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Teresa Gould addresses the realignment rumor...

Seriously.

It just floors me that people continue to buy into these idiotic rumors about us getting invited into the Big 12, or the supposed “west coast pod” of the ACC. Yormark has openly said that they’re not considering further expansion to the west. Last week news came out that they’re talking to UConn about moving east….yet somehow when some jack wagon on twitter says OSU & WSU might get an invite (same tired post that the same guy has put up every couple weeks for a year) people believe it.

The ACC BS may even be worse. There really haven’t been any rumors of this, people are just keeping it alive from pure speculation. The ACC didn’t even want Stanford and Cal - the only took them at 1/3 shares, a point where they’re actually losing money compared to the old Pac-12 deal. We don’t have the market those teams do, so we won’t even get 1/3. Besides, the ACC is focused on holding its membership together. If (when) FSU and Clemson (and UNC and Miami) make their escape, maybe the ACC will look into westward expansion in a desperate attempt at survival. But there are two serious issues with that: first, 4 teams on the opposite side of the country doesn’t make a pod. ACC will need to grab two more teams at least to make it functional. The second, and bigger, problem is that without FSU, Clemson, Miami, and UNC….what is the ACC worth? If those 4 teams leave, the ACC is a G5 conference too - at least for football.

If any paths to the Big 12 and ACC exist - which right now is some combination of unlikely and unfavorable - WSU and OSU have zero control over them. Odds are that we’d have to buy our way in with significantly reduced shares, which compounds the disadvantages that already exist. And, that path is most likely temporary - until the next phase of realignment leaves us behind again. Counting on a lifeline from the ACC is especially dumb, since it’s pretty clear that conference is a dead man walking.

We have two viable courses - find a way to cobble together a conference with current G5 teams, or find a way to make things work as independents. Neither are great choices. The second would at least allow us some flexibility when the next round comes, but probably leaves us short in the interim. But the simple truth is that the P4 has said they don’t want us. They’ve proved it repeatedly. The longer we deny the facts, the worse our situation will get.
We must be twins separated at birth. Everything you say is spot on. Teresa and the Pac-2 are incompetent fools.

Teresa Gould addresses the realignment rumor...

We are already a G5 team. Quit your whining. The Pac-12 is gone for good. So is our P4 status.
Seriously.

It just floors me that people continue to buy into these idiotic rumors about us getting invited into the Big 12, or the supposed “west coast pod” of the ACC. Yormark has openly said that they’re not considering further expansion to the west. Last week news came out that they’re talking to UConn about moving east….yet somehow when some jack wagon on twitter says OSU & WSU might get an invite (same tired post that the same guy has put up every couple weeks for a year) people believe it.

The ACC BS may even be worse. There really haven’t been any rumors of this, people are just keeping it alive from pure speculation. The ACC didn’t even want Stanford and Cal - the only took them at 1/3 shares, a point where they’re actually losing money compared to the old Pac-12 deal. We don’t have the market those teams do, so we won’t even get 1/3. Besides, the ACC is focused on holding its membership together. If (when) FSU and Clemson (and UNC and Miami) make their escape, maybe the ACC will look into westward expansion in a desperate attempt at survival. But there are two serious issues with that: first, 4 teams on the opposite side of the country doesn’t make a pod. ACC will need to grab two more teams at least to make it functional. The second, and bigger, problem is that without FSU, Clemson, Miami, and UNC….what is the ACC worth? If those 4 teams leave, the ACC is a G5 conference too - at least for football.

If any paths to the Big 12 and ACC exist - which right now is some combination of unlikely and unfavorable - WSU and OSU have zero control over them. Odds are that we’d have to buy our way in with significantly reduced shares, which compounds the disadvantages that already exist. And, that path is most likely temporary - until the next phase of realignment leaves us behind again. Counting on a lifeline from the ACC is especially dumb, since it’s pretty clear that conference is a dead man walking.

We have two viable courses - find a way to cobble together a conference with current G5 teams, or find a way to make things work as independents. Neither are great choices. The second would at least allow us some flexibility when the next round comes, but probably leaves us short in the interim. But the simple truth is that the P4 has said they don’t want us. They’ve proved it repeatedly. The longer we deny the facts, the worse our situation will get.
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Teresa Gould addresses the realignment rumor...

Well aren't you Mr. positive. look around. The MW schools are doing just fine. Most are turning a profit in Athletics. Several get more FB fans at games than us. They had what - 6 teams in March Madness?
My mistake. All this time I thought you were an “accountant”

In reality you were just a-count in’

Thanks for clearing that up.

Teresa Gould addresses the realignment rumor...

Not at all. Joining the MWC conference is a death warrant to WSU (and OSU).

It's the reality. Join and you can kiss it all goodbye. It's not arrogance, it's survival. Joining the MWC doesn't ensure any survival. You're just another team among the G5.
We are already a G5 team. Quit your whining. The Pac-12 is gone for good. So is our P4 status.

Pac-12, Mountain West ‘too far apart’ as negotiations over 2025 scheduling partnership break down

The join The Mountain West Club needs to read this.

Spells it out pretty clearly. In order to keep the Pac12 $$$ long term, they need to display the behavior of exploring all opportunities. Or the money will disappear. Not sure how that continues to be lost on some.
Your post makes zero sense. "Or the money will disappear"? Gawd we've been through this a dozen times. I'm not wasting my time explaining it yet again.

We have no opportunities. We are f-ing stupid.

Teresa Gould addresses the realignment rumor...

The PAC doesn't have to do it for the 2025 season. They can do it for the 2026 season, give sufficient notice, and only have to pay 65 mil total, instead of 35 to 40 mil each.

BSU, SDSU, Fresno St, UNLV leaving the MWC to join PAC, is the best thing they can, should do, if they want to be in a P4, P5 esque, insanely tough conference, and if they want a better media deal(about a 16,17,18,19,20 mil per team per year media deal that way better then MWC, AAC media deal, and if want 4 to 6 to 8 to 10 to 12 mil per year from CFP, and if they want a guaranteed spot in CFP, instead of a 12-0, 11-1, AAC champ getting into CFP over a 12-0, 11-1, 10-2 MWC champ, and if they want better bowls then the Idaho famous potato head bowl, and LA BOWL, etc.

But hey they should be happy with a 7, 8,9,10,11 mil per team, per year deal(PAC 12 CW media deal already currently pays out 7 mil per team per year.). They should be happy when AAC champ, MAAC champ gets into CFP over MWC champ. They should be happy with the Idaho Potato Head bowl, and LA BOWL. They should be happy with only 1.8 mil from CFP.

But hey they should let Hawai, New Mexico, etc, DRAG THEM DOWN, etc.
I'm okay with waiting for the 2026 season. But I'm more anxious to see where our new media contract negotiations take us next year. I don't believe CW will be in play for us. We may see TNT jump into the picture along with CBS Sports and FS1/FS2. Our 2026 media contract may look a lot better than what we have now. I won't speculate on the amount but, it more than likely will be larger than what we have now. I hope we can stay with CBS Sports. This last MWC Basketball tournament 2nd round games were all featured on CBS Sports. Eight teams, four games, shown back to back for 11 hours straight on CBS Sports was awesome. We dominated 11 hours straight on their network which is some serious exposure. Fortunately we had some good basketball this past season.

Pac-12, Mountain West ‘too far apart’ as negotiations over 2025 scheduling partnership break down

Pac-12, Mountain West ‘too far apart’ as negotiations over 2025 scheduling partnership break down​

Jon Wilner
Sep. 1, 2024 at 9:25 pm
The Sunday deadline for the Pac-12 and Mountain West to extend their football scheduling partnership came and went without a deal.

Don’t expect them to revisit talks at a later date, either.

An agreement for the 2025 season “isn’t happening at all,” according to a source familiar with the discussions. The sides are simply “too far apart.”

Instead, Washington State and Oregon State are exploring other options to complete their 2025 schedules.

However, the source cautioned that the lack of a deal with the Mountain West did not indicate a partnership with the ACC or Big 12 — or any other league, for that matter — was imminent.

Nor does the breakdown in talks rule out the possibility of a longer-term merger, in some form, between the Pac-12 and the Mountain West.

“Don’t rule out something for 2026 and beyond,” the source added.

Washington State and Oregon State are operating as a two-team conference for the 2024-25 seasons, based on the NCAA’s two-year grace period for conferences depleted by realignment. By the summer of 2026, the Cougars and Beavers must join another conference or rebuild the Pac-12 to at least eight schools.

The scheduling partnership with the Mountain West provides both WSU and OSU with six games (three home, three away) for the 2024 season.

In exchange for the competition, the Pac-12 schools will pay the Mountain West approximately $15 million, which includes an administrative fee, participation fee and scheduling fee (for each game in Pullman and Corvallis).

The contract does not include a fee structure for the 2025 season. The payments would have been negotiated all over again, the source said.

But the financial piece wasn’t the only hurdle. Extending the agreement into 2025 didn’t fit smoothly within the Pac-12’s long-haul strategic plan, which leans heavily into remaining as flexible as possible — in case of additional realignment — and preserving the cash to act on any opportunities.

As part of their settlement with the 10 departed schools, Washington State and Oregon State are withholding a total of $65 million in campus distributions. That cash could be used to pay all, or a portion of the poaching penalty.

Additionally, the Cougars and Beavers have more than $150 million in assets at their disposal (over the course of several years) from the Pac-12’s postseason football and basketball contracts.

“There will be some of those funds set aside that, as different scenarios emerge, we do have some resources available to us for our strategic priorities moving forward and whatever we might need to do to support our conference affiliation strategy,” Pac-12 commissioner Teresa Gould said recently on ‘Canzano and Wilner: The Podcast.’

For next season, the Cougars and Beavers are exploring a plethora of options and need a total of 12 games (combined) to fill out their schedules.

At this point, WSU has six opponents lined up for next season: North Texas, San Diego State, Idaho, Washington, Virginia and Oregon State.

The Beavers also have six under contract: Cal, Fresno State, Houston, Texas Tech and Oregon, plus Washington State.

Jon Wilner: jwilner@bayareanewsgroup.com

Official MWC Game Thread

I suspect CJD had them staying home to contain PSU QB1. I personally don't agree with that strategy - that's why you have LBs and edge guys.

The Linebackers were terrible at least when back up linebackers came in, at least for 4,5,6,7,8 big plays.

The play where PSU QB scored on a run, the edge, and the linebacker were caught cheating Inside, bit on the misdirection, didn't seal the edge redirect QB inside to help D.

And the PSU RB's were using great juking, cut backs, counter treys, counter gaps, etc, and made the Linebackers miss the tackle in the holes, and once the PSU RB's got past the WSU linebackers in the holes, they went for big gains.

It was the linebackers fault.

Teresa Gould addresses the realignment rumor...

The main problem I see is that to join the rebuild of a Pac12 at this point of the calendar for the 2025 season we would have to give less than one year notice. It would cost us 35 to 40 million each in exit fees to leave. That's not going to happen unless the P12 pays for it.

The PAC doesn't have to do it for the 2025 season. They can do it for the 2026 season, give sufficient notice, and only have to pay 65 mil total, instead of 35 to 40 mil each.

BSU, SDSU, Fresno St, UNLV leaving the MWC to join PAC, is the best thing they can, should do, if they want to be in a P4, P5 esque, insanely tough conference, and if they want a better media deal(about a 16,17,18,19,20 mil per team per year media deal that way better then MWC, AAC media deal, and if want 4 to 6 to 8 to 10 to 12 mil per year from CFP, and if they want a guaranteed spot in CFP, instead of a 12-0, 11-1, AAC champ getting into CFP over a 12-0, 11-1, 10-2 MWC champ, and if they want better bowls then the Idaho famous potato head bowl, and LA BOWL, etc.

But hey they should be happy with a 7, 8,9,10,11 mil per team, per year deal(PAC 12 CW media deal already currently pays out 7 mil per team per year.). They should be happy when AAC champ, MAAC champ gets into CFP over MWC champ. They should be happy with the Idaho Potato Head bowl, and LA BOWL. They should be happy with only 1.8 mil from CFP.

But hey they should let Hawai, New Mexico, etc, DRAG THEM DOWN, etc.

Teresa Gould addresses the realignment rumor...

I thought the deadline was Tuesday. Either way, stupid f-ing Pac-2. We are such stupid idiots.

here we go...
Not at all. Joining the MWC conference is a death warrant to WSU (and OSU).

It's the reality. Join and you can kiss it all goodbye. It's not arrogance, it's survival. Joining the MWC doesn't ensure any survival. You're just another team among the G5.

Cam Ward

That doesn't matter right now. The Gators are a massive program in the State of Florida. The Swamp is a tough place to play, and Miami made it look easy. What's most notable (and a week 1 overreaction) is how bad the ACC looked. Look over Miami's schedule and tell me how many losses you see.

Miami looks like a playoff team, which again is a week 1 overreaction, and if they make it, it would be some great publicity for WSU in this NIL/Portal era.
It does matter. Florida wasn't much of anything before Spurrier. After a handful of coaches, they're third fiddle in the state of Florida.

The Swamp *used* to be a tough place to play. It's not now. And it won't be until they actually hire a coach who can...actually coach.
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