How will recruiting go?

[BiggsCoug]

I think that safety is one of the easiest positions to recruit on the west coast, just in terms of the total number of athletes available who could fill the job.

Cornerback is a whole different situation. If there was a position that justified taking extras to be sure you had enough (as with the O line), CB would seem to be the poster child. Followed by DT.

A 4-2-5 as the primary D makes sense to me for WSU if you are looking from a recruiting perspective. The LB's that fit a 425 don't grow on trees, but you only need 2 of them. DT is DT...always harder to get...but I think the DT you need in a 4 man front is probably a bit easier to find and/or develop than in a 3 man front. I'm not sure if recruiting the right DE for a 4 man front is harder or easier than the right LB for a 425. My gut says the DE types are a bit more prevalent, but I might be wrong about that.

To effectively run a 425 we probably need at least 3 CB's that we can put on the field with confidence; 4 safeties; at least 3 LB's; three DT's and three DE's. That is a total of a minimum of 16 in the 2 deep that can play at any time or situation. Just from what I can tell from last season and what I see on this year's roster, we are probably short 1 CB, 1 safety and 2 DE's. The DE piece is scary. We either need some kids to step up from where they were last year, or one of the new faces needs to be ready early. That can happen at CB; we've had true frosh who were a best choice for the #3 spot at CB before. It is unlikely at the other positions. We need the two JC DE transfers to pan out.

I think WSU probably needs to be taking 3 corners per class now. Maybe one moves to safety.

I also think they probably need to be taking 3 safeties per class too. Maybe one moves to linebacker.

At linebacker, Im looking for mean/nasty/tough/runs like a deer. I am open to how tall they are as long as they hit and put kids down.

On the DL... 6'4" and taller. 230lbs or bigger. Grow them. Get kids into the weight room and get them to 275lbs and can sprint off the ball. The difference between 275 and 300 on kids that age is usually only fat anyways.

If you're gonna go with shorter kids at DT, that's fine. They have to be bruisers. Which I think the kid from Indiana has a shot to be. Speed off the ball, explode hands into the OL, knock em back and get off blocks to run.

The biggest things WSU needs to do to maximize kids is #1... stay in school. Don't lose guys to flunk out, drunk out, drug out, beating people up or poor behavior in general... #2... you have got to get them as strong as possible and as fast as possible as soon as possible. Look at what Saban does. If you're not a 2 deep kid by your 3rd year... you're down the road. There isn't gonna be a 4th or 5th year kid that comes out of nowhere at Bama. They know who you are gonna be by 3 years in their program. If you're not contributing, you will be contributing somewhere else. It's a tough thing to do but you can't have kids tying up money. You need to be taking a full 25 or as close to 25 as you can get every year.

 

[spongeworthy12]

I think WSU probably needs to be taking 3 corners per class now. Maybe one moves to safety.

I also think they probably need to be taking 3 safeties per class too. Maybe one moves to linebacker.

At linebacker, Im looking for mean/nasty/tough/runs like a deer. I am open to how tall they are as long as they hit and put kids down.

On the DL... 6'4" and taller. 230lbs or bigger. Grow them. Get kids into the weight room and get them to 275lbs and can sprint off the ball. The difference between 275 and 300 on kids that age is usually only fat anyways.

If you're gonna go with shorter kids at DT, that's fine. They have to be bruisers. Which I think the kid from Indiana has a shot to be. Speed off the ball, explode hands into the OL, knock em back and get off blocks to run.

The biggest things WSU needs to do to maximize kids is #1... stay in school. Don't lose guys to flunk out, drunk out, drug out, beating people up or poor behavior in general... #2... you have got to get them as strong as possible and as fast as possible as soon as possible. Look at what Saban does. If you're not a 2 deep kid by your 3rd year... you're down the road. There isn't gonna be a 4th or 5th year kid that comes out of nowhere at Bama. They know who you are gonna be by 3 years in their program. If you're not contributing, you will be contributing somewhere else. It's a tough thing to do but you can't have kids tying up money. You need to be taking a full 25 or as close to 25 as you can get every year.

Put them on the Bulgarian program.

Max lifts 3 times a day...every day in the off season.

Any mental or physical softness will all but disappear.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Put them on the Bulgarian program.

Max lifts 3 times a day...every day in the off season.

Any mental or physical softness will all but disappear.

There is a guy in PA that is, IMO, the best strength coach in the nation. His account is Garage Strength on instagram.

He has 12 year olds doing Oly lifts. He takes random people from his local community and makes them beasts. I have never seen a strength coach get people so strong, so fast, so efficiently and teach them Oly lifts so well. He is a Power 5 strength coach in the making. If you want to take 2 and 3 star kids and turn them into NFL prospects, he is the guy. Give him 4 and 5 star kids and he will make them HOF'ers.

The ability to maximize the talent and capacity of a kid as quickly as possible is what makes coaches great.

 

[etowncoug]

Hope your daughter is well.

Thank you for admitting you will be wrong.

About the Bet thing. I'm sorry its taken this long. But for 1,2 days I was extremely busy helping to take care of my 1 year old baby girl.

Also I spent 1 day scouring the internet trying to find anything that would back Brandon Huffman up.

I didnt find hardly anything.

If McCarron did tell Brandon Huffman, that he is a Virginia Lean, then he told Huffman not to say something like "McCarron told me that he is a lean to Virginia", and is keeping it under the vest, secretive, so to speak, because there is NOTHING out there even hinting that McCarron said anything that backs up Huffman.

But that said here is what I did find.

1. Virginia Tech is tied with WSU as unofficial favorite, because ONE of McCarron's favorite coaches that used to coach McCarron, is according to the source I read, now coaching at Virginia Tech.

2. I found this on CBS Sports using 247 as source

He broke down his top six with 247Sports.

Boise State: "I really like the coach staff, specifically the linebacker group. They’ve reached out a ton and I just love what I’m seeing with their program."

Cal: "They we’re first to offer and have done a great job showing me an awesome campus and student-athlete lifestyle at one of the most prestigious schools in the world."

Northwestern: "I’ve grown to have a great relationship with them as they were the first school to ever reach out. I love the Chicago area and want to get back out there."

Virginia: "They have an incredible staff that has shown me that UVA’s culture is different from all schools in the country. Their defense fits my skill set well."

Virginia Tech: "Probably my favorite fan base I’ve seen so far. They just always bring the energy in everything and I love that."

Washington State: "I do firmly believe they’ll be contending for championships soon with the way they’re recruiting. They’re great a building relationships and I’m excited to see what’s in store there."

3. Brandon Huff isnt the only one crystall balling McCarron to Virginia, 6 other experts are saying he is going to Virginia, but again there is NOTHING backing them up.

So why are the experts projecting McCarron to Virginia?

Either McCarron SECRETIVELY is telling them Virginia is his favorite, which I doubt that he is doing that

Or

The experts read what McCarron said in his Breakdown, and probably thought: "Hmm McCarron said that Virginia's staff is INCREDIBLE, etc. Since Virginia is the biggest, best college in his top 6, combined with how incredible Virginia is to McCarron, Virginia has to be the Favorite"

And they are probably ignoring things like McCarron's favorite coach at Virginia Tech, and McCarron being WSU fan, sister at WSU, etc.

I know that if I was a expert, and wasnt aware of McCarron being a WSU fan, or his favorite coach at Virginia Tech, and only based on what McCarron said in his breakdown about Virginia, and since Virginia is a bigger College, I would probably say Virginia was, is the favorite if I was a expert too in that kind of situation.

So here is how I see it.

McCarron is probably going to go to:

1. WSU: He is a WSU fan. His sister goes to WSU

2. Virginia Tech: Right on Heels of WSU. His favorite coach is at Virginia Tech, so wouldnt surprise me if McCarron went there instead of WSU.

3. Virginia. I do agree with the Experts reasoning that if you dont know, ignore what WSU, Virginia Tech got going for them, and only go by McCarron saying Virginia's staff, culture INCREDIBLE, and Virginia being the biggest College in top 6, that Virginia would be the favorite, if not for WSU, Virginia Tech.

So about the bet.

I still think I am right, and that WSU is still the unofficial favorite.

But its a closer then I thought.

Virginia Tech especially makes me nervous about WSU's chances.

And altho Virginia is number 3, behind WSU, and Virginia Tech, it would not surprise me if McCarron went there because of how INCREDIBLE he says Virginia is.

That makes taking the bet RISKIER. There is about a 13% to 33% chance that I could end up being wrong, McCarron could go to Virginia, and I end up losing the bet.

People get hit by lightning with less then 1% chance.

Just too risky.

If it was a lot lesser chance, then I would take the bet.

So I am turning down the bet.

But I still think I am right.

And if I am wrong. I will admit to being wrong.

Also I am not going by my knowledge. I am going by what I have found out, read in various articles, sources.

I am not a EXPERT, and because of that, I have to go by articles, sources, etc. And without those sources, I wouldnt think that WSU is the favorite, followed by Virginia Tech.

 

[dgibbons]

It is going great. discovered he moved Bartilone from the right side to the left, found out he moved Cracraft from outside in high school to inside. discovered he moved falk from behind center to teh shogun, and several right guards in high school to the left side and vice versa.

How many yards per catch did Jalen Thompson average his senior year? How many carries did Tay Martin have in HS?

 

[kougkurt]

Hope your daughter is well.

Thank you for admitting you will be wrong.

We will find out today

 

[CougEd]

How many yards per catch did Jalen Thompson average his senior year? How many carries did Tay Martin have in HS?

Haven’t made it past the “Ls” of the roster .

 

[mikalalas]

We will find out today

What time today?

 

[kougkurt]

3:00 on his insta

 

[dgibbons]

Haven’t made it past the “Ls” of the roster .

Oh. So you noticed that Brown was an all-league receiver as a junior. That Djbril was a LB. Fifita was projected as a DE.

 

[CougEd]

Oh. So you noticed that Brown was an all-league receiver as a junior. That Djbril was a LB. Fifita was projected as a DE.

Hmmm...when i get back from running stairs I will make sure I go back over my notes and see how I missed those. The i would probably open up a data base and see how many others recruited Brown as a receiver vs a DB.

But maybe your point is that Price just got player with higher upside to switch and maybe lower downside as well. But keep researching ...

 

[kougkurt]

3:00 on his insta

He’s going to Virginia

 

[dgibbons]

Hmmm...when i get back from running stairs I will make sure I go back over my notes and see how I missed those. The i would probably open up a data base and see how many others recruited Brown as a receiver vs a DB.

But maybe your point is that Price just got player with higher upside to switch and maybe lower downside as well. But keep researching ...

My point is that you have no point. In other words, the usual.

 

[etowncoug]

He’s going to Virginia

It's almost like Huffman knew a thing or two when he told us Virginia.

 

[fingerdisco]

He’s going to Virginia

So I guess UVA beat the odds—what were they, 17% to 22% chance he’d pick them?

 

[mikalalas]

So I guess UVA beat the odds—what were they, 17% to 22% chance he’d pick them?

I was wrong, but I had every reason to think I was right, going by the articles, sources I read, which steered me wrong.

There was ABSOLUTELY NOTHING backing up experts predicting him to Virginia.

I SCOURED the internet for 2, TWO days, and Still NOTHING.

Heck I even went to every UVA site on the internet, figuring they might know something.

Nope. All they had was a basic announcement that UVA was in McCarron's top 6.

Also have any of you found anything that backed up the experts. Something like: "McCarron told me that he is leaning to Virginia"?

Think about it LOGICALLY based on the facts, logic.

I. I read in a article by a 247 type, that He was a WSU fan. His Parents went to WSU, his SISTER is a freshman at WSU.

That would seem to trump a prediction by the experts, where there is NOTHING on the internet backing that up.

2. Only Michigan, and Virginia Tech could Trump WSU, as McCarron said that he has always wanted to play at, for Michigan(But they didnt offer him), and a article online said that McCarron had a Coach that coached him at Virginia Tech.

That would seem to trump Virginia, as McCarron has CONNECTIONS to WSU, Virginia Tech, and NO CONNECTIONS to Virginia.

Like I said either McCarron was KEEPING things ULTRA SECRETIVE, and SECRETLY told the experts that he was going to Virginia(Doubt that's the case), as there is nothing online to back up, suggest that he said something like that to experts.

Or

The experts likely looked at what McCarron said in his breakdown, about UVA's staff, culture, school being INCREDIBLE(He said similar comments about WSU, Cal, VTech), COMBINED with Virginia being a bigger, more prestigous college, and based on that said Virginia was the Likely Favorite.

So based on the facts, logic, CONNECTIONS that McCarron had to WSU(FAN, sister), and VTECH(his coach), there was probably only about a 43% chance at best that McCarron would goto Virginia over WSU, VTECH.

The experts just got lucky and beat the facts, logic, odds.

Like I said THERE WAS NOTHING ONLINE THAT SCOURED FOR DAYS ONLINE, ETC, THAT BACKED UP THE EXPERTS.

But the was plenty of articles, sources, facts, logic, etc, that I read that backed up WSU, VTECH.

As to why he chose Virginia, over his CONNECTIONS to WSU, VTECH, is that he was IMPRESSED, thought that UVA, staff, coaches, culture was INCREDIBLE, according to his breakdown.

But then again he said similar things about WSU, etc.

As to why McCarron didnt say anything publically like that he was leaning to UVA, he was probably trying to be a nice guy, be classy, not scare anybody away, keep his options open until the last second.

So experts got lucky.

And I was wrong.

And I had very good reasons to think I was right.

As I said before, I am not a expert, so I have to go by facts, logic, articles, sources, etc.

If they lead me wrong, I'm gona be wrong as well

The articles, sources, etc, were wrong.

And I am wrong as well because of that.

 

[etowncoug]

You were wrong because you made a choice to ignore readily available information. Stuff other posters and myself provided to you. How come you couldn't connect the dots when everyone else was able to?

You decided McCarrons family ties to WSU combined with the fact he had made a visit made him a likely Coug. All other information contrary to this conclusion was willfully ignored. Recruiting experts with over 20 years of experience were called homers. Folks who commented it didn't look good were branded as negacougs. Pointing out most of the schools on his list had great academic reputations and were a long way away from Everett was disregarded. All because you decided he'd come to WSU based on him liking Pullman on an unofficial and family ties.

Stop doubling down on a thought process which led to a predictably bad result.

I was wrong, but I had every reason to think I was right, going by the articles, sources I read, which steered me wrong.

There was ABSOLUTELY NOTHING backing up experts predicting him to Virginia.

I SCOURED the internet for 2, TWO days, and Still NOTHING.

Heck I even went to every UVA site on the internet, figuring they might know something.

Nope. All they had was a basic announcement that UVA was in McCarron's top 6.

Also have any of you found anything that backed up the experts. Something like: "McCarron told me that he is leaning to Virginia"?

Think about it LOGICALLY based on the facts, logic.

I. I read in a article by a 247 type, that He was a WSU fan. His Parents went to WSU, his SISTER is a freshman at WSU.

That would seem to trump a prediction by the experts, where there is NOTHING on the internet backing that up.

2. Only Michigan, and Virginia Tech could Trump WSU, as McCarron said that he has always wanted to play at, for Michigan(But they didnt offer him), and a article online said that McCarron had a Coach that coached him at Virginia Tech.

That would seem to trump Virginia, as McCarron has CONNECTIONS to WSU, Virginia Tech, and NO CONNECTIONS to Virginia.

Like I said either McCarron was KEEPING things ULTRA SECRETIVE, and SECRETLY told the experts that he was going to Virginia(Doubt that's the case), as there is nothing online to back up, suggest that he said something like that to experts.

Or

The experts likely looked at what McCarron said in his breakdown, about UVA's staff, culture, school being INCREDIBLE(He said similar comments about WSU, Cal, VTech), COMBINED with Virginia being a bigger, more prestigous college, and based on that said Virginia was the Likely Favorite.

So based on the facts, logic, CONNECTIONS that McCarron had to WSU(FAN, sister), and VTECH(his coach), there was probably only about a 43% chance at best that McCarron would goto Virginia over WSU, VTECH.

The experts just got lucky and beat the facts, logic, odds.

Like I said THERE WAS NOTHING ONLINE THAT SCOURED FOR DAYS ONLINE, ETC, THAT BACKED UP THE EXPERTS.

But the was plenty of articles, sources, facts, logic, etc, that I read that backed up WSU, VTECH.

As to why he chose Virginia, over his CONNECTIONS to WSU, VTECH, is that he was IMPRESSED, thought that UVA, staff, coaches, culture was INCREDIBLE, according to his breakdown.

But then again he said similar things about WSU, etc.

As to why McCarron didnt say anything publically like that he was leaning to UVA, he was probably trying to be a nice guy, be classy, not scare anybody away, keep his options open until the last second.

So experts got lucky.

And I was wrong.

And I had very good reasons to think I was right.

As I said before, I am not a expert, so I have to go by facts, logic, articles, sources, etc.

If they lead me wrong, I'm gona be wrong as well

The articles, sources, etc, were wrong.

And I am wrong as well because of that.

 

[fingerdisco]

I was wrong, but I had every reason to think I was right, going by the articles, sources I read, which steered me wrong.

There was ABSOLUTELY NOTHING backing up experts predicting him to Virginia.

I SCOURED the internet for 2, TWO days, and Still NOTHING.

Heck I even went to every UVA site on the internet, figuring they might know something.

Nope. All they had was a basic announcement that UVA was in McCarron's top 6.

Also have any of you found anything that backed up the experts. Something like: "McCarron told me that he is leaning to Virginia"?

Think about it LOGICALLY based on the facts, logic.

I. I read in a article by a 247 type, that He was a WSU fan. His Parents went to WSU, his SISTER is a freshman at WSU.

That would seem to trump a prediction by the experts, where there is NOTHING on the internet backing that up.

2. Only Michigan, and Virginia Tech could Trump WSU, as McCarron said that he has always wanted to play at, for Michigan(But they didnt offer him), and a article online said that McCarron had a Coach that coached him at Virginia Tech.

That would seem to trump Virginia, as McCarron has CONNECTIONS to WSU, Virginia Tech, and NO CONNECTIONS to Virginia.

Like I said either McCarron was KEEPING things ULTRA SECRETIVE, and SECRETLY told the experts that he was going to Virginia(Doubt that's the case), as there is nothing online to back up, suggest that he said something like that to experts.

Or

The experts likely looked at what McCarron said in his breakdown, about UVA's staff, culture, school being INCREDIBLE(He said similar comments about WSU, Cal, VTech), COMBINED with Virginia being a bigger, more prestigous college, and based on that said Virginia was the Likely Favorite.

So based on the facts, logic, CONNECTIONS that McCarron had to WSU(FAN, sister), and VTECH(his coach), there was probably only about a 43% chance at best that McCarron would goto Virginia over WSU, VTECH.

The experts just got lucky and beat the facts, logic, odds.

Like I said THERE WAS NOTHING ONLINE THAT SCOURED FOR DAYS ONLINE, ETC, THAT BACKED UP THE EXPERTS.

But the was plenty of articles, sources, facts, logic, etc, that I read that backed up WSU, VTECH.

As to why he chose Virginia, over his CONNECTIONS to WSU, VTECH, is that he was IMPRESSED, thought that UVA, staff, coaches, culture was INCREDIBLE, according to his breakdown.

But then again he said similar things about WSU, etc.

As to why McCarron didnt say anything publically like that he was leaning to UVA, he was probably trying to be a nice guy, be classy, not scare anybody away, keep his options open until the last second.

So experts got lucky.

And I was wrong.

And I had very good reasons to think I was right.

As I said before, I am not a expert, so I have to go by facts, logic, articles, sources, etc.

If they lead me wrong, I'm gona be wrong as well

The articles, sources, etc, were wrong.

And I am wrong as well because of that.

Sorry, what was that again?

Kidding...but honestly, I don’t understand your investment in your prediction. He didn’t pick WSU, big deal. Have some faith that Rolovich and staff are out there busting their asses to get the best kids they can.

 

[mikalalas]

You were wrong because you made a choice to ignore readily available information. Stuff other posters and myself provided to you. How come you couldn't connect the dots when everyone else was able to?

You decided McCarrons family ties to WSU combined with the fact he had made a visit made him a likely Coug. All other information contrary to this conclusion was willfully ignored. Recruiting experts with over 20 years of experience were called homers. Folks who commented it didn't look good were branded as negacougs. Pointing out most of the schools on his list had great academic reputations and were a long way away from Everett was disregarded. All because you decided he'd come to WSU based on him liking Pullman on an unofficial and family ties.

Stop doubling down on a thought process which led to a predictably bad result.

You didnt post anything to support him going to Virginia, other then because the "Experts said so"

And you didnt back up the experts with anything, other then the experts said so.

What part of THERE WAS, IS NOTHING ON THE INTERNET SAYING SOMETHING LIKE "He said he is a lean to Virginia", do you NOT understand"

Like I said, I SCOURED THE WHOLE INTERNET FOR DAYS, INCLUDING ALL VIRGINIA SITES, AND THERE WAS STILL NOTHING THAT BACKED UP THE EXPERTS

WHAT PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

A 247 LIKE ARTICLE SAID PARAPHRASED: "THAT HE MCCARRON IS A WSU FAN, HIS PARENTS WENT TO WSU, HIS SISTER IS A FRESHMAN AT WSU"

THAT IS A ABSOLUTE TRUTH, FACT, PERIOD.

In light of that FACT.

IF you are a fan of WSU, and your sister was a freshman at WSU, wouldnt you logically favor going to WSU over Virginia?

And if so, going by that same kind of logic, wouldnt McCarron also a Fan of WSU, sister at WSU, shouldnt WSU be considered the favorite?

If you say no, MR SPOCK would call you ILLOGICAL.

And its not just WSU.

Another 247 like article said that MCCARRON HAD A FORMER COACH OF HIS at Virginia Tech.

So again the question WHY would a recruit choose a College that HAVE NO CONNECTIONS to over 2 other colleges(VTECH, WSU), that does have CONNECTIONS TO?

SPOCKIAN LOGICALLY THE COLLEGES THAT HAVE THE CONNECTIONS ARE GOING TO BE FAVORED OVER THE COLLEGES THAT HAVE NO CONNECTIONS WITH THE RECRUIT.

THE ONLY WAY MR SPOCK WOULD HAVE SIDED WITH THE EXPERTS, IS IF THERE WAS SOMETHING LIKE SAYING SOMETHING LIKE "McCarron said he is a lean to Virginia"

Otherwise Mr Spock is going to side with the Colleges that have connections to the recruit, like VTECH, WSU, ETC, over those with NO CONNECTIONS, like Virginia, etc.

So where is the back up of the experts.

There isnt back up of the experts.

And you saying you did post back up of the experts is either you lying, or your wrong.

You didnt post anything like "He said he is a lean", backing up the experts.

All you did was offer CONJECTURE, that MAYBE McCarron supposedly might have told the experts that he a lean to Virginia.

But NOTHING like that was found on the internet.

Only your conjecture.

So I challenge you, to find anything like a expert saying "He McCarron told me he a lean to Virginia.

The experts didnt offer any reason, thing, backing them up, all they the experts did was predict, project McCarron to Virginia with nothing to back it up.

At least I had things backing up my prediction, unlike the experts.

At least I went by a MAJOR RECRUITING SERVICE LIKE A 247, ARTICLE that said that McCarron was a fan of WSU, and had a sister at WSU, and that VTech has a former coach of McCarron at VTECH.

The experts had nothing.

The only way the experts could have had something, anything backing them up, is IF McCarron SECRETIVELY told them, that he was a Lean to Virginia, and then asked them not to say that.

While its theoretically possible that coukd have happened, I DOUBT IT.

MORE LIKELY:

The experts saw McCarron say that UVA, staff, players, coaches, college, culture in INCREDIBLE in his breakdown of his Top 6, even though he said the same kind of things about WSU, VTECH, CAL, ETC, AND PROBABLY THOUGHT THAT COMBINED WITH VIRGINIA BEING A MORE PRESTIGOUS COLLEGE MAKES VIRGINIA THE FAVORITE.

THAT IS WHAT LIKELY HAPPENED.

AS MR SPOCK SAYS YOUR BEING ILLOGICAL.

 

[spongeworthy12]

You didnt post anything to support him going to Virginia, other then because the "Experts said so"

And you didnt back up the experts with anything, other then the experts said so.

What part of THERE WAS, IS NOTHING ON THE INTERNET SAYING SOMETHING LIKE "He said he is a lean to Virginia", do you NOT understand"

Like I said, I SCOURED THE WHOLE INTERNET FOR DAYS, INCLUDING ALL VIRGINIA SITES, AND THERE WAS STILL NOTHING THAT BACKED UP THE EXPERTS

WHAT PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

A 247 LIKE ARTICLE SAID PARAPHRASED: "THAT HE MCCARRON IS A WSU FAN, HIS PARENTS WENT TO WSU, HIS SISTER IS A FRESHMAN AT WSU"

THAT IS A ABSOLUTE TRUTH, FACT, PERIOD.

In light of that FACT.

IF you are a fan of WSU, and your sister was a freshman at WSU, wouldnt you logically favor going to WSU over Virginia?

And if so, going by that same kind of logic, wouldnt McCarron also a Fan of WSU, sister at WSU, shouldnt WSU be considered the favorite?

If you say no, MR SPOCK would call you ILLOGICAL.

And its not just WSU.

Another 247 like article said that MCCARRON HAD A FORMER COACH OF HIS at Virginia Tech.

So again the question WHY would a recruit choose a College that HAVE NO CONNECTIONS to over 2 other colleges(VTECH, WSU), that does have CONNECTIONS TO?

SPOCKIAN LOGICALLY THE COLLEGES THAT HAVE THE CONNECTIONS ARE GOING TO BE FAVORED OVER THE COLLEGES THAT HAVE NO CONNECTIONS WITH THE RECRUIT.

THE ONLY WAY MR SPOCK WOULD HAVE SIDED WITH THE EXPERTS, IS IF THERE WAS SOMETHING LIKE SAYING SOMETHING LIKE "McCarron said he is a lean to Virginia"

Otherwise Mr Spock is going to side with the Colleges that have connections to the recruit, like VTECH, WSU, ETC, over those with NO CONNECTIONS, like Virginia, etc.

So where is the back up of the experts.

There isnt back up of the experts.

And you saying you did post back up of the experts is either you lying, or your wrong.

You didnt post anything like "He said he is a lean", backing up the experts.

All you did was offer CONJECTURE, that MAYBE McCarron supposedly might have told the experts that he a lean to Virginia.

But NOTHING like that was found on the internet.

Only your conjecture.

So I challenge you, to find anything like a expert saying "He McCarron told me he a lean to Virginia.

The experts didnt offer any reason, thing, backing them up, all they the experts did was predict, project McCarron to Virginia with nothing to back it up.

At least I had things backing up my prediction, unlike the experts.

At least I went by a MAJOR RECRUITING SERVICE LIKE A 247, ARTICLE that said that McCarron was a fan of WSU, and had a sister at WSU, and that VTech has a former coach of McCarron at VTECH.

The experts had nothing.

The only way the experts could have had something, anything backing them up, is IF McCarron SECRETIVELY told them, that he was a Lean to Virginia, and then asked them not to say that.

While its theoretically possible that coukd have happened, I DOUBT IT.

MORE LIKELY:

The experts saw McCarron say that UVA, staff, players, coaches, college, culture in INCREDIBLE in his breakdown of his Top 6, even though he said the same kind of things about WSU, VTECH, CAL, ETC, AND PROBABLY THOUGHT THAT COMBINED WITH VIRGINIA BEING A MORE PRESTIGOUS COLLEGE MAKES VIRGINIA THE FAVORITE.

THAT IS WHAT LIKELY HAPPENED.

AS MR SPOCK SAYS YOUR BEING ILLOGICAL.

Damn dude...leave some bandwidth for us other folk.

 

[PeteTheChop]

How come you couldn't connect the dots when everyone else was able to?

In defense of Mikalas, I think both Brand X and Brand Y indicated that WSU was in good shape for Josh McCarron's commitment.

 

[Coug1990]

In defense of Mikalas, I think both Brand X and Brand Y indicated that WSU was in good shape for Josh McCarron's commitment.

Brand X was also the first to come out and say he was was likely going to Virginia. They got new information and made the correct call.

 

[etowncoug]

In defense of Mikalas, I think both Brand X and Brand Y indicated that WSU was in good shape for Josh McCarron's commitment.

Until Huffman, Biggens, and 5 other recruiting experts had him going to Virginia. Obviously someone knew something. Tried explaining this to word salad and he kept saying it was WSU because of family ties.

I think Rolo gets things figured out but I'm going to wait for results before I crown the guy a better recruiter than Leach.

 

[PeteTheChop]

Thanks for the clarification 1990 and E-town.

I think both Brand X and Brand Y were least initially pretty bullish on McCarron going Crimson.

Didn't know they changed their predictions as I hadn't visited either site the last few days.

 

[425cougfan]

Boy, I'm shocked. Next you're going to tell me we aren't going to land any of the *ten* 4-stars (on Brand X -- 7 on Rivals) or better in Washington in the 2021 class, even with a pandemic cutting in favor of players staying closer to home.

 

[Coug1990]

Thanks for the clarification 1990 and E-town.

I think both Brand X and Brand Y were least initially pretty bullish on McCarron going Crimson.

Didn't know they changed their predictions as I hadn't visited either site the last few days.

They were, but most of us were trying to read the tea leaves with the connections he had to WSU. But, I am guessing the more talks they had with him, they more they understood that he wanted to go to Virginia.

 

[mikalalas]

Sorry, what was that again?

Kidding...but honestly, I don’t understand your investment in your prediction. He didn’t pick WSU, big deal. Have some faith that Rolovich and staff are out there busting their asses to get the best kids they can.

Your partially right.

But this has nothing to do with whether McCarron is going to go to WSU or not.

Your right the kid made his decision. No big deal, and Rolo will probably be just fine.

Altho I will say that if Rolo cant get what should have been a Slam Dunk in McCarron, since he was a Fan of WSU, sister at WSU, then that may not bode well for getting any of the top 3 star, 4 star, top 10, top 13, top 15, etc, talent in state this year.

But Rolo will probably get by.

But what I was saying after McCarron committed to Virginia, was about trying to get thru to Mr Illogical, that, my prediction was based on fact, logic, that I had things backing me up.

And that the experts got Lucky, because tbey didnt have anything backing them up, and that I searched for days online, and all the Virginia sites, etc, and there was NOTHING, and that the experts probably just predicted Virginia, simply because it Virginia is the more prestigous then WSU, VTECH, College.

 

[mikalalas]

They were, but most of us were trying to read the tea leaves with the connections he had to WSU. But, I am guessing the more talks they had with him, they more they understood that he wanted to go to Virginia.

The problem is there is NOTHING to back tbe experts up online. I searched for anything backing them up for DAYS and found nothing.

The experts probably just predicted Virginia because Virginia is the more Prestigous College.

It would be like if Alabama was in his top 6.

Even if there were to be nothing about him wanting to goto Alabama the Experts would predict Alabama over WSU.

If there had been 1 schred of anything backing up experts, I would have gone by thr experts.

We cant just ASSume that the experts are right because they say they are, and cant ASSume that the experts talked to him, and that he told them he was interested in Virginia.

If that had happened it would be there to find, and it isnt there.

So because of that, because there is nothing to back up the experts then have to assume that the experts didnt talk to him, and didnt have him tell them he was interested in Virginia, and that the experts are just predicting the most Alabama like, most prestigous College.

The experts just got lucky.

If it wasnt luck, there would be something, anything backing them up, and there isnt anything. They have nothing backing them up.

So it was just luck on the experts part.

 

[mikalalas]

Boy, I'm shocked. Next you're going to tell me we aren't going to land any of the *ten* 4-stars (on Brand X -- 7 on Rivals) or better in Washington in the 2021 class, even with a pandemic cutting in favor of players staying closer to home.

Before McCarron commited to Virginia, I would think that WSU would at worst case scenario get at least 1 4 star, out of the top 10, or just outside the top 10, as that would be pretty lame, rediculous for Rolo, WSU, to not get at least 1 out if such a once in hundred years BANNER class, and since everybody in WA was DEMANDING that WSU recruit WA more, and since WSU, Rolo is recruiting WA more, etc.

But if Rolo cant close what should have been a SLAM DUNK in McCarron, then that may not bode well for getting any of the 3,4 stars in WA.

Now maybe Alexander and Tinua, Tinae, 1 of them might commit to WSU.

But for them to commit and McCarron to not commit, would be pretty strange.

Regardless, I think Rolo will be fine, but maybe his job will be even harder.

 

[CougEd]

My point is that you have no point. In other words, the usual.

For someone who realizes I have no point you certainly put effort following someone who has no point .

 

[fingerdisco]

Your partially right.

But this has nothing to do with whether McCarron is going to go to WSU or not.

Your right the kid made his decision. No big deal, and Rolo will probably be just fine.

Altho I will say that if Rolo cant get what should have been a Slam Dunk in McCarron, since he was a Fan of WSU, sister at WSU, then that may not bode well for getting any of the top 3 star, 4 star, top 10, top 13, top 15, etc, talent in state this year.

But Rolo will probably get by.

But what I was saying after McCarron committed to Virginia, was about trying to get thru to Mr Illogical, that, my prediction was based on fact, logic, that I had things backing me up.

And that the experts got Lucky, because tbey didnt have anything backing them up, and that I searched for days online, and all the Virginia sites, etc, and there was NOTHING, and that the experts probably just predicted Virginia, simply because it Virginia is the more prestigous then WSU, VTECH, College.

The kid had offers from most of the Ivy League schools along with Cal, Uva, etc. it’s not a leap of faith to conclude academics were going to be an important factor in his decision.

 

[mikalalas]

The kid had offers from most of the Ivy League schools along with Cal, Uva, etc. it’s not a leap of faith to conclude academics were going to be an important factor in his decision.

Yeah its obvious that academics played a factor.

But still there was nothing like:

"McCarron told me he is a lean to Virginia"

or

" McCarron told me that he a Lean to Virginia because of its academics"

There wasnt anything even remotely even far from that, let alone remotely close to being close to something like that.

If there had been either Ibwould have found it, or someone else would have found it and posted it, if nothing else just to refute what I said.

I'm sure that Academics, and the fact that Virginia is a more PRESTIGOUS College, is why the experts predicted Virginia.

But if Virginia had not been in top 6, and if Alabama had been in top 6, the experts wpuld have predicted Alabama over WSU because Alabama is a more PRESTIGOUS college with better academics then WSU.

The experts had nothing backing them up.

The experts made their guess, prediction with nothing to back it up, based only on that Virginia was the more PRESTIGOUS, and got lucky that their guess, prediction ended up luckily right for them.

 

[mikalalas]

Question, Are you a WSU Coug Fan, or can you be a WSU coug fan, or if you tell everyone, family(who are also supposedly WSU fans, sister at WSU), coaches, players, friends, media, etc, that you are a BIG WSU coug fan, and then choose to goto another college, instead of WSU, were you, or are you a WSU coug fan?

Going by that is McCarron a WSU coug fan like he, friends, family, coaches, players, media, cat, etc, says he is.

I dont know for sure, but I either think he is not a WSU fan, or not one anymore, or used to be, or that if he is a WSU Fan, semi betrayed what it means to be a WSU coug fan.

Any True WSU coug fan would choose WSU over another college.

This is not sour grapes over McCarron as much as it is about the question about whether a WSU coug fan is a WSU coug fan if they choose another college over WSU.

As Etown has said there have been a lot of kids, sources claiming that a kid is a WSU coug fan, but then the kid chooses to goto another college.

In my book good luck to those kids, but in my book they are either not WSU coug fans or are WSU fans no longer.

Just curious what anybody else thinks about this.

 

[etowncoug]

Washington has been selling the same BS long enough that people believe it. The perception is one of elite academics and blue blood athletics. Kids with potential are pushed either toward UW or encouraged to explore out of state options. Not so much in non major sports, but in football? Absolutely.

I've grown accustomed to it being more difficult to recruit in state than it is to pull a guy you connect with from somewhere else.

Question, Are you a WSU Coug Fan, or can you be a WSU coug fan, or if you tell everyone, family(who are also supposedly WSU fans, sister at WSU), coaches, players, friends, media, etc, that you are a BIG WSU coug fan, and then choose to goto another college, instead of WSU, were you, or are you a WSU coug fan?

Going by that is McCarron a WSU coug fan like he, friends, family, coaches, players, media, cat, etc, says he is.

I dont know for sure, but I either think he is not a WSU fan, or not one anymore, or used to be, or that if he is a WSU Fan, semi betrayed what it means to be a WSU coug fan.

Any True WSU coug fan would choose WSU over another college.

This is not sour grapes over McCarron as much as it is about the question about whether a WSU coug fan is a WSU coug fan if they choose another college over WSU.

As Etown has said there have been a lot of kids, sources claiming that a kid is a WSU coug fan, but then the kid chooses to goto another college.

In my book good luck to those kids, but in my book they are either not WSU coug fans or are WSU fans no longer.

Just curious what anybody else thinks about this.

 

[mikalalas]

Washington has been selling the same BS long enough that people believe it. The perception is one of elite academics and blue blood athletics. Kids with potential are pushed either toward UW or encouraged to explore out of state options. Not so much in non major sports, but in football? Absolutely.

I've grown accustomed to it being more difficult to recruit in state than it is to pull a guy you connect with from somewhere else.

That didnt answer the question.

That said:

If the state of WA wants to push that BS, that's ok in a way, as long as dont demand that WSU recruit 1 star, 1.5 star, 2 star, 2.5 star, NR, whitworth, idaho, big sky, mountain west kids, from WA, and not, or stop recruiting 3,4,5 stars from outside WA.

If WA is going to demand that WSU recruit WA, then dont HYPOCRITICALLY demand that WSU recruit WA, while backstabbing WSU, and sending all the 2.5 star, 3 stars, 4 stars, etc, to either UW, or out of state.

Instead just push that BS, send the talented kids to UW, out of state, WA belongs to UW, out of state, and WSU doesnt waste rime recruiting WA, and only recruits out of state.

If going to demand that WSU recruit WA, then had better well tell the talented kids to commit, sign, play at WSU.

 

[etowncoug]

At the end of the day, who cares? WA coaches are going to pump up their kids to create buzz. It's part of the job to get as many schools as possible visiting campus to take a look at the kids. They are supposed to be somewhat hypocritical.

Our coaches need to do due diligence by visiting as many schools as possible, taking a look at the kids who can play P5 and quickly determine who has serious interest. Local coaches will complain, but we won't waste our time on kids we are longshots for.

That didnt answer the question.

That said:

If the state of WA wants to push that BS, that's ok in a way, as long as dont demand that WSU recruit 1 star, 1.5 star, 2 star, 2.5 star, NR, whitworth, idaho, big sky, mountain west kids, from WA, and not, or stop recruiting 3,4,5 stars from outside WA.

If WA is going to demand that WSU recruit WA, then dont HYPOCRITICALLY demand that WSU recruit WA, while backstabbing WSU, and sending all the 2.5 star, 3 stars, 4 stars, etc, to either UW, or out of state.

Instead just push that BS, send the talented kids to UW, out of state, WA belongs to UW, out of state, and WSU doesnt waste rime recruiting WA, and only recruits out of state.

If going to demand that WSU recruit WA, then had better well tell the talented kids to commit, sign, play at WSU.

 

[mikalalas]

At the end of the day, who cares? WA coaches are going to pump up their kids to create buzz. It's part of the job to get as many schools as possible visiting campus to take a look at the kids. They are supposed to be somewhat hypocritical.

Our coaches need to do due diligence by visiting as many schools as possible, taking a look at the kids who can play P5 and quickly determine who has serious interest. Local coaches will complain, but we won't waste our time on kids we are longshots for.

I Agree with almost all of this.

But its not just local coaches doing the complaining.

And a couple, few, some of those local coaches, that are complaining, are Pretty Famous, Well Known, have a lot of preps recruiting influence.

There is a lot of MEDIA, coaches, football leaders, government leaders, players, etc, that are demanding that WSU recruit WA, and that if they dont, they paint WSU in a bad light, making it harder to recruit not only WA, but outside WA, NW, too.

And they also threaten that if WSU doesnt recruit WA, that they will try to get Government to try to force WSU to recruit WA, since WSU is a STATE public university, that gets supported by WA tax dollars, and federal tax dollars.

This issue of not recruiting WA has really given Leach, WSU a black eye on the recruiting front.

And that is supposedly one of the reasons why Rolo is recruiting WA.

I would love it if Rolo/WSU would do what your talking about.

Problem is that there may or may not be a problem with Rolo maybe or maybe not doing what your suggesting.

We'll see if Rolo does what your suggesting.

 

[mikalalas]

That didnt answer the question.

That said:

If the state of WA wants to push that BS, that's ok in a way, as long as dont demand that WSU recruit 1 star, 1.5 star, 2 star, 2.5 star, NR, whitworth, idaho, big sky, mountain west kids, from WA, and not, or stop recruiting 3,4,5 stars from outside WA.

If WA is going to demand that WSU recruit WA, then dont HYPOCRITICALLY demand that WSU recruit WA, while backstabbing WSU, and sending all the 2.5 star, 3 stars, 4 stars, etc, to either UW, or out of state.

Instead just push that BS, send the talented kids to UW, out of state, WA belongs to UW, out of state, and WSU doesnt waste rime recruiting WA, and only recruits out of state.

If going to demand that WSU recruit WA, then had better well tell the talented kids to commit, sign, play at WSU.

And I'll add that if WA demands that WSU recruits WA, and backstabs WSU, and tells their higher rated kids to not goto WSU, then Rolo, Chun, WSU should call that BS out, shame that, etc.

 

[dgibbons]

Boy, I'm shocked. Next you're going to tell me we aren't going to land any of the *ten* 4-stars (on Brand X -- 7 on Rivals) or better in Washington in the 2021 class, even with a pandemic cutting in favor of players staying closer to home.

Can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic. I won’t be surprised at all if we don’t pull any four star guys from instate. Those guys have been hearing for years that they’re way too good for little ole Wazzu.

 

[dgibbons]

For someone who realizes I have no point you certainly put effort following someone who has no point .

Finally an admission you’re a waste of time.

The state is in lockdown in case you haven’t heard, so I have time on my hands. Besides, this could be considered a public service.