Reach out to Urban Meyer/Rick Neuheisel
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Eck would have been solid. WSU is a better job than UNM. Not that either are all that great at this time.
Maybe he Mike Price'd and didn't sign the contract.
Maybe he Mike Price'd and didn't sign the contract.
That's a hard no, and also Meyer isn't ever coaching at Wazzu. Neuheisel? When did he coach in college last time?
How about when was the last time Neuheisel was actually successful? 2000?
Find an up and comer, build the program, and try to cultivate potential internal hires for continuity.
Should try to get the James Madison coach, but I'm a) doubtful we could afford him, and b) is WSU a better job?
Any thoughts on how Dickert will do at Wake Forest? Tough job. About as good as he could get, though.
By the way, Wake Forest's endowment fund is about double that of Wazzu's. Small school. He's going to have a tough time winning there, even if the unstable ACC is a not strong conference.
Any thoughts on how Dickert will do at Wake Forest? Tough job. About as good as he could get, though.
By the way, Wake Forest's endowment fund is about double that of Wazzu's. Small school. He's going to have a tough time winning there, even if the unstable ACC is a not strong conference.
Ed, with all due respect to your suggestion, those two coaches harbored killers on their teams
I don’t think grabbing guys who’ve been enjoying the tv life is really the way to go.
They’ve made their money and had their success at the highest college level how motivated are they gonna be to win a p12 title which is basically the equivalent of a MWC title?
Gotta find someone hungry to win at the FBS level. I think there’s plenty of guys that can coach, recruiting is the wild card. Its always been hard selling Pullman, it’s become that much harder in the last couple of years.
This business is as dirty as it’s ever been though, so I say F it and go all in on being dirty. Have strippers in the FOB, ignore “dead periods” and contact players whenever you want to. F the NCAA, they aren’t policing shit anymore anyways.
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The last thing an accomplished coach who doesn't need money wants to do is step in at WSU. There are numerous reasons.
We need a name that buys us three years .And if it costs an extra mil we dont have, find it.
These guys very rarely get coaching completely out of their blood
I'm thinking Bama fires DeBoer next season and Jennifer Cohen hires him at USC.
HHusky...what say you? Plausible??
Neuheisel isn't a name. And he's a bum. I guess Myer still has some cache. But it makes no sense.
Kicking the can down the road three years does what? Creates a HC opening for Jerry Neuheisel?
I just gave Idaho a call. They had to put me on hold because a call came in from Dennis Erickson. Then I called Anne McCoy. She couldn't talk because she was waiting for a call from Dennis Erickson.
WSU is a three year job.. so you hire Montana States coach and he sniffs success. Your roster and coaches and coach get swept away
Your brain is stuck in 1983.
We’re going to have to build the program as being a stepping stone.
It's a LATERAL JOB. Technically in theory, it's technically a just barely semi step up, but in reality, if Wake Forest had been in PAC 12, it would have been equal to WSU and also left behind too.
Wake Forest only has more money then WSU, because it's 1. In a bigger city. 2. In ACC. But it does have more money.
Also Wake Forest is, has always been a BASKETBALL college. Several times Wake Forest has almost Dumped, got rid of their football program. And Wake Forest used to be in the pretty much Basketball only Big Least East.
What terrible luck, and this doesn't make any sense, and is a bad fit for both Wake Forest and Dickert.
And Dickert is a Hypocrit with him complaining about lack of loyalty from players that leaving.
There was 2,3,4 other shortlist candidates that probably better then Dickert. And Dickert 8-4, 3 game losing streak to end the same, which a bad finish. There was only about a 27% to 33% chance, based on there being 2,3,4 others on shortlist that probably better then Dickert, so of course WSU gets hit, and of course Wake Forest goes defies those odds, percents, and goes after Dickert, and hits WSU, the worst off, most hurting college in G5, P4, D1 football right now. Yep Wake Forest had to go Kick WSU when WSU was most down, and needed to not be kicked. Yep Wake Forest had to get a bad fit for them in Dickert. Nope Wake Forest didn't hire a better coach, fit, then Dickert and didn't hit a college that way better able to take a hit then WSU.
Totally defies the odds, doesn't make sense, was, is a bad fit, totally unfair(Then again when is life fair).
Will be wishing the worst football wise, for both Wake Forest, Dickert.
Wouldn't be surprised if ESPN, FOX, ACC put Wake Forest up to this in doing this to WSU, so that WSU wouldn't have a good season this coming next season, so that the PAC 7,8 won't get a good 8th football school, and not get a good media deal, so that wouldn't be a future threat to the weak ACC, that might fall apart in future, so that ACC left overs wouldn't go to PAC 7,8,12,X in future.
Sky is now falling, has fallen at WSU.
Rant Over
What original P12 programs aren't steppingstones? UW's coaching carrosel is as bad as ours over the past 30 years. Oregon State? Oregon? Stanford? Cal? Colorado? UCLA? USC? ASU? Arizona?
When Dennis took the Vandal job Vandals paid him 200k i think. The other four million was covered by the 49ers.
Who knows if you don't ask. Maybe ending his coaching career where the pressure is not what it is at Ohio State, and may
All of the coaches can last 5 years if they wanted, we just need to get the boat centered. But feel free to put your faith in an unproven commodity.
Well, Neuheisel has proven he's not worth hiring.
I'd rather have an up and comer instead of a retread.
Realistically, if it's someone with head coach experience it's someone at the FCS level. Young, hungry, and probably looking for a stepping stone and can bring a staff that would actually get a pay bump plus players.
Two completely different ideas here from me. One the standard way they'll probably go, and the second something unconventional that could make sense.
Convntional path:
Get Vigen if they can. Yes, he's going to be featured in every article about openings at bigger programs from the day he's on campus, and he'll probably leave within 2-3 years if he does well. That's reality, though. Dickert probably would have gone the Smith route last year if he had finished the year better. All of these guys either are going to fail or get hired somewhere else inside of 3-4 years, and they'll likely leave with their first 8-5 year. That's just reality.
Unconventional path:
A completely different way to go is to get an older guy who just is a damned good coach, and who won't leave even if the team does OK, just because he isn't out there chasing every dollar and doesn't want to go to a high-pressure program, even if it means 3-5x the money, and those programs won't want him anyway since they know his life stage. This could work particularly well if the guy ran a system, something the program could be or become known for. This is especially great if he has a son or some other close figure who he could groom to take over the job. Then you still have to worry about the son being poached and having to do this all over again, but at that point, you may have had 5-10 years of solid football and a pretty stable roster, recruitment, and coaching situation. Like, say, what Air Force has had going for a while until this past season.
Running a system--a football equivalent to the pack defense, perhaps, if it isn't completely obvious where I'm going with this--always has made some sense at WSU, but now, with the disadvantages getting worse and multiplying in number, now could be the time. Yeah, you're likely capping yourself at being a plucky 8-5 or 9-4 team absent something extraordinary, but outside of praying for a year where absolutely everything comes together, WSU practically is capped at that anyway. Further, even in the scenario where you hire the next great head coach, and he has that one big year where we go 10-3 and lose a decent bowl game after that coach leaves and half our roster is poached, it all blows up then anyway, and I'm not convinced our likelihood of that is much greater, if at all, with the conventional path than the system/service academy-style program path anyway,
Convntional path:
Get Vigen if they can. Yes, he's going to be featured in every article about openings at bigger programs from the day he's on campus, and he'll probably leave within 2-3 years if he does well. That's reality, though. Dickert probably would have gone the Smith route last year if he had finished the year better. All of these guys either are going to fail or get hired somewhere else inside of 3-4 years, and they'll likely leave with their first 8-5 year. That's just reality.
Unconventional path:
A completely different way to go is to get an older guy who just is a damned good coach, and who won't leave even if the team does OK, just because he isn't out there chasing every dollar and doesn't want to go to a high-pressure program, even if it means 3-5x the money, and those programs won't want him anyway since they know his life stage. This could work particularly well if the guy ran a system, something the program could be or become known for. This is especially great if he has a son or some other close figure who he could groom to take over the job. Then you still have to worry about the son being poached and having to do this all over again, but at that point, you may have had 5-10 years of solid football and a pretty stable roster, recruitment, and coaching situation. Like, say, what Air Force has had going for a while until this past season.
Running a system--a football equivalent to the pack defense, perhaps, if it isn't completely obvious where I'm going with this--always has made some sense at WSU, but now, with the disadvantages getting worse and multiplying in number, now could be the time. Yeah, you're likely capping yourself at being a plucky 8-5 or 9-4 team absent something extraordinary, but outside of praying for a year where absolutely everything comes together, WSU practically is capped at that anyway. Further, even in the scenario where you hire the next great head coach, and he has that one big year where we go 10-3 and lose a decent bowl game after that coach leaves and half our roster is poached, it all blows up then anyway, and I'm not convinced our likelihood of that is much greater, if at all, with the conventional path than the system/service academy-style program path anyway,
For the unconventional path, you're talking about plucking a crusty old dude from FCS, DII or something like that?
Good post as usual 425.
Just keep coming back to "will a series of 8-5 or 9-4 seasons satisfy a fan base that has seen the Cougs be a Top 25 regular over the last decade?"
The rebooted Pac-12 is a nice, but getting WSU to the Big XII would be even better (jmo). A playoff appearance or two and a jam-packed Martin Stadium could be a difference-maker in getting that invite (assuming that's what Anne McCoy wants).
Since most of these ideas are ridiculous here is another:
Contact the Saudis. we need LIV money. Gets them into the US College football market, be the best g-5 school money can buy, and you make the playoffs every year. While they are at it. get them to throw a couple 100 million into research dollars, so now we are a football school and academic powerhouse.
Contact the Saudis. we need LIV money. Gets them into the US College football market, be the best g-5 school money can buy, and you make the playoffs every year. While they are at it. get them to throw a couple 100 million into research dollars, so now we are a football school and academic powerhouse.
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