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Cal has 18 more shots in this game before Jakimovski hits the 3. Gotta' limit them on the boards.
Welp, we may have seen the Cougs piss away the tourney tonight. Bummer. Gonna be an uphill battle now.
This will be tough to look back on. Had a shot clock violation and missed a lot of open shots. They went out and took it from us. It's tough to sweep on the road.
That isn’t what happened . They miss free throws . They hit zoned up taking Jknes out of the game . And playing as hard as they did at Stanford it is hard to have the same energy especially playing a short bench .
It is exactly what happened. You act like Cal had rested coming into the game. You seem to think that the gist of what you wrote and what I wrote is mutually exclusive. It isn't. If all it takes to take Jones out of the game is the zone, WSU will never win another game this year.
Even with all that the game was won, you can’t take your foot off the gas up 7 with 2 minutes left. That’s an eternity. Gotta keep running your stuff until the other team has to foul. Cougs were breaking them down every time down the court then they switch up to starting their play with eight seconds on the clock? This one is squarely on Smith, boneheaded.
They were consistent to say the least. End of 1st half in the last 2 minutes nothing, zero no points. Let ‘s take the last 2 minutes of the second half, nothing, zero points until Miles hit the 3 with a couple of ticks left. Now the last 2 minutes of OT nothing, zero points until Jak made a layup with only a couple of ticks left.
1. Cal who has had TRASHY, PATHETIC, EMBARRASSING LOSSES TO TRASH TEAMS, of course has one of it's better games of season vs WSU.
2. Yeah WSU was having a bad game, some bad coaching decisions, but the following CRAP made it even WORSE.
3. 1 27% from 3 Cal player hit a 3, and another 30% from 3 Cal player hit a 3. That's 6 points.
4. Cal player hit a extremely super deep DESPERATION MIRACLE HEAVE BANKED 3, that's 9 points.
5. Cal hit a CIRCUS 2 point shot, that's 11 points.
6. Cal hit a bad banked 2, that's 13 points.
7. Refs made, had 1,2,3 bad missed calls, fouls. 1 of which WSU player was driving, GOT ABSOLUTELY HACKED, MUGGED by 3 Cal players. Even announcers said that. Smith almost got a technical over it. Cal went down and got a 3, for a 5 point swing on the missed foul call. That's 5 more points + 4 more points from the other 2 refs missing not calling fouls, so thats 9 total more points.
8. WSU missed about 6,7,8 freethrows, for 7 more points.
9. WSU had about 5 to 7 to 9 shots where the ball was about 67% of the way in, made and miraculously popped out. If WSU makes at least 2 of those, that 4 more points.
10. That's 6 points from point 3 + 3 points from point 4 + 2 points from point 5 + 2 points from point 6 + 9 points from point 7 + 7 points from point 8 + 4 more points from point 9. That's 33 more points WSU either could have had, should have had, or been down by less points etc.
The point is, if not for all that BS, CRAP, WSU WOULD HAVE, SHOULD HAVE WON EASILY, AND THAT CRAP HAPPENING MADE THE GAME HARDER THEN IT HAD TO BE.
It's bad enough that WSU was having a bad game, and some bad coaching, but that BS, CRAP, had to happen to make the bad game, bad coaching, etc, even worse and turn the game into a loss.
And despite the bad game, bad coaching, WSU only had 9,10 turnovers all game. Played hard. Played mostly ok defense, most of time, despite the occasional defensive letdown, and mostly rebounded ok, except for the occasional rebounding letdown.
About the only thing WSU did bad, beside the bad game, bad coaching, was the abysmal Freethrow shooting, and the bad shooting.
Yes this loss stings, but at least it was a close game in overtime on the road, so WSU won't get marked down as much for the upset because WSU has marquee wins to counter balance this upset, and because this is the only bad loss, upset of the entire season, and because teams like Arizona, Utah, Oregon, Colorado, UW, Stanford, have also had 1 bad loss, upset, etc.
If WSU flushes this, and moves on from this, and plays like they are capable of playing, and WSU can still semi easily win 19,20,21,22,23 wins before PAC Tourny, and still have about a 13-7,12-8,11-9 conference record, and still end up tied for 3rd, tied or alone in 4th, alone in 5th, in conference, and then win 1 PAC tourny game, and have about a 67% chance to bubble into NCAA tourny.
Only 1 bad upset loss all season long does not or does not have to make, define a season, or WSU's season.
If WSU splits vs Utah or Colorado, the WSU train is back on track, assuming WSU doesn't suffer more bad upset losses or go on losing streaks, and beats ASU, Stanford, Ore St, DOWN USC, DOWN UCLA, Washington at, in Pullman, etc.
The Sky hasn't fallen, at least not yet.
2. Yeah WSU was having a bad game, some bad coaching decisions, but the following CRAP made it even WORSE.
3. 1 27% from 3 Cal player hit a 3, and another 30% from 3 Cal player hit a 3. That's 6 points.
4. Cal player hit a extremely super deep DESPERATION MIRACLE HEAVE BANKED 3, that's 9 points.
5. Cal hit a CIRCUS 2 point shot, that's 11 points.
6. Cal hit a bad banked 2, that's 13 points.
7. Refs made, had 1,2,3 bad missed calls, fouls. 1 of which WSU player was driving, GOT ABSOLUTELY HACKED, MUGGED by 3 Cal players. Even announcers said that. Smith almost got a technical over it. Cal went down and got a 3, for a 5 point swing on the missed foul call. That's 5 more points + 4 more points from the other 2 refs missing not calling fouls, so thats 9 total more points.
8. WSU missed about 6,7,8 freethrows, for 7 more points.
9. WSU had about 5 to 7 to 9 shots where the ball was about 67% of the way in, made and miraculously popped out. If WSU makes at least 2 of those, that 4 more points.
10. That's 6 points from point 3 + 3 points from point 4 + 2 points from point 5 + 2 points from point 6 + 9 points from point 7 + 7 points from point 8 + 4 more points from point 9. That's 33 more points WSU either could have had, should have had, or been down by less points etc.
The point is, if not for all that BS, CRAP, WSU WOULD HAVE, SHOULD HAVE WON EASILY, AND THAT CRAP HAPPENING MADE THE GAME HARDER THEN IT HAD TO BE.
It's bad enough that WSU was having a bad game, and some bad coaching, but that BS, CRAP, had to happen to make the bad game, bad coaching, etc, even worse and turn the game into a loss.
And despite the bad game, bad coaching, WSU only had 9,10 turnovers all game. Played hard. Played mostly ok defense, most of time, despite the occasional defensive letdown, and mostly rebounded ok, except for the occasional rebounding letdown.
About the only thing WSU did bad, beside the bad game, bad coaching, was the abysmal Freethrow shooting, and the bad shooting.
Yes this loss stings, but at least it was a close game in overtime on the road, so WSU won't get marked down as much for the upset because WSU has marquee wins to counter balance this upset, and because this is the only bad loss, upset of the entire season, and because teams like Arizona, Utah, Oregon, Colorado, UW, Stanford, have also had 1 bad loss, upset, etc.
If WSU flushes this, and moves on from this, and plays like they are capable of playing, and WSU can still semi easily win 19,20,21,22,23 wins before PAC Tourny, and still have about a 13-7,12-8,11-9 conference record, and still end up tied for 3rd, tied or alone in 4th, alone in 5th, in conference, and then win 1 PAC tourny game, and have about a 67% chance to bubble into NCAA tourny.
Only 1 bad upset loss all season long does not or does not have to make, define a season, or WSU's season.
If WSU splits vs Utah or Colorado, the WSU train is back on track, assuming WSU doesn't suffer more bad upset losses or go on losing streaks, and beats ASU, Stanford, Ore St, DOWN USC, DOWN UCLA, Washington at, in Pullman, etc.
The Sky hasn't fallen, at least not yet.
Not if they do the same crap down the stretch. You’ve got to keep playing ball.
WSU missed 6,7,8,9 freethrows. If they had made at least half of those or 70% from the Freethrow line, instead of about 49% from the Freethrow line and WSU would have won by 3 to 5 to 7 points, instead of being tied at end of regulation and going to overtime.
Even if WSU did or had done the same bad coaching, etc, and taken their foot off the gas pedal, with 2 minutes left, WSU would have had about a 10 to 12 to 14 point lead with 2 minutes left, instead of a 7 point lead with 2 minutes left.
And while Cal overcame a 7 point deficit with 2 minutes left, Cal wouldn't have overcame a 10 to 12 to 14 point deficit with 2 minutes left, even with WSU taking foot off the gas, and trying to go conservative, defensive, prevent, playing not to lose, etc.
Now Maybe a team like Arizona could, would, etc, overcome a 10 to 12 to 14 point deficit with 2 minutes, if a team like WSU was playing not to lose, taking foot off gas, etc.
But Cal is no Arizona, so WSU would probably would have won, with a 10 to 12 to 14 point lead, with 2 minutes left, even with taking foot off of gas.
So yes, if WSU had shot 70% from Freethrow line instead of 49%, WSU would have won.
But the Silver lining is hopefully the players, team, coach learning, remembering the importance of good freethrow shooting, and the importance of not taking foot off gas and not taking foot off neck, and having the killer instinct, and finishing off opponents.
Taking their foot off the gas blew the game. Nothing else
It's usually not 1 single thing that singlely lost the game.
Usually there are multiple things that if done or done better it would have been a win.
Yes, if WSU had not taken foot off gas in last 2 minutes, then WSU would have won.
BUT if WSU had SHOT better, It wouldnt have even come to that, been that close, and would have won.
If WSU had shot 70% from Freethrow line, instead of 49% from Freethrow line, then it would not have come to that, been that close, and WSU would have won.
BAD FREETHROW SHOOTING IS A LEGIT REASON WHY TEAMS LOSE.
BAD FREETHROW SHOOTING IS JUST AS NOT ACCEPTABLE AS taking foot off of gas.
If WSU had not had 9,10 turnovers, even tho that's not a lot of turnovers(13 to 15 to 17+ turnovers is a lot), WSU would have won.
Taking foot off the gas is not the ONLY reason.
Actually it is…taking your foot off the gas is a choice. Missing free throws just happens sometimes unexplainably. Same way a .330 hitter can go 1 for 25 over a stretch. They didn’t lose because they missed free throws they lost because they tried to run the clock out way too early.
Your baseball comparison is not a valid comparison in this situation.
If WSU had lost the game because of only 1 missed Freethrow, down the stretch or at end of game, THEN your baseball example would apply because occasional misses at the Freethrow is a normal part of game.
Going 49% from the Freethrow line is NOT acceptable. If it happens 1 time over the season, then yes maybe it would be borderline acceptable.
Making freethrows is a HUGE focus part of bball. Most players can shoot at least 70% from Freethrow line at minimum.
When I was at Big Bend Community College, as a student, mascot, player, etc, their BBALL TEAM NEVER SHOT 49%, in fact I don't think they have even shot 49% over the last 33 years let alone shoot 49% to 58% to 66% CONSISTENTLY from the Freethrow line like WSU has done this season.
And part of the reason why BBCC didn't miss freethrows is because of how hard they worked on that in practice.
WSU has lost at least 2 games because of BAD freethrow shooting, and have even had BAD freethrow shooting in wins, and have been CONSISTENTLY BAD IN THEIR FREETHROW SHOOTING MOST OF THE SEASON.
WSU's BAD FREETHROW SHOOTING, shooting 49% to 58% to 67% time and time and time and time again is costing WSU wins.
And it's FIXABLE. It just takes time and HARD WORK, PRACTICE to FIX it.
If Garfield Palouse highschool can shoot freethrows well, WSU can shoot freethrows well.
Bad freethrow shooting is not like Batting, in baseball or 2 point and 3 point shooting in bball, because in Freethrow shooting you are extremely WIDE OPEN UNCONTESTED AND HAVE ALL DAY TO SHOOT.
2 point and 3 point shots and at Bats in baseball are usually rushed, contested.
A better comparison to Freethrow shooting would be if pitchers were to throw 10 mile per hour, soft, perfectly, easily hittable pitches to batters.
If that were to happen, professional baseball players would bat about .850 averages and wouldn't go 1 out of 25, etc, and instead would consistently bat about 17 out of 25.
WSU's EXTREMELY BAD 49% FREETHROW SHOOTING COST THEM THE GAME.
If it cost them the game they wouldn’t have been up 7 with two minutes left. That was after all the missed FTs.
Bingo!!! I mean, come on, Ed-you claim WSU would have trouble sustaining the intensity after getting a comfortable win over Stanford? Well, how tough was it for Cal, after suffering a dagger in the heart against the uw in their last game? They played with more passion, aggression, and brains than did WSU, and that stinks!
Face it- Cal came out more aggressive and stayed that way throughout the game. WSU was sluggish, often a step slow and that is exhibited in two categories- offensive rebounds and turnovers. Cal lead in OR's by 13-5 and it was past the 10 minute mark in the SECOND half before WSU was able to get their second turnover. Cal played the entire 40 minutes of regulation with only two turnovers, that tells you that WSU was not on top of their game. As for WSU turnovers and their mental state, just think back to near the end of the game and Rice's lazy pass to the head of the key that was picked for a layup. Terrible.
Uh, yes. 70% would be one more. We would win by one. But let's not forget Cal's 13 offensive rebounds, 15 second chance points or 11 fast break points. We had one.
Men's Basketball vs California on 1/20/2024 - Box Score - Washington State University Athletics
The official box score of Men's Basketball vs California on 1/20/2024
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You know, I just realized that "choked" has the same meaning as another 6-letter word that starts with "C". How interesting.
not nearly as offensiveUh, yes. 70% would be one more. We would win by one. But let's not forget Cal's 13 offensive rebounds, 15 second chance points or 11 fast break points. We had one.
Men's Basketball vs California on 1/20/2024 - Box Score - Washington State University Athletics
The official box score of Men's Basketball vs California on 1/20/2024
You know, I just realized that "choked" has the same meaning as another 6-letter word that starts with "C". How interesting.
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Couged it refers to the Washington State University Cougars football team.
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Refers to the Washington State University (Cougars) football team: 1. To snatch defeat from the jaws of victory 2. To lose when there is no possible way to do so, and to do it in a particularly spectacular manner
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And on and on. The whole world knows the phrase and accepts it and they even apply it to their own teams when they "C" it. I am kind of proud of it frankly. What other school has such a universally known phrase attached to them?
Proud of being made fun of as a loser? Wulff must have made you ecstaticYou guys slay me. Waaah.
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couged it Meaning & Origin | Slang by Dictionary.com
Couged it refers to the Washington State University Cougars football team.
Urban Dictionary: coug it
Refers to the Washington State University (Cougars) football team: 1. To snatch defeat from the jaws of victory 2. To lose when there is no possible way to do so, and to do it in a particularly spectacular manner
And on and on. The whole world knows the phrase and accepts it and they even apply it to their own teams when they "C" it. I am kind of proud of it frankly. What other school has such a universally known phrase attached to them?
Dawg it…when you .hit your peak then lose your coach and entire roster to more prestigious programs subjecting you to years of mediocrity when you thought you had finally made it to the adult table of college football. Dawg it…you like?You guys slay me. Waaah.
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couged it Meaning & Origin | Slang by Dictionary.com
Couged it refers to the Washington State University Cougars football team.
Urban Dictionary: coug it
Refers to the Washington State University (Cougars) football team: 1. To snatch defeat from the jaws of victory 2. To lose when there is no possible way to do so, and to do it in a particularly spectacular manner
And on and on. The whole world knows the phrase and accepts it and they even apply it to their own teams when they "C" it. I am kind of proud of it frankly. What other school has such a universally known phrase attached to them?
This is such an unbelievably stupid, ridiculous, insane outlook I don't even know where to start.You guys slay me. Waaah.
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couged it Meaning & Origin | Slang by Dictionary.com
Couged it refers to the Washington State University Cougars football team.
Urban Dictionary: coug it
Refers to the Washington State University (Cougars) football team: 1. To snatch defeat from the jaws of victory 2. To lose when there is no possible way to do so, and to do it in a particularly spectacular manner
And on and on. The whole world knows the phrase and accepts it and they even apply it to their own teams when they "C" it. I am kind of proud of it frankly. What other school has such a universally known phrase attached to them?
Says the guy who gets all his news from Redstate.com? I like you bud but pot meet kettle. Or don't throw rocks when you live in a glass house.
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1. WTF does RedState have to do with that despicable term?Says the guy who gets all his news from Redstate.com? I like you bud but pot meet kettle. Or don't throw rocks when you live in a glass house.
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2. My journeys to RedState are occasional, not a source that I "Get all my news from". Primary site for getting opinions and info on social and political issues is realclearpolitics.com. If you are brave emough to try it out you will discover that they almost always present a Point/Counterpoint approach. Novel concept.
3. Why in the world did you pick something from RS that is 3 years old to discuss the despicable term?
4. My comment "This is such an unbelievably stupid, ridiculous, insane outlook I don't even know where to start."
specifically refers to your comment below, and has nothing at all to do with your linked sources (which I didn't bother to look at) but only to your following comment:
And on and on. The whole world knows the phrase and accepts it and they even apply it to their own teams when they "C" it. I am kind of proud of it frankly. What other school has such a universally known phrase attached to them?
Do you think that school over in Montlake embraces and is "kind of proud" of the term "Huck the Fuskies" just because so many other folks use it?
So the burn clock and get fouled in last three minutes of the game with a seven point lead is a Kyle Smith exclusive? Seem like coach K, Dean Smith...and many others used this strategy, hit their free throws and won. If you want to blame Smith blame him for his players for choking at the line and not being better foul shooters at the end of games.
I guess I successfully don't give a f what other people think or say...nor do I internalize it. I take great pride in the fact my school competes at the highest level with the lowest level of support. I take pride in the fact since 1997 WSU has gone to the Rose Bowl more than Stanford, Cal, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon State, and I believe UCLA.
I wonder if minutes caught up to us a bit at the end of the game against Cal.
Stanford, Jakimovski 37, Rice 36, Jones 35, Wells 31, Cluff 29.
Cal, Jakimovski 43, Rice 42, Jones 34, Wells 38, Cluff 23.
Rice especially given he's in his first year. He had the late open midrange shot that I expected him to knock down. Then the first few possessions in OT where we couldn't clear a defensive board. We miss Yesefu a ton. Could take minutes from Rice at the point and still have a scorer on the floor.
Stanford, Jakimovski 37, Rice 36, Jones 35, Wells 31, Cluff 29.
Cal, Jakimovski 43, Rice 42, Jones 34, Wells 38, Cluff 23.
Rice especially given he's in his first year. He had the late open midrange shot that I expected him to knock down. Then the first few possessions in OT where we couldn't clear a defensive board. We miss Yesefu a ton. Could take minutes from Rice at the point and still have a scorer on the floor.
That was my fear before the game. Late game Thursday night early game Saturday, travel, different hotels, etc. Cal on the other hand early game Thursday and Saturday, no travel, own beds.
Sustaining intensity isn’t just a mindset but also has to do with physical. They got tired because of the minutes they played against Stanford . We don’t really have a back up pg . Would help if the kid from Kansas didn’t get hurt . Probably would have helped if Darling was healthy to play five minutes
Ed…Coach k and dean Smitn are not burning clock and waiting to get fouled at that point. It’s way too early in the game.
As for the free throws, they didn’t take any down the stretch. They just pissed away two possessions trying to milk every second off the clock…one possession ended in a Steph curry range contested 3, the other we didn’t even come close to getting a shot off. There comes a time in a game where clock is more valuable than a possession and we weren’t there yet. Run your damn offense and get a good look, even if it’s with 10 seconds left on the shot clock. Kyle smith F’d the end of that game up like Leach F’d the end of the CSU bowl game up (in the opposite way I’ll be it). I love Smith he’s awesome but that shit can’t happen the margins are too thin for us.
That may well have been a contributing (but not only) factor at the very end of the game, but it doesn't explain everything that came before that. Are you going to blame fatigue for their inability to second turnover #2 until after 30 minutes of game action? Couldn't get a second steal, a second travel call, force a second bad pass, a second 5 second call on inbounds, a second turnover of any kind. Inexcusable!
