Rolovich article on ESPN
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Now that we've stopped with the low brow name calling and mud slinging perhaps we can have discourse.
Lets talk about mandates; Are you advocating a full fascist regime style mandate? Jab or die (or prison, perhaps?) Mandates with motivating consequences for non-compliance (lack of access, lack or work). Or more mandates of the style we have right now with a hard out for religious or medical reasons? I'm sure you've stated previously, but please reiterate so we can be completely clear.
Try and connect the dots because I know its difficult for you. Delta variant is spreading and is infecting the vaccinated as well as the unvaccinated. Your stance is that the vaccinated are less likely to transmit the delta variant versus those who are unvaccinated. You then blather on how the new masking mandates are good because of this and people who don't want to get the vaccine are bad. People who have natural immunity and are unvaccinated, would fall into the "unvaccinated" category. My claim is that the people who are unvaccinated but possess natural immunity are just as protected, if not more so, than those who are vaccinated and shouldn't have to get a vaccine to satisfy the fomenting leftists that have been brainwashed by the media and current administration. The vaccine either works or it doesn't and if you have it, then STFU, have a Coke and smile because "U is pruhtekid frum da vairoos". That last part was leftist talk so you will understand better.
The other part of this is that the Delta variant is far less deadlier, according to non-leftist propagating doctors, than were previous variations of Covid. The new hysteria of all this is mind-blowingly asinine and you coming on here to further this lunacy only adds to the level of fear porn being peddled by the media elites.
My statement was < 1% but I digress. This is more than just frustrating, its infuriating especially when you see, what is supposed to be, a non-partisan institution like the CDC riding lock-step with the far leftists of DC by bending the knee to their outrageous and dangerous policies. Maybe more people would be understanding if the approach to all this was more reasonable when we started to get all the information in. Maybe people would be in compliance to mandates if they didn't see their Governors dining in restaurants with their masks off not social distancing right after they told their constituents not to gather for the holidays? Or they didn't hop on a private jet to Florida after telling people not to travel? Or maybe when state politicians go awol on a private jet maskless to DC, only to put the current President and VP at risk of exposure to Covid because many of them were infected? Or when a certain Mayor of Chicago is posing for pictures with musical artists maskless at a music festival where NO ONE was masked and were practically on top of each other in the massive crowd? Yes I want this over with just as much as you and everyone else but you're right, this constant shifting of the goal posts and the "rules for thee but not for me" approach gives me little faith and will only continue to be a monkey humping a door knob approach with no end in sight.
Study: 17 Million Undiagnosed COVID-19 Cases in U.S.
Investigators estimate the actual total number of SARS-CoV-2 infections in the U.S. up until mid-July 2020.
This study would suggest that the number of naturally immune isn't statistically enough to move the needle at about 5%, for what ever that is worth.
If you genuinely believe "We missed our small window to keep the "original" covid 19 and prevent the virus to mutate to the delta...." your brain worms are worse than Oscar's. This is going to be endemic. It's been obvious for a year plus. The delta variant, the lambda variant, the triple omega variant (if anyone is still naming them by then) are going to happen. Vaccinating the world's population was never going to happen in your "small window."
I would advocate for similar mandates to what we have now, for other vaccines. I also support employers mandating vaccines, and requiring it especially for certain types of jobs ( public employees, caregivers, health care, etc.). I support mandates for colleges, high schools, and other schools (when vaccine approved for youth). For any mandates, I support with religious and medical exemptions following existing law on these.
I don’t support criminalizing refusal or imposing fines etc. And I don’t think there Is any serious posssibility of this type of mandate. That would not be reasonably enforceable or help. But if you are calling that fascist, that has been upheld in this country.
So, without going back through 7 pages of bullshit, I'm assuming you came to this thread to state the Rolovich is an asshole for not taking the vaccine.
If he would have stated "God told me not to take it" or "My Dr advised against it", or for that matter if anyone declares that - are they still an asshole (if that's what you believe)?
If you click on my name you can see my previous messages if you want see if your assumption is confirmed without reading the whole thread. I think you will see it is a bit different than that.
And a legitimate religious or medical exemption is more than simple statements like that. There is existing law on those types of exemptions. And if Rolo had cited a religious or medical exemption, it would have avoided much of the Issue with it, and it would be less inconsistent with the message WSU is communicating on the vaccine.
And this issue for WSU/Rolo may still not be over if WSU’s policy changes, possible when vaccine fully approved. I don’t know if that will happen. If it does, I hope, but don’t expect, Rolo will change his stance.
Just out of curiosity, are you a Coug and/or supporter of the football program?
Double H..if I recall you have familiarity with law. If WSU had to cancel a game or two, and fans drove to the games and paid out good money to stay in Pullman; would it be possible for a rogue attorney to file a class action lawsuit claiming a hand full of fans were harmed by the school by not taking action to eliminate or at least putting the school in the best position to play those that were missed games?
This dental hygienist is amazing. Travel advice and now legal advice.
Don't count out any graduate from the Jim Walden School Of Law.
This report definitely includes some interesting information. The rise in traffic in the Wuhan hospitals, internet symptom searches, and the sudden illnesses among international military athletes who were in Wuhan - and all of those things happening simultaneously in September-October 2019 - can’t be ignored. That’s too much coincidence, and certainly doesn’t fit with something at the Wuhan wet market in December.If you’re actually serious.
House Republicans blame COVID-19 on lab leak in new report
Biden in May gave the US intelligence community 90 days to conclude an investigation on COVID-19's origins. That report has not yet come out.www.google.com
But…most of the rest is circumstantial at best, and there’s no smoking gun. The conclusion is basically “this seems plausible, and China’s being evasive, so that proves it.”
China being evasive is evidence of nothing other than…they’re China. They take stuff off the internet all the time, and usually don’t offer explanation. They rarely respond to international calls for answers, because…they’re China.
The fact that a patient zero or an intermediate host hasn’t been found doesn’t mean anything either. Finding patient zero for a respiratory disease that may not result in symptoms isn’t going to happen. Ever. And there are plenty of other diseases (Ebola is an example) where we don’t even know for sure what the natural reservoir is, much less any intermediates. Does that mean Ebola was a lab creation too?
They also make a serious logical leap regarding the gene manipulation. The Wuhan virology lab is known to have participated in gain of function research, and we know some Americans have helped. We know that it’s possible that someone could have created this version of the virus. This report concludes that because they could, they did. That’s a stretch.
There are some characteristics of the virus that seem improbable. But, mutation of any specific characteristic or gene is improbable in a given time span. Over time though, considering the rate at which viruses mutate, mutation of that characteristic or gene starts to approach inevitable. And if it’s a mutation that provides the virus a survival advantage (which jumping species certainly does), it will become common.
I think this report was written with the conclusion in mind. They wanted to say it came from a lab leak, and interpreted information to support that conclusion. It doesn’t, at least not clearly enough to call it proof. It does, I think, show that the lab leak theory cannot be discarded.
Realistically, we’re never going to know for sure, and I don’t really see the point in wasting resources to keep digging. Some want to blame China for the pandemic, and for those people I think we can already do that. Their failure to share information or to implement controls let it get out, and here we are. That happened whether it was a lab leak, a wet market, or a mutant spider bite. Sanction them for that, for what it’s worth…it’s not going to change how China does things. But overall I’d say we’re better off spending resources to develop/distribute a better vaccine and better treatments.
It also (conveniently) provides plausible reasons for the blood banks having Covid antibodies in the fall of 2019.
It’s possible the trade off has already occurred. China made a climate pledge.
You make "China being China" sound so benevolent.
You know, good ol Uncle China - gets too drunk at Thanksgiving and tells off-color jokes. Oh China, you rascal you!
The dude kind of talked himself in a circle. The point of the vaccinations are that it significantly reduces the chances of getting sick, and if you do get sick, your symptoms are significantly reduced or non-existent. He, in the video, says that's what the other approved vaccines do. While trying to shoot down the need to vaccinate, he was making the argument that the Covid-19 vaccine should be administered just like others out there. His argument that the reason why we are having a rise in infections because of the vaccine is stupid and specious. When the vaccinations became available and we were requiring social distancing and mask wearing, the infection rate dropped precipitously in a time where the virus would normally still be going strong. It was only after states started eliminating mask and social distance mandates that we started seeing a steady increase of infections again....and concentrated amongst the unvaccinated.
We've all heard the arguments about masking and he can stick his particle size argument up his a$$. Studies have shown that regardless of particle size nonsense, universal mask wearing dramatically reduces infection rates. Masks suck and I don't want to wear one, but they are an effective tool when infection rates are high.
All that said, I do agree with him that it's not a good idea to force someone who has had coronavirus to get the vaccination, particularly right away. Of course, the CDC does agree with this, since my sister-in-law who just had COVID was told that she needs to wait at least 90 days to get vaccinated. Maybe it should be longer, but they do acknowledge that it's not safe to get the vaccine too soon after infection.
Long story short, having an education doesn't keep someone from having an agenda and squirrelly ideas.
The problem being is that anyone who isn't walking lockstep with Dr Falsi is deemed a heretic and "squirrelly". No ideas other than the group think are welcomed or examined.
I'm not saying that he's right - I don't have that knowledge - but science isn't supposed to be an echo chamber. If someone can make a rational argument it needs to be examined and proven wrong, not dismissed off-handedly because a bunch of scientists who's funding is dependent on what they say all make certain claims. If anyone thinks scientific malfeasance isn't a thing they are either naïve or stupid.
So, you're saying that the ill-fitting, rarely washed cloth masks that we've all been wearing are the key? Or is it the social distancing, reduced capacity for indoor settings, etc.?
I'm saying that all of it sucks...masks, vaccinations, social distancing...etc....but all of them have benefits that have been documented and proven and all of them are better than watching thousands of people die by just letting nature take it's course (although I'm becoming a fan of just letting things run crazy).
The big problem I have is that we have a significant group of our population that doesn't want to vaccinate, doesn't want to mask up, doesn't want to social distance but still wants to go through life like everything is ok. When thousands of people end up in hospitals, that same group of people wants the medical system to take care of them. Lots of talk about "personal responsibility" but lots of people who don't take that responsibility once they get ill. Lots of people change their tune when they can't breathe.
Maybe everything else really is so ineffective that it doesn't make a difference, but that's not how I see it.
Click on the video. This guy was on Biden's transition team.
Ex-Biden COVID Adviser Undercuts CDC, Says Cloth Masks Don't Work
The former COVID adviser said almost all masks being worn around are ineffective, and yet the CDC wants people to continue wearing them.
www.westernjournal.com
heretic. idiot. denier.Click on the video. This guy was on Biden's transition team.
Ex-Biden COVID Adviser Undercuts CDC, Says Cloth Masks Don't Work
The former COVID adviser said almost all masks being worn around are ineffective, and yet the CDC wants people to continue wearing them.
Well, that's a convenient editing of his statements. He was actually arguing in favor of different masks, not no masks. If you look at more of what he talks about, he says that the paper surgical masks are worn beyond their useable life, that a lot of people are wearing masks that are too thin to be effective, or they're wearing them too loosely or not over their mouth and nose. So yes...some of them are the wrong masks, but there's also an issue with how they're worn. He says (even in this clip) that people should be wearing N95s.Click on the video. This guy was on Biden's transition team.
Ex-Biden COVID Adviser Undercuts CDC, Says Cloth Masks Don't Work
The former COVID adviser said almost all masks being worn around are ineffective, and yet the CDC wants people to continue wearing them.
Problem is that going back to the beginning of the masking, there weren't enough N95s for everyone, so the cloth coverings became a "better than nothing" solution (there's also an issue that a lot of N95s have an exhalation port, which defeats their purpose when used for COVID).
His mention of being able to smell smoke is just stupid, because the masks have never been intended to keep things out, they're meant to reduce the exhaled aerosols. Even N95s won't necessarily defeat odors, they're not designed to stop fumes and vapors, they reduce particulates.
Problem actually is... that "they" continue to advocate for cloth masks as a "better than nothing" solution, when in actuality they aren't much better than nothing.
Maybe you should just wear a mask everywhere you go, for the rest of your life? You will have the added benefit of "better than nothing" effectiveness of doing so!! Win win right?
Your post is misinformation. Hit play on the video. Listen to what the man says. I never said that better, actually effective masks, don’t work. He flatly said that cloth masks don’t work. Please tell me how many people use actually effective N95 masks. I will wait patiently. Cloth, ill fitting, rarely washed masks don’t work.
Skin of the truth, stuffed either with lies or midrepresentations. Agree with what you summerized above. He completely lost me with the zinc, ivermectin and vitamin d stuff.
Yeah that definitely has been a problem with masks. Either the type, how long they're worn, how they're worn, how often they're touched and moved, etc. Agree completely. And there is the risk of feeling an over-confidence in their effectiveness which would cause people to ignore the other two legs of the stool (distancing, hand washing ) not just the sole syrategy. I actually think cloth masks probably don't work much at all. Taihtsat
Ill fitting and rarely washed is the wearer's fault. The guidance has been out there since the beginning that they need to cover mouth & nose snugly and be kept clean.
Study of efficacy has shown that they do a pretty good job of reducing distribution of exhaled aerosols, especially the high velocity spread from sneezes and coughs. Not as god as N95, of course, but availability of those was limited. And N95s are pretty damn uncomfortable, especially over longer periods.
Single layer paper or cloth masks (bandannas, most neck gaiters) don’t do much. A growing number of studies and literature reviews - plus the qualitative associations of increased compliance correlating with decreased infections where mask compliance is high - suggest that multi-layered masks (optimal appears to be 3 layers of cloth) are effective at reducing aerosol generation by 50-70%. Velocity is also reduced, but my quick search didn’t quantify by how much.
At this point, it really seems we have 4 options:
- vaccination, which evidence indicates is effective
- masking, which is less effective and doesn’t provide a long-term solution
- Restore lockdowns, which would be highly effective if actually performed/enforced, but also don’t address the long term
- do nothing, keep spreading it around and sacrifice another million Americans
Answer seems pretty clear to me. Already had had to get shots to go to WSU, shots to travel, shots for work, and shots to protect infant relatives. What’s one more to be able to go out without a rag stuck to my face?
I think the bigger problem is people trusting Facebook friends and politicians over science. Maybe you think Fauci is more politician than scientist, and that’s fine…maybe he is, I really don’t care. We all go to the doctor for stuff. Most of us probably know a doctor or two. My sister is a doctor. 4.0 student, UCLA med school, double residency, geneticist. She’s not telling my family to get vaccinated because of some grant or fund. If people listened to their doctors on the vaccine 98% of the country eligible would be vaxxed and we could move on. Doctors aren’t always right but your odds are probably better trusting 98% of doctors on something concerning science/medicine than 40% of politicians and podcast clowns trying to make a buck off of you.
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