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Best article I've read yet re:AC

He would grab Rogers as the quarterback traveled along the line, and it would send Rogers into a predicament.

“I hit him,” Edson said.
As Rogers’s option options dwindled …
“He pitched it,” Edson said.
… the ball went to Coleman near the right sideline, where a six-season Cougar turned up and so turned up forever in the fans’ warm memories. He’s Kyle Thornton, a linebacker from Upland in California’s Inland Empire, and when he corralled Coleman near the sideline for a two-yard loss, there began a feeling that might as well last the rest of the century and maybe even beyond.
“Game over,” Edson said.
Dickert looked around through his joy and saw that greatest thing about sports: the relationships. “Just to see these guys, and the
celebrations, and the relationships that have been built,” he told reporters.

He summarized: “And if you can’t get behind this team, in this moment, at this time, I just don’t know what else more we can do. Right? Because these guys stayed here for this. For this moment. Right? To bring this trophy back to Pullman [250 miles east-southeast of Seattle], it’s going to be in the third floor of the [football building] if anybody wants to come out and see it. I think we might retire this trophy. I think it’s the Pac-12 trophy. I think that might stay in our place for a long time, and we’ll bring a new one next year, a little Big Ten/Pac-12, we’ll put the new score on it. So we might retire this one as the Pac-12 trophy and stay in Pullman.”

“Being from Washington, I can’t tell you how much this win means to me,” Edson said, and it had lived in the dreams of a kid who became 6-foot-3 and 253 pounds. And that’s when he said the part about growing up and “playing” the Apple Cup, and then he told reporters: “And you’re always thinking it might be your time. And the play came to me, and it was amazing.”
It was amazing, all right. It had bucked the fresh hierarchy, the old snobbery and the dreary TV-money tyranny.
Thank you!

Best article I've read yet re:AC

As Washington State Coach Jake Dickert put it to reporters in Seattle late Saturday, “I just think we’re at such a critical time for Washington State football,” with the future murky and the Apple Cup bizarrely nonconference.

Washington’s Jonah Coleman ran right for a loss of one, corralled by a native of the state, edge rusher Andrew Edson, bringing second and goal.



“Growing up, to be honest,” Edson would tell reporters, “I’m playing this game.”

Washington quarterback Will Rogers threw incomplete down the middle, bringing third and goal.

“We talked about it being a week’s worth of work,” Dickert would tell reporters. “It wasn’t a week’s worth of work. It was 9½ months. Grinding, staying together, working. Our captain, Nusi Malani, in the players’ meeting, he said, ‘We’re not going to beat this team because we hate these guys; we’re going to beat this team because we love each other.’”



Washington State Coach Jake Dickert receives the Apple Cup trophy from Gov. Jay Inslee after beating Washington on Saturday. (Lindsey Wasson/AP)

And while that reiterated the idea of the value of listening to an edge rusher, Washington operated from the 10-yard line, and Rogers hit Denzel Boston to the right, and the play gained … nine yards. Stephen Hall, for two seasons a Cougar, managed to get Boston out of bounds with 72 seconds left, meaning a defensive back from Memphis who had played at Northwest Mississippi Community College ought to get a place in the lore in the Pacific Northwest. Here came fourth and goal.



“I remember I put my helmet down,” said wide receiver Josh Meredith from San Diego, who starred with seven receptions for 111 yards and a touchdown. “I walked over. I was behind the crowd; I was just holding my stuff like this” — hands to chest — “like: ‘Get the stop. Get the stop. Get the stop.’”

In the simultaneous thrill and cruelty of sports, the hopes of the abandoned hinged on one play, and eventually that play did snap. Rogers began heading right with a back outside him in what resembled an option play. And while a defense was about to win the eternal love of those steadfast, mistreated Washington State fans, two guys in particular barged into the future storybooks.
One, Edson, a four-season Cougar from Snoqualmie, population 13,000-ish, 28 miles east of Seattle, began dealing with a block and maybe even a hold, but in the mass of flesh you could see his large left arm begin to fight its way out in a lunge.
He would grab Rogers as the quarterback traveled along the line, and it would send Rogers into a predicament.

“I hit him,” Edson said.
As Rogers’s option options dwindled …
“He pitched it,” Edson said.
… the ball went to Coleman near the right sideline, where a six-season Cougar turned up and so turned up forever in the fans’ warm memories. He’s Kyle Thornton, a linebacker from Upland in California’s Inland Empire, and when he corralled Coleman near the sideline for a two-yard loss, there began a feeling that might as well last the rest of the century and maybe even beyond.
“Game over,” Edson said.
Dickert looked around through his joy and saw that greatest thing about sports: the relationships. “Just to see these guys, and the
celebrations, and the relationships that have been built,” he told reporters.

He summarized: “And if you can’t get behind this team, in this moment, at this time, I just don’t know what else more we can do. Right? Because these guys stayed here for this. For this moment. Right? To bring this trophy back to Pullman [250 miles east-southeast of Seattle], it’s going to be in the third floor of the [football building] if anybody wants to come out and see it. I think we might retire this trophy. I think it’s the Pac-12 trophy. I think that might stay in our place for a long time, and we’ll bring a new one next year, a little Big Ten/Pac-12, we’ll put the new score on it. So we might retire this one as the Pac-12 trophy and stay in Pullman.”

“Being from Washington, I can’t tell you how much this win means to me,” Edson said, and it had lived in the dreams of a kid who became 6-foot-3 and 253 pounds. And that’s when he said the part about growing up and “playing” the Apple Cup, and then he told reporters: “And you’re always thinking it might be your time. And the play came to me, and it was amazing.”
It was amazing, all right. It had bucked the fresh hierarchy, the old snobbery and the dreary TV-money tyranny.
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Best article I've read yet re:AC

As Washington State Coach Jake Dickert put it to reporters in Seattle late Saturday, “I just think we’re at such a critical time for Washington State football,” with the future murky and the Apple Cup bizarrely nonconference.

Washington’s Jonah Coleman ran right for a loss of one, corralled by a native of the state, edge rusher Andrew Edson, bringing second and goal.



“Growing up, to be honest,” Edson would tell reporters, “I’m playing this game.”

Washington quarterback Will Rogers threw incomplete down the middle, bringing third and goal.

“We talked about it being a week’s worth of work,” Dickert would tell reporters. “It wasn’t a week’s worth of work. It was 9½ months. Grinding, staying together, working. Our captain, Nusi Malani, in the players’ meeting, he said, ‘We’re not going to beat this team because we hate these guys; we’re going to beat this team because we love each other.’”



Washington State Coach Jake Dickert receives the Apple Cup trophy from Gov. Jay Inslee after beating Washington on Saturday. (Lindsey Wasson/AP)

And while that reiterated the idea of the value of listening to an edge rusher, Washington operated from the 10-yard line, and Rogers hit Denzel Boston to the right, and the play gained … nine yards. Stephen Hall, for two seasons a Cougar, managed to get Boston out of bounds with 72 seconds left, meaning a defensive back from Memphis who had played at Northwest Mississippi Community College ought to get a place in the lore in the Pacific Northwest. Here came fourth and goal.


“I remember I put my helmet down,” said wide receiver Josh Meredith from San Diego, who starred with seven receptions for 111 yards and a touchdown. “I walked over. I was behind the crowd; I was just holding my stuff like this” — hands to chest — “like: ‘Get the stop. Get the stop. Get the stop.’”

In the simultaneous thrill and cruelty of sports, the hopes of the abandoned hinged on one play, and eventually that play did snap. Rogers began heading right with a back outside him in what resembled an option play. And while a defense was about to win the eternal love of those steadfast, mistreated Washington State fans, two guys in particular barged into the future storybooks.
One, Edson, a four-season Cougar from Snoqualmie, population 13,000-ish, 28 miles east of Seattle, began dealing with a block and maybe even a hold, but in the mass of flesh you could see his large left arm begin to fight its way out in a lunge.
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I hope we are done talking about boycotting the Apple Cup

Just flying home from a great weekend in the PNW. The overall game experience was great. Pioneer Square was rocking pre-game, and seemed to exceed expectations. I was at the Elysian Brewery across from Lumen Field pre-game and they essentially ran out of beer, with only two taps still running out of probably +40! Lumen is much more comfortable than either campus stadium, and it seemed about 40/60 Cougs/Huskies. The fans were loud during the game but overall pretty chill- almost like we were guests at someone else’s house. There were definitely fewer students there for each side- UW hasn’t returned yet from summer break. The weather was very fall-like and it really felt like the Apple Cup to me. It was also so nice to be mentioned on ESPN, and all the other networks, for playing a big game and winning a big game, and not just as a victim of conference re-alignment or for waiving a flag a mind-numbing number of times.

Going forward the AC is going to be A LOT more important for us, because non-conference scheduling is going to get a lot harder. Every coach said it was nearly impossible to get Power 5 conference teams to travel to Pullman when we were one, and now its going to be next to impossible, once the currently scheduled games are played. Beating Wisconsin, Texas Tech and Washington out-of-conference is going to cement the message not to play WSU at home. If anyone glanced at the Texas Tech message boards after last weekend, the fan hatred was split 3-ways between their coach, their QB and their AD for scheduling such a “horsesh*t game”. Regardless who else joins the Pac12, this is the most important event in WSU sports, by about 100-fold. Continuing this series is a huge gift to WSU, and winning this game was honestly as much fun as any Apple Cup I’ve been to, and I’ve been to a lot.
Nice post and write up. Thanks!

OK so UNLV. WTF?

I don’t think Stanford will, but Cal could. Neither will if we don’t ask/have room.

I don’t see this being a league of 14. I think it’s going to be a pretty select 8-10. There’s no reason to take teams that don’t bring anything to the table.
Agree - but going 2000(?) miles away to snag a couple of teams to make 8 doesn't make sense. Grab UNLV and either Wyoming or Air Force. THEN chat with the Texas schools, Memphis, etc. When we have met the 8 team criteria and we can collaborate from a position of not desperate. If that means letting one 2nd string school in to make 8, so be it.

I think we should all take a moment and think about Pat Chun

You mean how he pissed off the Coaches for our successful Volleyball and Basketball and fired a winning football coach for not getting a fake covid shot while the entire time having a purple hard on for fusky nut sweat?

Oh yeah... totally decent job
Rolovich sucked. Glad he gave us a reason.

OK so UNLV. WTF?

They aren't coming back. And sure as F not coming back in time for the deadline. And there is no shortage of seats - 8, 10, 12, whatever. That is not it at all.
I don’t think Stanford will, but Cal could. Neither will if we don’t ask/have room.

I don’t see this being a league of 14. I think it’s going to be a pretty select 8-10. There’s no reason to take teams that don’t bring anything to the table.
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How did YOU celebrate the win?

Funny... I was saying the same thing because a punt from the 3 and only up 5 is worse than a kickoff/punt from the 20 and being up 3.

Thank the Cougar gods that the fuskies were that stupid jump offsides when it really only a "mini-stop" that was needed
I was thinking the same thing, realizing that we’d be kicking with our backup. I was imagining UW starting from the 50 after the free kick.
Good thing they’re undisciplined.

OK so UNLV. WTF?

Colorado has a population of about 6 million, Nevada has about 3 million. Oregon State and Washington State have comparable academics as Colorado State, which is probably much better than UNLV. Finally, Colorado State has been making investments for years in athletics in an effort to move up from the MWC. For example, they have built a new football stadium about 7 years ago.

Jon Wilner and John Canzano podcast, and they talk about UNLV being left out:
Jon and John talk

Oregon State's athletic director talks about the expansion:
Scott Barnes talks

Colorado State's president and athletic director talk about joining the PAC 12
Colorado State is excited to be joining the PAC 12
Shit CSU's President is a babe. Gawd what is she, 38?
Edit - she's 49 or 50. Smoking hot.

OK so UNLV. WTF?

The package deal issue with Nevada is apparently the roadblock, as it should be. Nevada is a wreck of an athletic department. I don't think we should just say yes based on the fact that UNLV makes some sense, because lets face it, if UNLV made a ton of sense they'd be playing in the Big12 by now. UNLV is seemingly a good partner, but not if you have to package them with one of the worst programs in the MWC.

Tulane and Memphis are rumored to be very interested in joining. So is Texas San-Antonio and Texas State. I know they're not big names out here, but they're in big markets. Memphis averages close to 30K/game in football as well. Tulane is around 25K. For comparison's sake, Nevada averages around 15K/game. Texas San-Antonio is pushing 30K/game and Texas State is around 22K. UNLV is averaging 23K and growing.

A lot of people are dismissing attendance, claiming that TV ratings are all that matters, but that's not true. If it were, we'd probably be in the Big12. If we're going to rebuild the conference, we need to be selective. We need to make sure we at least have the best G5 league in the Nation. For starters, take the best 8 teams you can. Add UNLV, Tulane, Memphis or Texas San Antonio. When the ACC blows up, maybe we can merge with their reformed league and have an East/West pod. Mid-level ACC programs average around 30-35K/game.

OK so UNLV. WTF?

Colorado has a population of about 6 million, Nevada has about 3 million. Oregon State and Washington State have comparable academics as Colorado State, which is probably much better than UNLV. Finally, Colorado State has been making investments for years in athletics in an effort to move up from the MWC. For example, they have built a new football stadium about 7 years ago.

Jon Wilner and John Canzano podcast, and they talk about UNLV being left out:
Jon and John talk

Oregon State's athletic director talks about the expansion:
Scott Barnes talks

Colorado State's president and athletic director talk about joining the PAC 12
Colorado State is excited to be joining the PAC 12

How did YOU celebrate the win?

I celebrated by going to the game and then stood and watched as Cougs swarmed the field. The crowd was 57,000 plus and it seemed reasonably close to 50/50. Good game. Cougs made the plays when they had to. We also played far cleaner than the Dogs. Their DB's held all game long but they did get called for it more than the game at the end of last year. Mateer made some good throws and some bad throws but he is a gamer. He is a real threat with his feet. The last minute was odd. I was explaining to my son that since we couldn't run out the clock we should probably take a safety and then kick it to them with around 15 seconds left. But the Huskies solved that by jumping offside twice so the clock got to run some more. Great goal line stand by the D.
Funny... I was saying the same thing because a punt from the 3 and only up 5 is worse than a kickoff/punt from the 20 and being up 3.

Thank the Cougar gods that the fuskies were that stupid jump offsides when it really only a "mini-stop" that was needed

OK so UNLV. WTF?

UNLV is supposedly linked with Nevada and the "state government" (or whatever you want to call it) wants Nevada to be in so they won't have to drop to Big Sky / Independent.

I don't blame them, but Nevada really doesn't have a ton of fans/viewership.

Side note...

The Mountain West will probably make a run to pick University of Montana.

I know it's a weird "backwards" and a lot of money, but I do wonder how close Idaho, Montana, and Montana State are to being able to do the Mountain West.
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OK so UNLV. WTF?

Why were they not invited (yet)? Or were they, and they said no? The UNLV/UNR "package deal" hypothesis is out there but doesn't seem to be the reason - but maybe it was. Regents are saying they didn't deep-six it, they don't know anything apparently.

So WTF happened? UNLV is an absolute no-brainer and should have been the first or second invite. UNLV fans think we dogged them and don't want them. I don't believe that. This needs to be fixed. I dunno who else we will invite, but UNLV HAS TO BE the next one.
Only explanation is that WSU/OSU wanted to keep two seats for Cal & Stanford….although I probably would have taken UNLV over Boise, all things considered.

Feels weird………..

I don't even know why I'm bothering, but:

  • Abilene Christian is semi good? Uh...ok, I guess...if mediocre FCS teams are to be considered semi-good. They were 5-6 last year, and this year they're 2-1 with a 2 point win last week over mighty Northern Colorado. ACU's QB has thrown for 300 yards exactly twice in his career, but had over 500 against TT. He did not break 300 against either of their other opponents this year - West Georgia and the aforementioned Northern Colorado. N. Texas gave up 38 to South Alabama...so 66 to TT sounds about right. But sure...if we want to use those as the measuring sticks to say that Tech is "semi-good" I guess we could. It's kind of the same as going to a little people convention to claim you're tall though.
  • "UW on a scale of 1 to 10, is probably a 5.9, 6.3, 6.5, 6.7, 6.9, 7.3" This statement is broad, abstract, and lacks reference...so is meaningless.
  • We didn't "shut down" Coleman. He had 5.3 yards per carry, which is pretty huge. As for your claim that there were a "semi lot" of plays (whatever the hell that means) where he got less than 2.5, here's the fact: he had 6 carries that were 3 yards or less. Two of those were no gain, and two were losses - including the idiotic option on 4th down that was doomed before he ever touched it, but he gets the stat anyway. He also had 4 carries that went for more than 10. So really, he had a decent day, and we should be glad the UW coaches weren't smart enough to give it to him more.
  • "UW's RB is supposedly semi comparable, semi similar to BSU's RB" Not sure what "semi comparable" means either. They are similar sized, Coleman is 15 lbs heaver, Jeanty is probably faster. Coleman is getting 12-13 carries per game, Jeanty is getting 22. And, Jeanty is averaging 10.2 yards per carry for the season. That is ridiculous. He's going to be the biggest threat we face this season - forget about COleman.
  • "11,12 carries for about 45 yards(14 carries minus 2,3 carries of about 10 to 13 to 15 yards per carry for 2,3 carries equals about 11,12 carries for about 45 yards, for about a 3.5 yards per carry for the rest of the remaining carries)" If I understand this word salad correctly, it means that if an RB has long runs, we shouldn't count them in their stats. So the 63 yards Coleman had on 4 carries don't really mean anything, we should only consider the other 10 carries that only netted 12 yards. Those long runs don't really matter anyway...his 29 yard run in the 3rd led to a FG, but since they didn't win, I guess it was meaningless. I count at least 5 times he ran for first downs, which extended drives. But that's meaningless, it doesn't make a difference in the game.
"It's kind of the same as going to a little people convention to claim you're tall though."

I think the proper term is "semi-tall"!

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