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There are very, very few people that like Biden and I don't look forward to seeing his time as President continue. That said, if the alternate is Donald Trump....sign me up for Biden in a heartbeat. It will be an absolute disaster for our country if Trump is President again. The man is a psychopath and everyone who isn't licking his orange tinted taint knows that.
They both suck for different reasons, and in a sane world they’d both be enjoying life at Shady Pines retirement community instead of finding new ways to F up the country.
 
They both suck for different reasons, and in a sane world they’d both be enjoying life at Shady Pines retirement community instead of finding new ways to F up the country.
No argument there. If Trump wasn't running I think that Biden would step aside. I believe he thinks (and I agree) that he is the only Dem who can beat the orange one.
 
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No argument there. If Trump wasn't running I think that Biden would step aside. I believe (and agree) that he is the only Dem who can beat the orange one.
My fear is that RFK Jr. gives the election to Trump. I don't think he's really anyone's choice either, but how many democrats are going to see him as preferable to Biden, so they split the D vote?

Then again, the R's can't really agree on anything either.
 
My fear is that RFK Jr. gives the election to Trump. I don't think he's really anyone's choice either, but how many democrats are going to see him as preferable to Biden, so they split the D vote?

Then again, the R's can't really agree on anything either.
No kidding. This Jim Jordan thing is laughable. I posted the question way back as they were deposing McCarthy. Who are they going to replace him with? Jim Jordan is about the worst option imaginable. There has got to be some moderate, quiet R out there that could pacify all those nutcases.
 
This is a totally crazy thread but the mention of Herschel the sea lion made me laugh. We lived in Seattle at the time and I can't believe I had forgotten about poor Herschel.
 
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He's a sensitive little fella. That, or he's into MILFS and GILFS...and I'm not judging, as I was at that NCU game and had to put an extra nitroglycerin tab under my tongue. Yowza, yowza!

Does Gilfs mean grandmas or something? Asking for a friend.
 
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My fear is that RFK Jr. gives the election to Trump. I don't think he's really anyone's choice either, but how many democrats are going to see him as preferable to Biden, so they split the D vote?

Then again, the R's can't really agree on anything either.
early polling shows RFK drawing from trump 2 to 1 over biden
 
I'm not sure how much better that makes me feel. Honestly, I look at the 3 of them and can't help thinking 'is this it? is this the best we can do?'

I believe that's what all of us are saying. Republicans in particular used to put forward candidates that we could be legitimately proud of. Bush Sr. was the first President that I could vote for and I was happy to vote for him and felt that he got screwed in 1992 for things that were out of his control. Dole in 1996 was a hell of a lot better man than anyone in politics today. Bush Jr was a little more divisive but was far better regarded by most non-liberals by the time he was done. He was guilty of giving Cheney too much rope though. McCain would have won if he hadn't picked Sarah Palin. She was the first sign that the GOP was losing its way. Mitt Romney was a good choice even though the maniacal GOP of today wouldn't agree. Lots of good candidates over the years and now we have an entire stage of pathetic wannabes or has beens. To quote the Cheeto...."It's very sad".
 
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I believe that's what all of us are saying. Republicans in particular used to put forward candidates that we could be legitimately proud of. Bush Sr. was the first President that I could vote for and I was happy to vote for him and felt that he got screwed in 1992 for things that were out of his control. Dole in 1996 was a hell of a lot better man than anyone in politics today. Bush Jr was a little more divisive but was far better regarded by most non-liberals by the time he was done. He was guilty of giving Cheney too much rope though. McCain would have won if he hadn't picked Sarah Palin. She was the first sign that the GOP was losing its way. Mitt Romney was a good choice even though the maniacal GOP of today wouldn't agree. Lots of good candidates over the years and now we have an entire stage of pathetic wannabes or has beens. To quote the Cheeto...."It's very sad".
Well...

I can't think of glaring negatives of Bush Sr. He kind of got saddled with economic issues as the Reagan-era boom started to fade. But his bigger sin was winning the Gulf War and failing to remove Saddam. People didn't understand that there was a good and logical reason for that - Saddam actually stabilized the region.

Dole's biggest problem was that he was a step backward. Voters had moved to the new generation when they elected Clinton. Electing Dole seemed too much like giving control back to grandpa. And he was just so bland.

Bush Jr. was a waste of 8 years. He's the real originator of "alternate facts," and didn't have the sense to follow daddy's lead in stabilizing the Middle East. Cheney was running way too much while George was in his room reading comic books or something, and channeling as much as possible of Iraq/Afghanistan into his own pockets.

McCain looked pretty good for years, but when he started actively campaigning, his cheese slipped off the cracker. Dude seemed nuts well before he picked Palin...although that was certainly his nuttiest move. His team's screening of her couldn't have been very good, since she couldn't answer basic questions in a simple interview. She wasn't the first sign the GOP was losing its way though - Little Bush was a pretty good sign of that.

Romney had some of the same issues as Dole. He was boring, and came off as too much of a used car salesman. No new ideas, he was just a default back to the typical Republican.

Right now, I'd be fairly happy if there were R's that would default back to the old model. Now I consider "typical Republican" to be a pretty bad thing.
 
No kidding. This Jim Jordan thing is laughable. I posted the question way back as they were deposing McCarthy. Who are they going to replace him with? Jim Jordan is about the worst option imaginable. There has got to be some moderate, quiet R out there that could pacify all those nutcases.
Prefaced to say I am pretty right of center...but is Jim Jordan an inbred? He reminds me of the kid in Deliverance.
 
Prefaced to say I am pretty right of center...but is Jim Jordan an inbred? He reminds me of the kid in Deliverance.
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Prefaced to say I am pretty right of center...but is Jim Jordan an inbred? He reminds me of the kid in Deliverance.
I think it’s as simple as Trump wants a shutdown. Kev pushed through a CR so he got MTVed by FC/MAGA. Gym will do the shutdown if he’s speaker, and he’ll keep it shutdown weather he gets speaker or not. Win/win.
 
I believe that's what all of us are saying. Republicans in particular used to put forward candidates that we could be legitimately proud of. Bush Sr. was the first President that I could vote for and I was happy to vote for him and felt that he got screwed in 1992 for things that were out of his control. Dole in 1996 was a hell of a lot better man than anyone in politics today. Bush Jr was a little more divisive but was far better regarded by most non-liberals by the time he was done. He was guilty of giving Cheney too much rope though. McCain would have won if he hadn't picked Sarah Palin. She was the first sign that the GOP was losing its way. Mitt Romney was a good choice even though the maniacal GOP of today wouldn't agree. Lots of good candidates over the years and now we have an entire stage of pathetic wannabes or has beens. To quote the Cheeto...."It's very sad".
Well I voted for Bush Sr too but his gift of Clarence the Whore to the Christian conservative movement is unforgivable. There is still much to admire about Bush Sr. However calling Jr “a little more divisive” is revisionist history: he was nothing short of a complete disaster.

Sarah Palin the first sign of GOP losing its way? You could make a better argument for Reagan appealing to Christian conservatives: that’s the first time the GOP made a real deal with the devil. Or Newt Gingrich and the Contract on America: you can draw a straight line from Newt through the ‘Merican morons of the Tea Party, Sarah Palin, Kevin McCarthy, Gym Jordan, Trump, Gaetz, Boebert, Tommy Tuberville and Herschel Walker; just one tiny step removed from Banjo Boy as the next GOP presidential nominee.
 
In real world news:

Gym goes down harder the third time.
The Rs have a resolution to kick out the temp. speaker.🤷🏼‍♂️
Chesebro flipped, to join Powell from yesterday.
 
In real world news:

Gym goes down harder the third time.
The Rs have a resolution to kick out the temp. speaker.🤷🏼‍♂️
Chesebro flipped, to join Powell from yesterday.
Where are you getting this from? I see the Jordan 3rd flop, but the temp speaker thing? And I have no idea what your 3rd sentence means.
 
Where are you getting this from? I see the Jordan 3rd flop, but the temp speaker thing? And I have no idea what your 3rd sentence means.
They’re co-defendants in the GA RICO trial. Pled out and will testify. Powell was known as the kraken.

Rep. Greg Steube(R) FL showed the resolution, on twitter.
 
Where are you getting this from? I see the Jordan 3rd flop, but the temp speaker thing? And I have no idea what your 3rd sentence means.
Chesebro and Powell are attorneys for Trump that are part of the BS racketeering charges down in Atlanta. They both have accepted plea deals to much lower charges in return for testifying against others that have been charged, most importantly Trump and Rudy G.
 
If it’s bs, why did they plead?
Simple answer is, because they knew they were going to lose. More complicated, they probably realized that it's only a matter of time before Trump found a way to throw them to the wolves, so they might as well go down on their own terms.
 
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