly what this looks like, but it would be more effective if we worked on improving things in those countries. Make it so those people will stay in their country instead of coming here.

The US has been pretty shitty at picking its friends in south and central america historically, and the current conditions can often be traced back to our prior influence. So, fix it. Make better choices. Control the corruption (with either money or military). It won't be cheap, but it should at least have an effect. Trying to block them at the border or round them up and deport them will never work.
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Controversial perhaps but, I keep a lock on my door. Shouldn’t have to but I do it so people who didn’t buy my stuff can’t take my stuff just because they’re poor.
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UberCougars said:
Sounds like you have a major issue with Virginia’s former governor
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The Virginia former governor isn't even remotely on my mind, precisely because he is the FORMER Virginia governor for, what, 4 or 5 years now?

Apparently you have no credible info on the Haitians eating pets? To your credit, you show much more wisdom in your restraint that the dumbass you support who recklessly passes on stuff he sees on TV or from that cringe twitter twit loomer. Taihtsat
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KRUSTYtheCOUG said:
Not claiming she didn't say something that wasn't precisely accurate or factual.

Saying police were killed is definitely misleading. Police officers are dead likely as a result of that assault (encouraged by Trump) and they certainly were assaulted and injured.

He did say there were fine people on both sides. It is misleading to suggest he meant the white supremacist specifically. But as loyal has asked numerous times, just who are the fine people he was referring to. The rally the night before? Those fvckers? The dopes that protested removing of the traitorous Robert E Lee statue?

What about project 2025? You believe him when he says he knows nothing about it while at the same time apparently knows enough to criticize segments of it?

States allowing born infants to die is far different than claiming democrats are for killing born children. There is and never has been any such plank in their platform.

The fact that attempting to scare and frighten potential voters by portraying immigrants as pet-nappers fixated on killing and eating our beloved dogs and cats is nothing more than a fear of "others" gimmick is apparently lost on you. Your lack of skepticism that this is credible is a great demonstration of how manipulation works. Taihtsat
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Sounds like you have a major issue with Virginia’s former governor
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KRUSTYtheCOUG said:
Rates oa the most effective way to accurately measure this and studies by Stanford, Northwestern and even going back to the Cato Institute all show immigrants are less likely to be incarcerated that native born white folk. Recently that rate has been up to 60% less likely.

The bottom line is that the GOP is deliberately distorting the threat by fear mongering to manipulate both their own base and ignorant potential voters who can be easily swayed.
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Yes, it's effective and it's common. But it still distorts the reality, especially when you're comparing populations of significantly different sizes.
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Loyal Coug1 said:
I read this report, and it is disturbing. The sanctuary city thing is BS, and those cities need to fix that shit.

That said, we all know Immigration is broken. It needs to be fixed. Through bipartisan efforts. Both sides should be ashamed. And as far as the crime by immigrants (legal or illegal), I'm not really surprised. They have no money. The guy in the article wanted a change of clothes. Doesn't make it right to steal, and he should be jailed and hopefully deported. But desperation fosters criminal activity.
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This will be a controversial idea, but...

The single largest reason people come across the border into the US (especially the southern border) is that their country sucks. They're poor, it's crime ridden, the government and police are corrupt, etc. They come here because it's supposed to be better. They get a work visa, enter, and don't want to go back. Or, they don't get a visa and just cross the border, because even if they live with the threat of deportation, it's better than going back.

So, we spend a pile of money to build walls and fences, to hire border guards, to bust coyotes, we make rules to make it harder for employers to hire migrants under the table. We fight the problem at its end - not at its source. As long as conditions suck in the origin countries, the people are going to keep coming, and we're going to keep pouring resources into fighting a battle we can't win.

I'm not really sure exactly what this looks like, but it would be more effective if we worked on improving things in those countries. Make it so those people will stay in their country instead of coming here.

The US has been pretty shitty at picking its friends in south and central america historically, and the current conditions can often be traced back to our prior influence. So, fix it. Make better choices. Control the corruption (with either money or military). It won't be cheap, but it should at least have an effect. Trying to block them at the border or round them up and deport them will never work.
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Stretch 74 said:
Okay, to start with I was talking about violent crime, but you selected a small part of that, child sex abuse. Are they the same, I doubt it and think it likely that the numbers will not be the same, although without researching I don't know the results.

I will simply say that the 5% needs to be dealt with as does the 95%.
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I focused on child abuse, since that's really where the testimony came from. But the violent crime numbers aren't that much different.
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Sagarin rankings UW (33) vs. Cougs (35)...

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Loyal Coug1 said:
Aren't those about Martin Stadium prices? Less the tank-plus of gas and whatever else depending on your location. I should go, it's a shorter trip from YakiVegas to Seattle than to Pullman. Easy day trip. I can pony up $54 or whatever. I just can't deal with the thought of Wetside traffic. Last time I was there I swore I would never return.
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The $54 is actually below Martin prices. But it's for 3rd deck seats where you can barely see what's going on. And then there's all the other costs - gas, parking, the dose of narcan you need after walking in downtown seattle, tetanus shot, etc.

Also...I posted this yesterday (from a Brand Z article), but it bears repeating:

"I know this may feel petty, but are there any games in the previous 11 you'd put at #1 in anything? Was there a single time you walked out of Seahawks Stadium thinking "I'm glad I did that. That was worth the money." Of course you haven't. You're going out of obligation, not because you actually want to go. When I watched the game from the hospital last year, the first thing I learned was "I do not miss being at this game". All the hand-wringing over attendance and the lack of loyalty from Cougar fans is kind of silly. The product is not compelling and we're trying to guilt people into giving up their time and money to attend a game that has never been an enjoyable experience, even when the team is good."
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KRUSTYtheCOUG said:
Rates oa the most effective way to accurately measure this and studies by Stanford, Northwestern and even going back to the Cato Institute all show immigrants are less likely to be incarcerated that native born white folk. Recently that rate has been up to 60% less likely.

The bottom line is that the GOP is deliberately distorting the threat by fear mongering to manipulate both their own base and ignorant potential voters who can be easily swayed.
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There you go doing what the LIBTARDS, DEMOTARDS, MAINSTREAM MEDIA TARDS, ETC, DO, in using IMMIGRANTS, which can, does include BOTH Illegal Aliens Immigrants, and Legal Immigrants, instead of using Illegal Alien Immigrants, and Immigrants separately.

Legal Immigrants are wonderful, Awesome, most to almost all of them are awesome people, and what you said applies to LEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

Illegal Alien Immigrants are BREAKING USA LAW to come here ILLEGALLY, and Some of them do violent crimes, etc, and SOME OF THEM ARE GOOD PEOPLE, and a lot of them are hard workers(I ought to know as I worked beside them in the Bean Crops of Othello, 10 hours a day, in the 110 degree heat(They were also the nicest people)

Also we are skirting around the REAL ISSUE, PROBLEM.

The real problem is 3 things.

1. We don't control our border, and just let whoever across whether they be cartel, gangs, terrorist, human trafficker, slavers, good and bad Illegal Alien Immigrants, etc, and we don't vett or if do vett, don't vett effectively.

2. If, when, if a Illegal Alien Immigrant commits even a violent crime, it usually goes less enforced, a slap on wrist, and then released, and then the Illegal Alien Immigrant then goes, does it again, rinse, wash, repeat, 4,5,6 more times, for years, ruining lives, etc, before they FINALLY either get permanently imprisoned in USA prison System, or Deported before they Illegally come here again, and then commit more violent crimes, until Finally get permanently imprisoned.

3. We, our govt, our leaders, etc, don't do anything or anything effective to fix, deal with the 2 above points.
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Not to get too far ahead....but what are the bowl tie-ins?

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Loyal Coug1 said:
Have they ever been meaningful? I don't disagree with anything you say here but will add that the proliferation of bowl games over the last how many years has not helped one bit. When it got to the point where 6-6 got you into a bowl, the lower ones truly did become meaningless.
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I agree with that. And remember, in some cases you didn't even have to be 6-6. There are some years when there aren't enough eligible teams for the bowl berths, so 5-7 teams get picked for bowls based on APR score.

But, my larger point was that now - outside of the CFP games, any meaning that even the bigger, more popular games had is gone. At the end of the season, 12 teams will be playing for something. The other 110 teams will be playing for an extra 2 weeks of practice.
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KRUSTYtheCOUG said:
You avoided the question. Do you think the lies and distortions were equivalent?

What Harris lie and distortion mandated a instant fact check to the same degree as the stolen election being pushed for 3.5 years or the incendiary immigrants eating pets which the GOP is actively pushing in this current news cycle?

This kind of shoulder-shrugging and "both sides do it" kind of thinking is exactly what the GOP is hoping those moderate voters will do. It suppresses voters. The only way they can win a national election. You've already expressed how it's working on you. Taihtsat
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I heard about 10 minutes of it in bits and pieces. That was enough to hear distortions and falsehoods from both sides. The more blatant falsehoods fabricated from thin air were, of course, from Trump. The eating pets thing seems to have come from a single person making claims that are then being picked up as "I heard" and "my friend said." Haven't actually seen any first-person stuff, and the local authorities have denied it outright. I've seen a video that's supposedly "proof" but that video didn't have any attribution, there were no indications of where it was from, or anything traceable.
On Kamala's side, she brought up the "very fine people on both sides" thing again. That sentence fragment has been twisted and distorted for years, and the democrats love to bring it up. But Trump is right, if you look at his whole statement instead of just those 6 words, it's different. It was still a stupid thing to say...but he's kind of the king of saying stupid things.

As for shoulder shrugging...if that's how you read what I'm doing, fine, I don't really care. The fact is that neither of the parties or their candidates can be trusted, and they're both shitty choices. I at least have the comfort of knowing that, since I live in a state that isn't a battleground and whose outcome isn't in question...I don't have to choose between them, and the fact that I won't will not make a difference.


Edit: Forgot to add - what I think was the most outrageous thing he said was that on January 6, only one person was killed and she should not have been shot. That's utter BS, and even the dedicated Trump voters who were in the room with me last night said that's wrong. She was demanding to be shot, she defied orders and warnings and gave them no choice. His supporting her against the capitol police is a prime example of why he's not fit for office.
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Loyal Coug1
Stretch 74 said:
Please, everyone in this discussion be sure to separate the issue into two parts-legal immigrants vs illegal immigrants. It would not surprise me at all to find that LEGAL immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than US citizens in general. I believe that the vast majority of legal immigrants to the US are good people, law abiding people. Yes, that is how this country was built. But it is disingenuous to conflate legal and illegal immigrants in these discussions, something that was done a lot way back in 2015/2016 when Trump was talking about a wall.

I don't think I know any secrets about the issue, but I have heard reports like linked below as well as anecdotal reports from people living in areas which are experiencing a large infusion of illegal immigrants. But how these all impact the entire US, how the rates compare, I do not know, but I do think it is highly likely that illegals are committing crimes at much higher rates than either legal immigrants or US citizens.

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I read this report, and it is disturbing. The sanctuary city thing is BS, and those cities need to fix that shit.

That said, we all know Immigration is broken. It needs to be fixed. Through bipartisan efforts. Both sides should be ashamed. And as far as the crime by immigrants (legal or illegal), I'm not really surprised. They have no money. The guy in the article wanted a change of clothes. Doesn't make it right to steal, and he should be jailed and hopefully deported. But desperation fosters criminal activity.
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Loyal Coug1 said:
MHver3 again? Really ttown?

In other breaking and accurate news from the Twitter universe and confirmed at last night's debate, Springfield Ohio is now devoid of cats and dogs because the Haitians have eaten them all. Oops, wrong board for this news...... :)
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The guy isn't "always wrong"....I do think he has sources and just because it's not being reported by other sources, doesn't invalidate the rumor.
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Loyal Coug1
While Kamala smoked Trump by any rational human beings' measure, I would have made a couple of other statements if I was her:
  • Said that her first big action would be to reach across the aisle and foster a new bipartisan border bill, achievable once the stain of Trump is removed. Everybody knows the border situation is better but still broken. So let's get together and fix it. Oh and reiterated that the recent Executive action has markedly slowed immigration. Should we have done more sooner? Probably, but let's focus on fixing it the rest of the way going forward as Americans - Not D's and R's
  • Doubled down on casting the tiebreaking vote allowing continued fracking (which I personally oppose)
  • Hit him harder on his disparaging comments on the military, John McCain, etc.
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KRUSTYtheCOUG said:
That is a good question. A couple studies say no (here's one by oxford)
https://academic.oup.com/oep/article-abstract/73/1/200/5572162?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Problem being this is from 2018 as statistical analysis studies can lag being current reality.

The Cato institute study focusing on texas was 2017 but also came to the same conclusion (47% less likely to be incarcerated for violent crimes)

The fact is that the rhetoric doesn't match the threat and fear. The Stanford study seems to be based on recent and first generation legal immigrants.

But Trump and the GOP are making the claim. It is upon them to substantiate their claim. Do you know something that hasn't been shared?
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Please, everyone in this discussion be sure to separate the issue into two parts-legal immigrants vs illegal immigrants. It would not surprise me at all to find that LEGAL immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than US citizens in general. I believe that the vast majority of legal immigrants to the US are good people, law abiding people. Yes, that is how this country was built. But it is disingenuous to conflate legal and illegal immigrants in these discussions, something that was done a lot way back in 2015/2016 when Trump was talking about a wall.

I don't think I know any secrets about the issue, but I have heard reports like linked below as well as anecdotal reports from people living in areas which are experiencing a large infusion of illegal immigrants. But how these all impact the entire US, how the rates compare, I do not know, but I do think it is highly likely that illegals are committing crimes at much higher rates than either legal immigrants or US citizens.

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