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Moving the AC to a neutral site is a terrible idea. There isn't any place to do it that doesn't favor UW and I guarantee that Pullman businesses appreciate the good weekend every other year. If we need to change anything about the AC, it's that it should be on Friday evening when it's in Seattle and Saturday evening when its in Pullman. Forcing students to leave early for Pullman on Thanksgiving break is stupid and hypothetically, it's supposed to be about the students.
There is no reason we should have to worry about selling out the stadium, yet we do worry. I agree that Saturday was a bad look. I have lived a number of places where college football is king, and they have no such problems filling the stadiums, particularly when winning. For all the talk of inconvenient travel we should remember that most students do not stay right next to their school after grad. Virtually all schools that are not metro import their fans every week. We have many dedicated fans who will travel. We also have a substantial amount that will not, or not consistantly. Our fans have not had time to adjust to the relatively new concept of being good year after year. I actually fear when they do because then a 3 or 4 loss team will not be “worth it” to many. It is sad . But our fanbase really does not commit like other places. 5 hours each way is not only a Pullman thing. We do like to use it as an excuse though.
Now it's a 100K seat stadium? You know that's going to cost $1B plus to build? They don't even sell out all the Apple Cups in Seattle. LOL. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, you're Fn with everyone that's reading this.
Apple cup should always be played in either Seattle or Pullman. Moving it to another newutral site is jus stupid. Apple cup should never be played in Pullman on a Friday. If it it’s on Friday play it in Seattle. Common sense if you ask me.
This. I cannot fathom who thinks AC on Friday in Pullman is a good idea. Ever.
That's 2 straight sellouts.
But, yea, $1B stadium in E-Burg cause there were 2000 empty seats 6 years ago.
Who is paying for this stadium, by the way?
I'm pretty sure that this was the premise of my post that started this thread. So thank you all for your support. And please "like" my posts. I'm falling behind.....
Does liking a post mean one likes the person? I really don't want to give a false impression.And please "like" my posts. I'm falling behind.....
You can think that but it is not.
Turning the Apple Cup into a premiere in state rivalry game at a neutral location in the center of the state not only would be financially lucrative for WSU, it would be a tremendous opportunity to make more people vested in the football season.
If you think small you will stay small.
If you think big you will get big.
There is no doubt that a state fair with craft beer, wine, agriculture expo, high tech pavilion, with the center attraction being the biggest in state college football game would generate money. A LOT of money.
The Apple Cup would go from just another game in rivalry week. To being one of the premiere unique Gameday experiences on par with the Red River Rivalry and the largest outdoor cocktail party.
What is stupid is expecting to capitalize on a game revenue wise, national optic wise, where we are dependent on whether or not 20 somethings decide to roll their ass out of bed. THAT is stupid.
A premiere unique college football experience with incredible food, beer, wine, high tech demos without a doubt will generate not only more money, but more national exposure.
But hey let’s continue to wring or hands over whether we can get 20 year olds out of bed to get 33k people to show up and watch a 10 win team with a Heisman candidate.
The Apple Cup as a premiere event could generate 10 million bucks alone for WSU if done right.
You still haven't explained who is going to pay for this 100K seat stadium.
Also, I'd love to hear the conversation between Chun and UW's AD about moving the game out of Seattle. I'm guessing it would be...short.
Move the Apple Cup to Saturdays when it's in Pullman. It can be on Friday in Seattle. That would work and I think most people would be happy with this arrangement. I know I would be.... I'll always be at the Pullman Apple Cup whenever they hold it, but I'd rather it be on Saturday.... Friday messes with work and Family/Thanksgiving too much. Let USC/UCLA play on Friday after Thanksgiving.... they have how many million people within taxi ride to Rose Bowl or USC's dump.
Ok, that is your 12th post on this thread. Each one getting more fantastic. From a 50,000 seat stadium to a 100,000 seat stadium. Now it's the state fair and a week-long cascade of cash flowing into WSU's coffers. $10 million for WSU. Now is that net income, after paying all the related expenses and payments on this 100,000 seat stadium built for one game per year?
And your continued rant on the students. Getting them out of bed for a 7:30 kickoff wasn't the issue. They weren't in bed. They weren't in town. And whether the students actually go to any game makes basically -0- difference as far as revenue goes. They bought their sports passes. Except if you count that fact that loud students might lead to more victories, thus more money down the road.
UW can go f.uck themselves the Seattle Apple Cup sucks. It’s not up to them we will just not go to Seattle if they won’t agree. They can play in Pullman or play in neutral Ellensburg every year but there is no more Seattle.
How we pay for it. Now I don’t think it would cost 1 billion bucks. This isn’t an NFL stadium. This is a college amphitheater stadium. But for calculation let’s say it costs 1 billion dollars.
How we do it is we sell the naming rights to the game and let Boeing, Amazon, Starbucks, or Microsoft bid on the naming rights to the game.
The Apple Cup presented by _________ total cost is 200 million for 20 years of naming rights. This is a premiere sporting event central to the state, national broadcast on Fox,ABC,NBC,CBS.
Now we take 100 of that million and it goes to the construction. 10% of our budget, and the other 100 million is split between both schools.
That’s 2.5 million for WSU/UW every year for twenty years. Just on the naming rights.
100 mil down 900 million to go.
Now we sell naming rights to areas of the High tech pavilion.
20 million for the Valve Software high tech lounge for 20 years.
20 million for the Microsoft Lounge.
Etc. etc.
Larger companies get a lounge. Smaller companies buy booths they range from 25k for a small 10footx10foot area. To 100x100’ 20 million lounges.
You have a whole area dedicated in the south or North dedicated to tech.
On the opposite side is the food and drink expo area. Same model with lounges and booths showcasing wines, craft beers, Apple pie/cobbler / cider / everything you can think of.
On the west side is the mutt pavilion with tailgating, and husky owned business advertising same model with lounges, and all their crap. It smells like wet dog.
On the east side is the gorgeous Cougar pavilion with Coug businesses, rides and events. it smells like Apples, Cinamon, and victory. It’s beautiful.
Now selling all these booths will generate a ton of cash plenty to finance the construction and with a roadmap to pay it all off in 20 years it is achievable.
The broadcast money would be excellent for the game as we could sell broadcast rights for 20 years for 100 million.
Celebrating 20 years ofThe Apple Cup on ABC.
Finally you have Ellensburg put up a 100 million dollar bond since they will greatly benefit for hosting this event.
Add in a job fair and rides and the Apple Cup basically becomes a money printing mill. It would be an event that everyone circled on their calendar and tries to get to.
West side, North Side, East Side, South Side everybody would converge in the first week of October for one of the biggest events in the State, and WSU would have its equal half share which it deserves.
So many holes, so little time.
The City of Ellensberg isn't posting a $100 Million bond. They don't have that kind of bonding capacity available. Not even close. They are pretty well maxed out right now at $20 Million of bonds for their entire city budget.
Most certainly they don't have that kind of bonding capacity without a vote of their citizens as there are certain restrictions under state law in which municipalities may indebt themselves.
The City of Ellensberg isn't posting a $100 Million bond. They don't have that kind of bonding capacity available. Not even close. They are pretty well maxed out right now at $20 Million of bonds for their entire city budget.
Most certainly they don't have that kind of bonding capacity without a vote of their citizens as there are certain restrictions under state law in which municipalities may indebt themselves.
He is cleaning carcasses so there is that income. Throw in his kids 7 years of college and sell a few premium beers and there you have it.
And how does the state convince tax payers to fund a stadium in the middle of no where that will be used 8 times a years.
If I may quote Lloyd Bridges in the movie Airplane "I picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue."
So, we're going to offer to forfeit every other Apple Cup until they agree to play us in Ellensburg?
Not to mention, some company is going to pay $10M a year for 20 years to put their name on this thing? T-Mobile is paying $3M annual for Safeco Field.
This has now gotten to the point it's too ridiculous to be real. Nice troll Tron.
Quick review of the several rabbit holes this thread has traveled:
1.) Agree that Friday games should not be any more frequent than for any other rivalry game in the league. Saturday is definitely better.
2.) But also agree with those who think the TV audience may be bigger; especially in the Eastern and Central time zones; for a Friday game. For what ever that is worth. Less competition. So I think of it as a silver lining to a dark cloud.
3.) The AC should be alternating home games, not neutral site. Tron, your idea is not without some merit, and the Red River analogy is a fair one, but I will always be an alternating home site guy on this issue.
4.) Finally, the mid-season idea. I don't like it, and here is why. The Michigan/ Michigan State game is mid-season. The Michigan/ Ohio State game is season end. My MSU friends as a group seem to feel that is not the best thing for MSU. And given the rabid hatred between Oregon and Washington, is there any doubt that if we moved to a mid-season AC, Oregon would find a way to be the finale against Washington? What Wazzu fan could possibly support that? Let's keep the AC at the end of the season, preferably on a Saturday, with alternating home fields and be happy with the result.
Happy Thanksgiving to you all!
1.) Agree that Friday games should not be any more frequent than for any other rivalry game in the league. Saturday is definitely better.
2.) But also agree with those who think the TV audience may be bigger; especially in the Eastern and Central time zones; for a Friday game. For what ever that is worth. Less competition. So I think of it as a silver lining to a dark cloud.
3.) The AC should be alternating home games, not neutral site. Tron, your idea is not without some merit, and the Red River analogy is a fair one, but I will always be an alternating home site guy on this issue.
4.) Finally, the mid-season idea. I don't like it, and here is why. The Michigan/ Michigan State game is mid-season. The Michigan/ Ohio State game is season end. My MSU friends as a group seem to feel that is not the best thing for MSU. And given the rabid hatred between Oregon and Washington, is there any doubt that if we moved to a mid-season AC, Oregon would find a way to be the finale against Washington? What Wazzu fan could possibly support that? Let's keep the AC at the end of the season, preferably on a Saturday, with alternating home fields and be happy with the result.
Happy Thanksgiving to you all!
8 times a year?
You use it for the Apple Cup and can use it for concerts and summer festivals all through the year.
Ellensburg is one of the most undervalued locations in the state. It lost the state capital bid to Olympia (which I think is a huge mistake 100 years later) and everybody thinks of it as just another small town, but its location is perfect for a big state wide event..... like the Apple Cup.
Seattle to Ellensburg 106 miles
Spokane to Ellensburg 172 miles
Pullman to Ellensburg 192 miles
Kennewick 118 miles
Olympia 148 miles
It’s the perfect general equidistant location for a statewide event. The perfect location.
Everybody can get to it and it would make a ton of money.
But we’ll keep going back and forth from one side to the other for the game complaining about Black Friday or students on break or whatever.
Let’s not actually build something that solves our problems, let’s keep having the same tired old problems.
Time to click your heels three times Tron and say there is no place like home there is no place like home .
But I will say I want what you were having Saturday night. It has staying power .
No we just don’t schedule it. We schedule somebody else. If the conference demands we play we say we are willing to play in Ellensburg or Pullman.
Look the Huskies basically always leverage Seattle against us. Always, and those days are over. We shouldn’t accept anything but an equal setting for the Apple Cup annually and that should be at a neutral site not in Seattle or Pullman but accessible to everybody.
This bullying WSU with city size disparity is bullshit.
We can do that? Just make up our own conference schedule? Heck, we should have stopped scheduling UW years ago then. Is USC free Friday? I'd love to get another shot at them.
There's some major holes in this.
First, the home team gets to pick where the game is played. That's how we got USC and UCLA to come back to Pullman in the early 80s. They said they wouldn't come, the conference and NCAA said, well...then you forfeit and WSU wins. They came to Pullman. If UW says they want their odd-year Apple Cups in Seattle, we go to Seattle or we lose. So you just lost 50% of your games.
Second, naming rights are already sold. For nowhere near 200 million. See, there's this thing called "the market", and that's what dictates how much is paid for a product. If nobody sees $10 million/year in value, they don't pay it. You're suggesting that some corporations will put their name on a regional rivalry instead of having 3-4 Super Bowl commercials. Not bloody likely. Nobody will pay $10 million/year just because you want them to, there needs to be a benefit that's worth that much - or more - to them. Your suite prices are similarly unrealistic.
Third, you're asking Ellensburg to put up bond capacity that they don't have to support a stadium that they get little benefit from. Even if they got your 100K fans for Apple Cup, what's going to fill that stadium for the other 51 weekends of the year? Now they have to maintain a giant stadium/event center to use for one weekend, when they don't have an ongoing need for more than 10% of it? Again, not bloody likely.
Fourth, to have the fair and convention atmosphere you're talking about, you've moved the game to sometime before mid-October. Congratulations, you've now turned our one true rivalry game into a barely meaningful mid-season game. What's left after than to draw anyone to Pullman after that?
Fifth, you thought there was a shortage of hotel space in Pullman? Try housing 100,000 people in Ellensburg.
I really don't see much in the idea that's good. Creating a little more atmosphere around every game is something that's been discussed here over & over, and that idea is good....but beyond that, no. There's zero reason to put it in Ellensburg.
"This" (Tron's fantasy) was at the ridiculous point halfway through his first of 15 posts......and has gotten more ridiculous with each post.
"This" (Tron's fantasy) was at the ridiculous point halfway through his first of 15 posts......and has gotten more ridiculous with each post.
Wait till he suggests some investor is going to build a 50K unit apartment building in Ellensburgh.
What’s left to draw them? All the other games. USC , UCLA, Oregon, Cal, Stanford etc.
If we want to maximize the Apple Cup we isolate it as a premiere event and put it somewhere that is equal and build a major event experience around the game.
The only reason why it would be in October is to skate around the whole “students break durr durr durr” we seem to go through every single year. I am sick of it. I have no patience for it anymore. I was a student, i never needed special accommodations or excuses to enable my laziness. But for some reason that got to be our norm.
I just see it as a major money making opportunity that isn’t being capitalized on, an important game that somehow we have to have discussions about student attendance.
That’s what it is currently, and I’d like to turn it into something that generates a ton of money, there is no “students break blah blah conversation”, and a marquee rivalry game that draws a lot of national attention, and pulls the entire state together in a unique setting.
That to me just seems better.
The Ag Department could hand out free weed in Ellensberg INSIDE the Tron stadium and attract TENS of thousands of stoners who will then willingly pay outrageous dollars for concessions once the munchies set in.
Phish can play at the halftime show, sell crimson and gray and tie-dyed shirts - the souvenier revenue alone would service the debt on Tron/Kittitas County Rodeo Stadium.
It will be awesome and if you can't see the economic ripple and massive revenue potential, well, you're just a loser with no vision.
Phish can play at the halftime show, sell crimson and gray and tie-dyed shirts - the souvenier revenue alone would service the debt on Tron/Kittitas County Rodeo Stadium.
It will be awesome and if you can't see the economic ripple and massive revenue potential, well, you're just a loser with no vision.
Your hyperbolic parody is faaaaaaaar out. It’s Groovy. It’s like we are all one big Apple but not in New York mannnnnn. They’re like the big Apple, but we’re like the biggest Apple.
Hell they should be high-rises all around the stadium. Can you imagine how much people will pay to be able to see Apple Cup out their living room windows?
And forget Phish, they are small time. Let's hire some gypsies to reincarnate Jimi Hendrix, Kurt Cobain and any other dead Washington rock stars. The can play pre-game, halftime, and post-game. On a levitating stage that will move in and out of the stadium like a giant space ship.
I almost think you are serious. I originally thought you were joking. You aren't Kevin Costner and this isn't Field of Dreams. There is a party/concert facility in central Washington. It is the Gorge. Didn't cost 500 million to to make.
What events outside of the Apple Cup and 7 Central Washington football games will be held at Cougatron Memorial Stadium.?
ACDC is playing in Portland on Wednesday Thursday, and on their way up for two night Sunday and Monday in Vancouver they are skipping Seattle to play in E-burg. If the students and people who attended WSU aren't excited about driving from Spokane to Pullman, how the heck are you going to get people who are semi committed to go to Ellensburg for a game? How about the students since it is their team and their school?
You aren't creating more hype and demand, you are creating less.
There are more and better answers. But they only exist when we are on this run. fans are fickle.The last home game in 1997 on our way to a Rose Bowl some donor had to pay for 5k end zone seats so we would be sold out. It may be we are like a lo of Pac 12 schools that we simply don't have the passion that the SEC has.
But for better ideas, how about a Cougar train from Spokane that has a drinking compartment and a mini casino in it? That would be one way to defray the cost.
For the students, if they stay until the fourth quarter of the game (each home game) there will be a raffle for one semester of free tuition. Also, like any great commercial there are stipulations like the student section has to be 90% full.
Charter planes that are affordable. Heck in 2000 I think I paid 120.00 round trip on CougAire.
Maybe they will restart that flight and you can jump out over Ellensburg and visit some family.
"Build it and he will come". Puff puff pass.
Sponsored by Marmas, Ray's Lemonade and Tilray.
Win or lose, we.....
Uh....where's my car?
What events can be held there.
- Apple Cup
- All football state championships
- All soccer state championships
- The PNW Highschool Allstar game featuring the 100 best (50 offense 50 on defensive) players from Washington, Oregon, NorCal
- PNW Women and Men’s soccer all star game
- 8 Major concerts in the summer (2 in May, 2 in June, 2 in July 2 in August)
- Spring Music Festival including all major/minor local bands
The gorge is weak. Cougatron Stadium is much better.
Wow some top line revenue producers . When you said you cleaned carcasses I assumed it was in the wealth management field. Hell I didn’t know you were cleaning the carcasses of cows in your home town . So for the state champ girls soccer game, care to guess how many people attend. I was a one pk short of attending one live last Saturday . If you think 80 people is enough to build the stadium throw in the kids college tuition I am sure you will get your return . Tron, the mayor or EBurg
How much money do you think Coachella, Bonaroo, and Live Nation events make? It’s not a little. It’s a lot and the first call would be to them for a deal. Which they would do.... because...
You have a central location in the state with 3 million people within a 100 mile radius.
And it isn’t being utilized properly.
But hey keep slinging those crappy mortgages while homeless roam Seattle.
Maybe Bezos will throw you and them some scraps.
Well you invest your money in Ellensburg, and do it at a high rate. I am sure you will get the return you desire. What crappy mortgages? The one you will need after you implement your great ideas? And there is no such thing as a crappy mortgage these days. Your first born is what would is needed these days...now that could change with the new sheriff in town.
And not sure what owning a home has to do with the homeless unless you want people who have money to invest and buy a home to be homeless just to say they are homeless in Seattle.
And Bezos...in time he will make the banks crap their pants as he will have the top draw in mortgage in five years.
Coachella revenue last year. 114 Million
https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/8005736/coachella-festival-2017-114-million-gross
But hey let’s not capitalize on those kinds of opportunities, let’s not make something that could generate massive revenue.
If you want to see stupid go look in the mirror.
They say insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
But hey keep waiting for the Apple Cup to generate real money for WSU and keep wondering about if the students will show every year.
https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/8005736/coachella-festival-2017-114-million-gross
But hey let’s not capitalize on those kinds of opportunities, let’s not make something that could generate massive revenue.
If you want to see stupid go look in the mirror.
They say insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
But hey keep waiting for the Apple Cup to generate real money for WSU and keep wondering about if the students will show every year.
