I can't believe after the disaster that was the Wulff era, that the same mindset prevails, though championed by a different group of posters. 600 posts bickering over the virtue of two coaches who combined have won 15 games against BCS competition with the Cougs in 7 years. I am having a tough time coming to grips with the fact that Patrol and I seem to be the only posters who don't give a rat's arse who the coach is, so long he produces. 8 years of endless, and I mean endless, excuses why Wuleach is not to blame. "The cupboad was bare," "it takes time," "a break here a break there," on and on.

We know that the cupboard wasn't exactly bare when Wulff took over. We know that the cupboard wasn't exactly bare when Leach took over (he squeezed 6 wins out of a team full of Wulff recruits). We know from history that it doesn't take the time you are suggesting to rebuild a decimated program, but it does take two good recruiting classes right out of the box and 3-4 years, only rarely does success come after that.

I will start your reasoning for you:

1. The 2015 recruit class is a hotch above (athletic-wise) than past classes.
2.
3.
4.

This is a thought experiment. If you struggle to fill in 2, 3, 4, it's time to start being more demanding of Leach. Successful football programs aren't built on excuses, they are built on a demanding work environments and high expectations.

This site has become dead lately.... No new knews. Same old photo on cover....... what are we paying for at this time.....?

According the Slick Rick. Good read.

http://coachingsearch.com/article?a...he-most-fascinating-practice-Ive-ever-been-to

I thought it was a good hire for them. He has been an assistant at Towson and Rhode Island most recently. I think he was recommended to current Xavier coach Chris Mack by former Xavier coach and current Arizona coach Sean Miller. Murray was a graduate assistant under Murray at Arizona. What do you all think of this hire?

If it makes any difference, Luke's father is named Bill.

Possible. I'd wager a gagillion bucks that the president didn't realize the rest of the sports programs would be placed at risk by having to move out of the C-USA conference. Also there has been a massive surge in donations in order to bring football back. The crazy thing, most football players have left… I'm sure they'll all run as fast as they can to come back… you know with all that admin support. For those that haven't seen it, the second link is the video of the president telling the team that they were cutting the football program… What a shambles.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/05/decision_on_whether_to_bring_b.html

UAB Football Players in Disgust

WSU & CU are a 60-1 "field bet" to win the PAC12. I believe OSU is 500-1 UW 100-1

First, the good news. WSU has made it exponentially easier for season ticket holders to change their seat locations. The online process worked great for me. I was able to move from the Pressbox side over the North side and add an extra seat without issue. Trust me when I say that convenience and WSU ticket ordering have historically never been used in the same sentence.

Now the bad news. I was shocked at how many available seats there are in all sections. I have 5 seats together, so I went into the process yesterday thinking that it was going to be tough to find seating availability in other sections, but there was amply availability.

Stating the obvious here, but we really need to start winning; particularly our home games. We've picked the worst possible time to go into a 10+ year competitive coma. Fan interest state wide is seemingly at a modern day low.

Complications include the fact that every game is now on TV. Fewer fans attend games, and thus they've become even further removed from our program. Add in that we now have 800,000 new Seahawk fans who have eaten away at both ours and UW's fan bases, and the obstacles are even greater. The Seahawk factor is a big deal. Their games, not WSU's or UW's, are what people are highlighting on their weekend calendars.

We have to start winning. Easier said than done, but the corner needs to be turned.

The season is over. Now the real work begins. Make the most of this summer and get a jump on next season.

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So big topic, Biggs brought it up a while back and I'm guessing this is where he was hoping the topic would go. It seems Satellite Camps could be heading out, about the time they really start hitting their stride.

It seems the Pac 12 Conference is looking into "combines" hosted by the conference, in different regional areas in order to make the political quagmire of the satellite camps go away. I like it! Like Scott says in the article linked below, devil is in the details. Like, is it invite only for the recruits? Obviously location for the regional combine will become a hot topic, i.e. here in WA. Of course UW will want it in their back yard. Will that matter to WSU? Those details will be interesting to watch. But overall, I like the ideas. As long as the PAC itself staffs and is in charge of each combine. When a specific school starts getting leeway on certain things, that's what will become the rub. If the PAC wants to do this, they better insure that these combines remain VERY "down the middle". Anything that could even remotely be perceived as favoritism to one school, and it'll kill the whole concept.

BUT I think this also forwards the conference, as a whole, for the recruits in the West. It certainly will make the SEC and others look like old farts stuck in their ways.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...ggests-regional-combines-for-college-football

Washington State assistant Joe Salave'a is expected to swing through Honolulu Kaiser today to check on four-star offensive lineman Michael Eletise.

The season is over. Now the real work begins. Make the most of this summer and get a jump on next season.

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Washington State has landed a verbal commitment from La Mesa (Calif.) Helix inside linebacker Jihad Woods, per a source. The 5-foot-11, 215-pound linebacker was also hearing from Boise State, Washington and San Jose State.

Profile: http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Jihad-Woods-162225

This kid is indeed worth watching. He is a 6'8 205 pd Alaskan Native. He averaged 18 pts .10mrbs and 2.5 blks as a 9th grader.He has a 4.0 GPA. He was Alaska's. POY. The competition is not that good but he has all the tools. As a 7th grader at 6'6 ,he acquitted himself well in a Las Vegas tournament. Perhaps Ernie Kent is on him already. He will be a 2018 recruit and will likely be highly recruited.

Committed and signed by Wisconsin. Van Vliet stated that the coaching staff has assured him that he will play right away. The National runner ups are excited to have him on board. He had also considered the cougs.

Cuonzo Martin has put the finishing touches on an amazing recruiting class with the addition of Jaylen Brown. That class has got to be one of the top ranked classes in CAL history. Two of the top players in the country both 5 star players and two highly regarded 3 star players, ouch!

Rated two stars, so I am guessing he has not been evaluated by Rivals yet. WSU was his first offer, but other schools were beginning to sniff around.

https://rivals.yahoo.com/washingtonstate/football/recruiting/player-Jihad-Woods-162225

It is disappointing to see that Connor was not drafted but maybe it is for the best. Better, in my mind, to be a free agent and select a team where he will fit in than be drafted late by a poor fit. Surely someone will bring in a record setting QB just to see what he is all about. Wish the kid well.

So I'll get this ball rolling.

Positives: I like the "alerts" flag, I like how you can click and go directly to the new responses. The "likes" I think are actually handy. I no longer have to post something, I can just "like" it and everyone gets the point.

Negatives: Holy crap… can we PLEASE get an actual structure of the thread, so we can see whom is responding to whom (without having to quote) and be able to see how/where the thread evolved!!!! If I say pretty, pretty, pretty please will that get an actual thread structure? Even if it's just an option, like the older site? We at least had an option to look at it like this OR a thread.

Thoughts? What is it that is good and bad about this new format for you guys/gals? Our chance, for what it's worth, to let them know what we like, don't like.

Just a bit more info out there.

http://tdn.com/news/state-and-regio...d-b5a1-b7dfa302fdf6.html#.VUffPzHFqvU.twitter

Number of wins by the Cougars? Number of conference wins ??

Post Season ??

Elsie couldn't resist. Hatred so thinly vailed he seems like paper maché. But it's ok, stupid is as stupid does. It's great in a country like this we can have freedom of stupidity.

You say that is it is nonsense to suggest that this team in no better than 2012, on defense. Well then son, in 2012 we gave up 404 points, a dreadful 33.7 pts per game. I predict the over on that in 2015. In 2012 we gave 5111 yards in total offense, a dreadful 425 yards per game. I predict the over on that too. It is a good time to do it because the only player left from the Wulff, "Big Sky" recruiting era is Palacio, so Leach owns this defense. Surely, if Leach is truly recruiting at a Pac-12 level, his kids will mop the floor with the unquestioned sub par recruits that "baffoon" brought in. If I'm right you will concede in all caps, and in bold, that Leach's recruiting has been ... gasp ... bottom rung, like dumb bell, and you will not boast bout how much more talent we have now, until we prove it, objectively, with a 7 win season. (why seven wins, because Leach was able to squeeze 6 wins with a team dominated by Wulff's bottom rung kids). If you are up to the challenge, just let me know what I must do if you are right.

Hopefully, this board will still be around come last November

4star DE had committed to USC. He just de-committed yesterday. His only other offer? WSU. Just an interesting tidbit. Do we have a chance? Who knows but we'll see.

Isaac Garcia

shrug

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