I thought you analyzed information and data for a living??? Please tell me how big the concrete stadium where the festival takes place, and how it was funded. Cause what I know of the "festival" it doesn't require a 60-80 stadium.
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I thought you analyzed information and data for a living??? Please tell me how big the concrete stadium where the festival takes place, and how it was funded. Cause what I know of the "festival" it doesn't require a 60-80 stadium.
“Driving distance from Los Angeles, CA to Coachella, CA. The total driving distance from Los Angeles, CA to Coachella, CA is 133 miles”
Bill Moos was the only visionary we’ve had as of late. He understood if you invested in building something nice, bring in smart people you can have success.
There is a place. In the state that sits at the intersection of the major highways connecting the state, that has 3 million people in its 100 mile radius. That isn’t being utilized.... that is stupid.
The stadium is for the premiere acts or the “main stage” you can set stages all around the stadium and then have the major acts in the stadium.
Bill Moos was the only visionary we’ve had as of late. He understood if you invested in building something nice, bring in smart people you can have success.
There is a place. In the state that sits at the intersection of the major highways connecting the state, that has 3 million people in its 100 mile radius. That isn’t being utilized.... that is stupid.
The stadium is for the premiere acts or the “main stage” you can set stages all around the stadium and then have the major acts in the stadium.
Moos isn’t a visionary . He knew we had to improve our facilities and he had the money from the Pac 12 to fund the coach .
Sam Jankovich was a visionary by your standards when he gave the coaches $1000.00 to go to Rima paint and get paint to paint THEIR own offices.
There is no demand or funding . Other than that it is a great idea .
Moos is a visionary because he had the vision to build the upgrades and a vision for what the program could be and you are witnessing it this season.
How many people were asking for an iPhone in 1998? None. Not a single one. Why? Because it didn’t exist. People didn’t even realize that was possible until they saw it.
But just 8 years later everybody wanted one.
And just like upgrading homes to sell for a higher asking price. You can create value by investing in a location.
The problem with the Apple Cup is.
- it’s at the end of the year so there is a whole issue with Students leaving for winter break.
- in Pullman it is remote and hard to get to, and when it is in Seattle east siders don’t like making the trek the other direction.
So how do you solve all these problems. You make it earlier, in a central location, and make a big event out of it to draw and attract people from all over.
Every problem is solved. Instead of being accessible to one group every other year it’s accessible to all every year.
Instead of worrying about the scheduling and problems with winter break everyone knows it’s on the first Saturday in October.
Revenue wise the game is amplified and maximized due to its pedestal and surrounding activities.
How much do you think the commercial real estate property value surrounding the area in Ellensburg goes up if this were to happen? A lot right, and just like that value and demand starts to be created.
Nobody demanded a 5 dollar coffee with whip cream and chocolate sauce. Starbucks made it and millions decided they wanted that. Nobody knew what the f.uck a macchiato was in the 1980s. Yet somehow a billion dollar company grew out of something that nobody was asking for to begin with.
A large event stadium in Ellensburg would be a smash hit and would kickstart economic growth in central Washington AND it would raise the profile of the Apple Cup and it would generate more money for WSU, and we wouldn’t have to worry about Black Friday this? or Will the students come back that?
Instead we take the rivalry game, put it on a pedestal in the center of beautiful fall weather, right in the heart of the state, a premiere event and we rake in cash.
Which WSU can reinvest in developing the athletic department and program.
No can do. Can’t with the Cougs at the top now you gotta keep building and want big money for WSU long standing revenue pipelines. The Apple Cup as a premiere standalone event is moving up on my wish list.
You seriously overestimate the draw, not to mention reality. The market isn’t there. The advertisers aren’t going to pay your rates. Ellensburg doesn’t begin to have the infrastructure to support it, and since you’re funneling off all the cash to UW & WSU, they have little incentive to support it.
It works for some rivalries in the south because football is part of the culture, and because the participants are historical powerhouses who’ve been playing each other for a century. Add to that their large nearby population bases - pretty much urban areas. The only element of that that Apple Cup has is that we’ve been playing for a century. But the truth is the the majority of the regional population - not to mention the nation - don’t care.
They don’t care because we as a state don’t make it a big deal. It’s just an annual game home and home series.
It’s not THE Apple Cup.
We gotta take it to the next level. Instead of being some ping pong ho hum national rivalry game we can turn it into a marquee annual event right in the center of the state.
That to me creates interest. It makes it nationally known. It really in a sense brings people together from all over the state.
And that to me is a great opportunity that we aren’t seizing.
Tron I love your enthusiasm and I enjoy your analysis. But this would never happen for one simple reason and here it is: Suppose a grand college stadium is built and people flock to it and it causes the central Washington economy to boom, and it creates national interest, brings recruits to Pullman from fat and wide, etc.
UW because they are UW would want 65-70% of the revenue...just like they demanded several years ago when the century link plan was in place for a four year deal. This would be a massive business partnership and you can’t have self serving assholes as business partners.
Tron, coug90 and others are right, and I'll even add more reasons.
If you were to do your idea in the Tri Cities, your idea would TECHNICALLY work, and would TECHNICALLY SEEM like a good idea.
BUT.
Not only would you have to worry about UW wanting 55%,60%,65%, etc, you would have to worry about the following
1. Because you build this ULTIMATE GRAND SUCCESSFUL STADIUM:
A. You lose HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE for WSU for AT LEAST 1 game, EVERY YEAR.
B. Oregon makes a case for since the Tri Cities stadium is such a good thing, and CLOSER to Oregon then Pullman, they Oregon would ask to have WSU home games hosting Oregon at the Tri City Stadium. They Oregon would probably even offer money, and offer to have Oregon home games hosting WSU at the Tri City Stadium.
C. Because of point B. above, WSU might probably lose another HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE game EVERY YEAR. That would be 2 games of that type each year, and UW, Oregon would have way more fans then WSU at the games, and would turn into OREGON, UW HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE OVER WSU EVERY YEAR.
D. Then USC, UCLA, etc would say well since Oregon, and UW play WSU home games at Tri City Stadium, then we demand the same, and offer to pay money, etc.
2. Yes WSU would get a ton of money. But the money WSU would get would kind of be like the Body Bag game money WSU would get for playing Bama on the road, with no return of Bama playing in Martin Stadium at home.
3. And altho you might be able to argue that the Bama's might play WSU in Tri City Stadium, it wont happen because the Bama types have not played WSU in seattle at Century Link.
What makes you think Bama types would play WSU in a Apple Cup Tri City Stadium, if they wont even play WSU in Century Link in Seattle?
This is a very slippery slope if this idea of yours was done Tron.
And sometimes getting a ton of money is not worth it, example body bag games, and sometimes its best to turn down the money, not do your idea, example body bag games.
I know you dont like Walden Tron. And I agree with you that Walden was not that great of a coach, and was bad during the he who shall not be named thing.
But Walden did 2 good things(not saying those things made him good)
A. Walden got WSU to the Holiday Bowl. If WSU had had a bad year instead of that WSU would have probably had the bad 20,30,40 YEAR stretch of OSU Beavers like futility and WSU football might have died, and WSU might have gotten kicked out of Pac conference.
B. Walden got the Pac teams to play in Martin Stadium.
If WSU did your idea Tron it could undo what Walden did in getting the pac teams to play in Martin Stadium.
Your idea Tron on the surface, seems to sound, look good in theory, but if you scratch beneath the surface, your idea Tron doesnt seem that good.
I would not be in favor of your idea Tron.
Keep the Apple Cup in Pullman and find some other way to overcome the problems with the Apple Cup, whether that is moving it earlier in the season or what, etc, I dont know.
But any potential solution that keeps Apple Cup in Pullman is probably better then your idea here Tron.
If you were to do your idea in the Tri Cities, your idea would TECHNICALLY work, and would TECHNICALLY SEEM like a good idea.
BUT.
Not only would you have to worry about UW wanting 55%,60%,65%, etc, you would have to worry about the following
1. Because you build this ULTIMATE GRAND SUCCESSFUL STADIUM:
A. You lose HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE for WSU for AT LEAST 1 game, EVERY YEAR.
B. Oregon makes a case for since the Tri Cities stadium is such a good thing, and CLOSER to Oregon then Pullman, they Oregon would ask to have WSU home games hosting Oregon at the Tri City Stadium. They Oregon would probably even offer money, and offer to have Oregon home games hosting WSU at the Tri City Stadium.
C. Because of point B. above, WSU might probably lose another HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE game EVERY YEAR. That would be 2 games of that type each year, and UW, Oregon would have way more fans then WSU at the games, and would turn into OREGON, UW HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE OVER WSU EVERY YEAR.
D. Then USC, UCLA, etc would say well since Oregon, and UW play WSU home games at Tri City Stadium, then we demand the same, and offer to pay money, etc.
2. Yes WSU would get a ton of money. But the money WSU would get would kind of be like the Body Bag game money WSU would get for playing Bama on the road, with no return of Bama playing in Martin Stadium at home.
3. And altho you might be able to argue that the Bama's might play WSU in Tri City Stadium, it wont happen because the Bama types have not played WSU in seattle at Century Link.
What makes you think Bama types would play WSU in a Apple Cup Tri City Stadium, if they wont even play WSU in Century Link in Seattle?
This is a very slippery slope if this idea of yours was done Tron.
And sometimes getting a ton of money is not worth it, example body bag games, and sometimes its best to turn down the money, not do your idea, example body bag games.
I know you dont like Walden Tron. And I agree with you that Walden was not that great of a coach, and was bad during the he who shall not be named thing.
But Walden did 2 good things(not saying those things made him good)
A. Walden got WSU to the Holiday Bowl. If WSU had had a bad year instead of that WSU would have probably had the bad 20,30,40 YEAR stretch of OSU Beavers like futility and WSU football might have died, and WSU might have gotten kicked out of Pac conference.
B. Walden got the Pac teams to play in Martin Stadium.
If WSU did your idea Tron it could undo what Walden did in getting the pac teams to play in Martin Stadium.
Your idea Tron on the surface, seems to sound, look good in theory, but if you scratch beneath the surface, your idea Tron doesnt seem that good.
I would not be in favor of your idea Tron.
Keep the Apple Cup in Pullman and find some other way to overcome the problems with the Apple Cup, whether that is moving it earlier in the season or what, etc, I dont know.
But any potential solution that keeps Apple Cup in Pullman is probably better then your idea here Tron.
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Just my $0.02 but when I hear people talking about building a big stadium in the middle of nowhere for a single event, I picture all the money spent building Olympic facilities in countries that don't use them. Decaying hulks that everyone shakes their head at as time goes on. I know that this is different hypothetically, but still.....
Wait...
1. So you think a stadium in the middle of no-where is going to compete against The Gorge at George, which is in the middle of no where? This being for additional revenue from concerts and such? Assured mutual destruction.
2. UW doesn't have a "vote" on having a game in Seattle but you expect them to foot half the bill?
3. The small town of Ellensburg, to handle/hold 100K people? Pullman has more ability to do so, and they can't. Ellensburg has no infrastructure to handle that kind of influx of people.
Dude. I get your perspective. If money wasn't an issue, this would be a great way to... earn... money... if it wasn't an issue... anyways. If money grew on trees, I guess is better. But Tron, you are completely high on this one.
I don't want to move the game away from Pullman. That's the clincher for me. Not the Apple Cup, that's for sure! That is point-blank, a big, fat NO. NEVER again should we go down the road of the Seattle games (for you younger bucks) nor the Spokane games (for you older... bucks). NEVER, NEVER, NEVER.
1. So you think a stadium in the middle of no-where is going to compete against The Gorge at George, which is in the middle of no where? This being for additional revenue from concerts and such? Assured mutual destruction.
2. UW doesn't have a "vote" on having a game in Seattle but you expect them to foot half the bill?
3. The small town of Ellensburg, to handle/hold 100K people? Pullman has more ability to do so, and they can't. Ellensburg has no infrastructure to handle that kind of influx of people.
Dude. I get your perspective. If money wasn't an issue, this would be a great way to... earn... money... if it wasn't an issue... anyways. If money grew on trees, I guess is better. But Tron, you are completely high on this one.
I don't want to move the game away from Pullman. That's the clincher for me. Not the Apple Cup, that's for sure! That is point-blank, a big, fat NO. NEVER again should we go down the road of the Seattle games (for you younger bucks) nor the Spokane games (for you older... bucks). NEVER, NEVER, NEVER.
“Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”
Sincerely, Mark Twain.
The only thing worth even talking about is the notion of moving the Apple Cup to earlier in the season, ala OK-Texas or OK-OSU. I don't like that idea, and neither do the overwhelming majority of posters who chimed in. Although a pre-Thansgiving Apple Cup with one more Pac-12 game after (away and preferably down South) would at least get my interest.
The opinion that Pullman Apple Cups should be played on Saturday passes almost unanimously.
So end of this topic........
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There's a reason I rarely respond to you...“Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”
Sincerely, Mark Twain.
The only thing worth even talking about is the notion of moving the Apple Cup to earlier in the season, ala OK-Texas or OK-OSU. I don't like that idea, and netierh do the overwhelming majority of posters who chimed in. Although a pre-Thansgiving Apple Cup with one more Pac-12 game after (away and preferably down South) would at least get my ineterest.
The opinion that Pullman Apple Cups should be played on Saturday passes almost unanimously.
So end of this topic........
When Moos retires at Nebraska, he should come back as a special consultant and visionary this project to death.
Every time we play home and home with the Apple Cup we make the disparity between UW and WSU bigger. That’s what most of you don’t understand.
Because UW is in a high population density and because WSU is not every cycle of the Apple Cup actually hurts WSU.
To explain this very clearly.
UW makes let’s say 100 dollars on the Apple Cup when they host it. And when we host it we make 25 dollars.
So 100 for UW in year A
25 for WSU in year B
Now as you can see after a period of 10 years.
UW makes 1000 and WSU makes 250.
Now as you can see the Apple Cup in its current form HURTS WSU. The Huskies like that disparity. Because it widens the gap.
Now moving it to a 50/50 split annually in a neutral location changes that dynamic.
Let’s say now WSU/UW both make 200 on Apple Cup now.
10 years both have 2000. As opposed to the widening chasm UW loves right now. See that’s what most of you are oblivious to. UW likes the Apple Cup in Pullman because every year the gap widens when we play it there.
Move it to a neutral site permanently out of Muttlake and that closes. Forever.
And THAT is why it should be moved to a neutral site.
I have zero interest in playing a rivalry game with a program that is rigging and exploiting the advantage, which is why I am for the neutral site.
I am not interested in widening the gap, I am interested in closing it permanently.
Because UW is in a high population density and because WSU is not every cycle of the Apple Cup actually hurts WSU.
To explain this very clearly.
UW makes let’s say 100 dollars on the Apple Cup when they host it. And when we host it we make 25 dollars.
So 100 for UW in year A
25 for WSU in year B
Now as you can see after a period of 10 years.
UW makes 1000 and WSU makes 250.
Now as you can see the Apple Cup in its current form HURTS WSU. The Huskies like that disparity. Because it widens the gap.
Now moving it to a 50/50 split annually in a neutral location changes that dynamic.
Let’s say now WSU/UW both make 200 on Apple Cup now.
10 years both have 2000. As opposed to the widening chasm UW loves right now. See that’s what most of you are oblivious to. UW likes the Apple Cup in Pullman because every year the gap widens when we play it there.
Move it to a neutral site permanently out of Muttlake and that closes. Forever.
And THAT is why it should be moved to a neutral site.
I have zero interest in playing a rivalry game with a program that is rigging and exploiting the advantage, which is why I am for the neutral site.
I am not interested in widening the gap, I am interested in closing it permanently.
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I beg that those with the power lock this thread. Kill it. Kill it with fire.
All I am saying is that the apple cup every year in a neutral site in the middle of the state solves a lot of our problems.
There would never be a need for a "Seattle game" for west siders because... Apple Cup.
We wouldn't have to worry about students this students that in November. It's played in October.
It's accessible from all directions and creates a big event in the heart of the state (good for the economy)
It projects an image of parity
It's a good look.
Holy shit you are stupid. Its amazing how often you make yourself look even more stupid than the previous time you did it. Just STFU already.
Letting UW widen the gap on disparity is a lot dumber.
Tell me exactly how WSU expects to achieve parity by playing a home and home with an in state program that knows it has the system rigged against WSU.
Tell me “oh genius” how you ever expect to achieve parity.
The answer is you won’t.
What is stupid is not realizing you are playing a stacked deck that just widens the gap instead of closes it.
How are you going to compensate the local businesses for their lost of revenue on Aple Cup weekend.
It is called reality. Move the campus to Chelan and build the resort town into a college town in the winter months. Get Texas Flip and Move an have them move Martin Stadium on a Uhaul.
We will never be on the same economic footing as UW, and Jim Walden showed we can compete with them during their heyday. And Price showed us going to the Rose Bowl is possible.
Leach just won four years in a row. Way more important and way more realistic is to pay Leach more money, a lot more money. A job recently opened up, and depending how the dominoes fall could impact our coaching staff.
They get other games in Pullman which will generate plenty of money. Also the revenue that WSU would make from a neutral site venue would greatly surpass anything the Pullman businesses contribute currently.
Jim Walden showed nothing but setting the stage for stupid thinking like Wulff. He was a charlatan of a coach.
Thinking that WSU can’t or won’t be able to be on par with UW is loser thinking.
Auburn and Texas A&M don’t think that way and they both have built programs finacially and prestige wise that are comparable to their in state rival.
WSU must expand its influence and lay claim to what it deserves which is half of Apple Cup revenue every single year.
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You would trade away a chance like we have on Friday, the play for the north on our home field, in front of our home fans, on our campus, in favor of effing Ellensburg, and you have the balls to call me stupid?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
When you are playing a team that likes us playing at home every other year because they make 2-3-4 times the money on the same game when they do it and use that extra money to compete against us every year and you don’t realize it... yeah that is stupid.
We played for the Pac 12 North title in 2016.
We are playing for the Pac-12 title every single game every single year. This doesn’t have to be a “once in a blue moon” occasion. It can be every single year.
You just have to stop thinking small, and start thinking big and demand equal footing at all times.
You see it as giving up a home game. I see it as stripping the Apple Cup revenue advantage away from UW and boosting ours.
I won’t be sitting down. Take notes. This lecture will continue.
So how does stripping UW income from one game change their overall financial picture? Does that mean their big donors won't donate any longer? How does Ellenburg front all the money and share all the concert revenue with WSU.
Please Double C, continue to lecture.
Tron HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE whether at Pullman, Seattle, Spokane, Tri Cities, Ellensburg is a HUGE FREAKING DEAL, and is WORTH, VALUED AT LOTS OF MONEY, MAKES MORE MONEY, WINS, WHICH MAKE EVEN MORE MONEY.
DO YOU NOT GET THAT?
Hope so.
Now question Tron, whether in Seattle, Tri Cities, Ellensburg, will, would WSU have HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE?
HELL NO.
WHY?
Because UW, Oregon will, would have MORE UW, OREGON FANS AT THE GAME THEN WSU, EVEN IF IT NEUTRAL SITE, TECHNICAL WSU HOME GAME.
NO WAY IN HELL WOULD MORE WSU FANS GO TO THE GAME OVER UW, OREGON FANS.
DO YOU NOT GET THAT?
WSU WOULD LOSE EVEN MORE BECAUSE OF NO HOMEFIELD ADVANTAGE
AND BECAUSE WSU WOULD LOSE MORE BECAUSE IF NO HOMEFIELD ADVANTAGE, WSU WOULD LOSE MONEY, RECRUITS, THUS LOSE EVEN MORE.
DO YOU NOT GET THAT TRON?
Hope you do.
But even if you dont
Your wrong.
Your being illogical.
Hell Freaking No to your idea of giving up HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE
And even if were in favor, which not.
No way in Hell would WSU give up HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE, as WSU has hopeully learned its lesson
Now PLEASE GET THIS.
PLEASE DROP THIS.
DO YOU NOT GET THAT?
Hope so.
Now question Tron, whether in Seattle, Tri Cities, Ellensburg, will, would WSU have HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE?
HELL NO.
WHY?
Because UW, Oregon will, would have MORE UW, OREGON FANS AT THE GAME THEN WSU, EVEN IF IT NEUTRAL SITE, TECHNICAL WSU HOME GAME.
NO WAY IN HELL WOULD MORE WSU FANS GO TO THE GAME OVER UW, OREGON FANS.
DO YOU NOT GET THAT?
WSU WOULD LOSE EVEN MORE BECAUSE OF NO HOMEFIELD ADVANTAGE
AND BECAUSE WSU WOULD LOSE MORE BECAUSE IF NO HOMEFIELD ADVANTAGE, WSU WOULD LOSE MONEY, RECRUITS, THUS LOSE EVEN MORE.
DO YOU NOT GET THAT TRON?
Hope you do.
But even if you dont
Your wrong.
Your being illogical.
Hell Freaking No to your idea of giving up HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE
And even if were in favor, which not.
No way in Hell would WSU give up HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE, as WSU has hopeully learned its lesson
Now PLEASE GET THIS.
PLEASE DROP THIS.
That or find out Hulk Hogans real name isn't Hulk hogan, or Krusher Darsow isn't really from Russia. I feel like I have entered Vince McMahon's arena of make believe.
What the hell is double C?
There are 12 games per year 1 of them on a neutral site makes at least 1 game even on revenue. Right now we have zero. 1 is a lot better.
Now for the other 11.
For the FCS game I think it should always be Idaho now that they dropped. It’s not a “home and home”. They come to Pullman every year. It’s our opener and it’s an easy game to bring in revenue because the visiting team is right next door.
They get their FCS check. We get to beat up on them. It’s a good deal and we keep local money coming to Pullman easily or in the vicinity.
Now for what the Huskies play for an FCS is whatever. The gap closes on Gameday revenue with an opponent that travels well which is why we have Idaho.
Now game 2 should be versus a mid major. We need them accessible for home in home or in a good recruiting area if we are doing an away game.
Good candidates are: Boise (close proximity good for TV revenue), Hawaii (good for recruiting), San Jose State (good for recruiting), Nevada/UNLV, Fresno (recruiting), San Diego State (recruiting), BYU (recruiting), Colorado State (Recruiting), Air Force (Recruiting).
All those will do nicely.
Now the 3rd OOC game should be a home and home with somebody that is a good draw and good money for us.
We could elect to play the game in a neutral site for only 1 off premiere games.
For example: LSU vs WSU in Vegas. That’s a money maker. No Seattle game. Just a neutral in Vegas on the west coast for our one offs.
The home and homes should mostly be with B1G teams. Nebraska is looking good with Moos there, Oklahoma looks good with Lincoln Riley connected to Leach, Michigan State, Minnesota, Northwestern, Ohio State, Michigan all look like good options to me.
Now onto the other 9 conference games.
As discussed Apple Cup is neutral in October.
So that leaves 8 games remaining.
Now ideally we want the Pac 12 South crossovers at the end of the season, and to front load North Opponets at the beginning of conference play. The reason is exactly what happened to Arizona last Saturday. South teams struggle late in the year versus us.
So we have to play Oregon, Oregon State, Cal, Stanford.
So what we want ideally are those games front loaded as much as possible before Apple Cup to allow us to face more south opponets at the end of the year. We should always opt to rotate UCLA / USC home and home —-ASU/ Arizona home and home. Colorado / Utah home and home.
What this does is puts us playing an LA school / Arizona school home/home end of the year always and then Colorado/Utah. It makes for the perfect kind of scheduling.
So how would this look?
Sept. 1st Season Begins
WSU vs Idaho (great opener to the season, annually win brings in good revenue)
Sept. 8
WSU vs/@. San Diego State (mid major recruiting tour)
Sept. 15
WSU vs/@ Major OOC game. In Pullman bringing Michigan State, or Michigan or Nebraska or like a Neutral Vegas game vs LSU. Fantastic money maker. No matter what.
Sept 21
WSU vs/@ North Conference opponent - here in week 4 we front load the North. So either Cal, Stan, Oregon or OSU.
Let’s say Oregon here.
Sept 28
WSU vs/@ North Conference opponent #2 - again we stack another North conference game. Let’s say Oregon State here.
October 6th
WSU vs UW - THE Apple Cup in Cougatron Ellensburg stadium. Incredible environment, the women look gorgeous, the food superb. The Huskies lose 89 - 3.
Now back to Pac 12 play.
Now we are still holding our 3 south games and we have 2 North games left. We have to get the LA schools 2 weeks before the last week because Notre Dame plays USC the last week and before that they play UCLA. Positioning the LA teams 3 weeks before guarantees us home @home forever in LA in November. Arizona/ASU play at the end of the year so that leaves Utah/Colorado at the end of the year for us which is perfect because they really don’t have conference rivals. BYU/Utah play at the end of the year but we can work with that. So the Colorado/Utah rotation should be the last game. Arizona/ASU 2nd to last, and LA schools the third to last.
October 13th
WSU vs/@ Pac 12 North
Let’s say Cal
BYE - October 20th
October 28th
WSU vs/@ Pac 12 North
Stanford
Now time to put down the LA schools.
November 3rd
WSU vs/@ UCLA/USC
We are home/home with Los Angeles every single year giving us prime access to recruiting LA with cold weather in our favor (it’s not too cold, but it still is an advantage)
November 10th
WSU vs/@ Arizona Schools
Frozen lizard on a stick
November 17th
WSU vs/@ Colorado/Utah
Here’s where we replace the Apple Cup with a conference opponent without a major conference rivalry game. Perfect for when students go on break but still closing with a conference game that should draw interest.
This to me is ideal and WSU does not lose money on this. It makes a lot more and has the back of the schedule loaded with South teams that have to come up to cold Pullman.
It puts us in LA/Arizona every other year guranteed which will make us lots of in roads recruiting
Now as to parity on revenue. We have established an Apple Cup in October which is perfect for everybody to get to. They can fly into Spokane, or Seattle, or wherever and caravan in. National prime time viewing on Television in the heart of college football season in a great venue. Lots of money to be made but more importantly EQUAL money to be made.
Our big OOC game gives us a great opponent coming to Pullman every other year and people would turn out to see Michigan or Oklahoma or Nebraska in Pullman. Or even a neutral one off with LSU, or Ole Miss, or whoever.
The Pac 12 schedule is designed around optimizing our remote advantage now with the North front loaded and sending the South to have their asses frozen and putting us in LA/Zona every other year.
We close with a cold weather Comrade south team like Utah / Colorado when students are on break in a who gives a shit manner setting the stage for is to be ready for a Pac 12 championship North title appearance.
Our donations will rise as we have access to the LA Alumni more readily (every other year), and we bring in a quality OOC or travel for a one off to Vegas.
We get access to quality recruiting areas improving and cementing our pipelines, and because we back loaded the south in ice a greater chance to win / compete for the North / Championship every year.
Pullman businesses get a premium opponent for the OOC every other year, as well as an LA team every other year. Their bottom line will not be hurting.
And WSU is poised for National exposure, cemented LA/Zona/East bay/Oregon/Washington Recruiting pipelines every other year.
I understand your thinking, but a neutral site Apple Cup helps us because we are guaranteed 50% of the Apple Cup revenue every year. Right now the Apple Cup makes UW a lot more money than us, and that isn’t helping us to compete on an even playing field. That’s what this is about.
Major problem with this plan: we don’t make our schedule, the conference does. We can make requests, but we’ll never get every concession this would require.
We get to tell our opponents where the game is going to be, but we don’t decide when (except in OOC). The same is true when we’re the visiting team - which is why we’re not going to get neutral site Apple Cups. UW will keep the odd year games in Seattle because they have no incentive not to.
I’m done taking marching orders from Larry. We making our own schedule now.
Look at me Larry. LOOK AT ME. BUTCH IS THE COMMISSIONER NOW.
And tough shit for UW they aren’t making extra money on our rivalry anymore. Get a suitcase Mutts see you in Ellensburg.
Cool. So under your plan we quit the PAC-12 and forfeit Apple Cup in odd years. Seems solid.
No we don’t “quit the Pac 12” we just tell them no and do things our way.
And no we aren’t forfitting the Apple Cup. We will be there in Ellensburg....every year ready to play. If the Huskies don’t show it up they forfeit. That’s where the game is now. If they want to act like fraidy mutts they can go ahead and hide in Muttlake. We will face them in the center of the state on the biggest stage for all in the state to see and enjoy.
Act like a doormat and prepare to be walked all over.
WSU is no longer a doormat.
The PAC-12 makes the conference schedule, not the schools. And why would the LA and Arizona schools consent to coming to Pullman late in the season like you want?
And, what part of ‘the home team picks the venue’ do you not understand? UW has absolutely zero incentive to play us in Ellensburg, so they’re not going to. In odd years - when they’re the home team - they’re going to schedule it in Seattle. If we don’t come, we forfeit. That’s the rules. We don’t get to say we’re only coming as far as ellensburg.
I’m sorry, Mr. Trump, but refusing to accept reality does not alter what is reality.
Why would they consent to playing us late in the season? Well we will gladly ruin their season early if they like, but it is wiser later in the year after we are “banged up”. That’s what we tell them. They’ll totally believe it. They aren’t that smart to figure it out in the South. I mean just look at em...yeesh.
We’re both the home team. But we are State we make the rules, not them those days are over. Look if Muttlake College doesn’t want to play in Ellensburg we send a letter to every recruit in the area and ask if they really want to play for a school that is afraid to drive an hour and half to play a football game?
They cave quicker than Petersen’s confidence in Browning.
