What are the chances that Cam

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

is a one and done? If we have a winning record, go to a bowl game and he has AR-esque numbers, I'd say it's at least 50/50.

How would you feel about that, should it happen?

 

[79COUG]

is a one and done? If we have a winning record, go to a bowl game and he has AR-esque numbers, I'd say it's at least 50/50.

How would you feel about that, should it happen?

I think in that scenario the chances are more like 75/25 or more.
Money talks is our new normal... unfortunately.

 

[Coug90]

He’s an NFL talent. It’s really up to him. I’d be thrilled if that was the case because it would mean he had a helluva season, which I think he’s fully capable of.

 

[Coug1990]

is a one and done? If we have a winning record, go to a bowl game and he has AR-esque numbers, I'd say it's at least 50/50.

How would you feel about that, should it happen?

In that scenario, WSU has an outstanding season. I would be very happy for him to be in the NFL in two years.

 

[chugspig]

I trust we can find someone to fill the productivity. That’s one of the beautiful things about the air raid. You can aways find someone who can do damage. Maybe Sam Huard will be ready to play in the air raid by then over at WSU lmao.

 

[CougInSpain]

Leading us to a first ever PAC-12 Championship would definitely do it IMO.

 

[CougEd]

is a one and done? If we have a winning record, go to a bowl game and he has AR-esque numbers, I'd say it's at least 50/50.

How would you feel about that, should it happen?

The greater fear is NIL dollars that will come calling and have him take over at say a Georgia for one year then goes pro.

 

[etowncoug]

The greater fear is NIL dollars that will come calling and have him take over at say a Georgia for one year then goes pro.

If he wants to sit out a year, yup.

 

[CougEd]

If he wants to sit out a year, yup.

Why would he have to sit out ?

 

[kougkurt]

Why would he have to sit out ?

Second transfer

 

[etowncoug]

Why would he have to sit out ?

Learn the rules.

 

[CougEd]

Learn the rules.

Gawd my bad Tron...I didn't see the change in 4/2021. I think it was covid brain and thought they could transfer from FCS to fbs, then fbs would be the one time restricted transfer. Thanks for clearing that up for me,,,

 

[mikalalas]

If he wants to sit out a year, yup.

Doubt he wants to sit out a year, AND leave his FAVORITE coach that he FOLLOWED to Pullman.

And as likely as he would be to start for a Georgia type, he wouldn't want to Sit a year and risk having a 5 STAR, #1 in the nation HS recruit or transfer recruit start the year he sat, then start over him the following year, and risk not getting the MILLIONS( from being a 1st round NFL pick), he would have a better chance at playing in a system he is more familiar with, where he is likely guaranteed to start, put up 4000+ yards, 40+ TD's, etc, at WSU.

And tho he would probably get a lot more NIL then the 100k he is getting at WSU, the ones who gave him the $100k NIL DEAL for him to go-to WSU, probably have a provision in the deal that either forbids him from getting a better, higher deal somewhere else or requires him letting them match or exceed another deal, an or leave clause exceptions such as if Morris, Dickert fired, etc.

Long story short he is SEMI PROBABLY not gonna leave WSU unless he can be drafted top 1,2,(Maybe 1st pick of 3rd round at worst)rounds, in the first day of draft, etc.

 

[cr8zyncalif]

Before any of this happens, we have to have a "blow off the doors" season. Assuming we do that, why would someone leave unless they have a first two rounds opportunity in the NFL? Why risk anything, or sit out a year? If the NFL doesn't want you in the first 2 rounds, come back for another "blow off the doors" season, and then you WILL be taken in the first two rounds the next draft. And the money you get from that in the NFL makes NIL money look like chump change. And...not to belabor the point...but doing ANYTHING to jeopardize that would be a real chump move.

Let's focus on that great season this fall, and go from there.

 

[95coug]

Before any of this happens, we have to have a "blow off the doors" season. Assuming we do that, why would someone leave unless they have a first two rounds opportunity in the NFL? Why risk anything, or sit out a year? If the NFL doesn't want you in the first 2 rounds, come back for another "blow off the doors" season, and then you WILL be taken in the first two rounds the next draft. And the money you get from that in the NFL makes NIL money look like chump change. And...not to belabor the point...but doing ANYTHING to jeopardize that would be a real chump move.

Let's focus on that great season this fall, and go from there.

When you combine the NIL and the current NFL CBA, I think it makes more economic sense for many college stars to stay in college until they're a 1st round pick.

As a 2nd rounder, the money drops off quite a bit. You're going to get a 4 year deal worth a total of $6-10M, with no 5th year option, and probably less than 20% of the contract guaranteed. And as a 2nd rounder, you're not going to pad that number with much in the way of endorsements, at least not until you perform on the field. You're probably looking at less than $2M in that first season as a pro...and little guarantee of anything after that.

Going back to school for another year keeps - or improves - endorsement deals at that level, which may be regional instead of national, but for a returning star they probably increase. If that additional year plays you into the first round, then the money goes way up - $12-40M for 4 years, with a 5th year option, and probably close to 50% of the contract guaranteed. And if you're a 1st rounder, you stand a much better chance of getting or keeping some endorsement deals from day 1 - especially if you're at an impact position like QB.

Also...the NFL has changed the way they pay players this year, so pick #33 might get a $10M deal, but it's going to pay maybe $1.8 in his first year. Used to be that they'd get paid during the season (17 weeks) , so that player's first check would be $105K. Now, it's paid over 36 weeks, so the first check will be $50K...before taxes. Nobody's going to be able to run out and buy a hot car or a house with their first check. Mr. 64, at the bottom of the 2nd round, is looking at a check under $40K. In the NIL world, my guess is that those numbers aren't going to be that impressive to the BMOC, especially at the blue blood schools.

Sure, there's also the risk of not gaining any ground in the draft, or losing ground. But I'd argue that the reward outweighs the risk for many.

 

[COUGinNCW]

The greater fear is NIL dollars that will come calling and have him take over at say a Georgia for one year then goes pro.

Doubtful. He has to sit out a year unless he graduates. Switching schools undoubtedly makes graduating early more difficult.

 

[Coug90]

Look how quickly some of these QBs ascend up draft boards. Guys you’ve never heard of have a big season and show all the tools all of a sudden they are a top 10 projection. Not saying it’s likely for Cam, but this stuff is happening every year now.

 

[mikalalas]

Look how quickly some of these QBs ascend up draft boards. Guys you’ve never heard of have a big season and show all the tools all of a sudden they are a top 10 projection. Not saying it’s likely for Cam, but this stuff is happening every year now.

The only thing that would hurt Cam's chances at the NFL or NFL 1st round, is 1. NOT having a 3850+ yards, 36+ TD's, 10 an or under INT's, 8,9,10,11 wins, Alamo Bowl, Rose bowl, Pac 12 champ game, North title, etc.

2. Injury

3. MAYBE being WRONGLY labeled a SYSTEM Air Raid QB(Altho the NFL is warming up to AIR RAID QB's.

Not only did, does Cam have, produced about, almost 5k yards, 50 TD's, 10 INT's, playoffs in the FCS, considered a top 4 QB recruit in all of College football, including Power 5 FBS, etc, but Cam is, also has:

Cam has, or will have a NFL body, NFL Arm(Arm strength, etc), NFL MOBILITY, ATHLETICISM.

It's obvious from spring practice, spring game, etc, that even in P5, FBS, etc, he Cam has good pocket awareness, mobility, quick release, accuracy, arm strength, can make all the throws, high QB, NFL IQ, mobility, athleticism, etc, that based on his 250 yards, 4 TD's, no INT's, in about, ONLY about 15+ minutes, 2,3,4,5 times leading, taking snaps the WHOLE GAME, and being on a clip, would have gotten about 850, yards, 10+ TD's had he played the whole game, and had the same clip level of continued success.

Based on ALL that it's EXTREMELY ULTIMATE LIKELY that either after this year or the next, senior year that he will, would extremely likely go 1st round of draft.

Some extremely credible Former NFL players, coaches, experts, pundits have not only stated he is a 1st round talent, but explained why in depth.

Now sure, they, me, anyone else thinking, projecting, extrapolating this could THEORETICALLY end up wrong.

He, Cam could end up not meeting, reaching his EXTREMELY LIKELY ON PAPER, LOGICAL POTENTIAL.

So that's why Cam, WSU still has to play the games.

There is a reason why other programs offered him 200k, 300k, 400k, etc, NIL DEALS, and why he is consider one of the best about TOP 4 QB recruits in the entire nation, and in all of College football Dom, etc.

To those who don't think this, all these things, don't see Cam as a 1st round prospect, etc, they suffer from Poor Ole Little Ole Ah Shucks WSU syndrome of thinking that WSU would almost never ever get such a QB, and that such a QB would chose Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, Ohio State, etc, over WSU.

If Cam did go to Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, Ohio State the media, fans, players, coaches would probably think he Cam would goto NFL, as that is the BIG BOY football culture there, unlike the Poor Ole Little Ole Ah Shucks WSU football culture.

 

[mikalalas]

The only thing that would hurt Cam's chances at the NFL or NFL 1st round, is 1. NOT having a 3850+ yards, 36+ TD's, 10 an or under INT's, 8,9,10,11 wins, Alamo Bowl, Rose bowl, Pac 12 champ game, North title, etc.

2. Injury

3. MAYBE being WRONGLY labeled a SYSTEM Air Raid QB(Altho the NFL is warming up to AIR RAID QB's.

Not only did, does Cam have, produced about, almost 5k yards, 50 TD's, 10 INT's, playoffs in the FCS, considered a top 4 QB recruit in all of College football, including Power 5 FBS, etc, but Cam is, also has:

Cam has, or will have a NFL body, NFL Arm(Arm strength, etc), NFL MOBILITY, ATHLETICISM.

It's obvious from spring practice, spring game, etc, that even in P5, FBS, etc, he Cam has good pocket awareness, mobility, quick release, accuracy, arm strength, can make all the throws, high QB, NFL IQ, mobility, athleticism, etc, that based on his 250 yards, 4 TD's, no INT's, in about, ONLY about 15+ minutes, 2,3,4,5 times leading, taking snaps the WHOLE GAME, and being on a clip, would have gotten about 850, yards, 10+ TD's had he played the whole game, and had the same clip level of continued success.

Based on ALL that it's EXTREMELY ULTIMATE LIKELY that either after this year or the next, senior year that he will, would extremely likely go 1st round of draft.

Some extremely credible Former NFL players, coaches, experts, pundits have not only stated he is a 1st round talent, but explained why in depth.

Now sure, they, me, anyone else thinking, projecting, extrapolating this could THEORETICALLY end up wrong.

He, Cam could end up not meeting, reaching his EXTREMELY LIKELY ON PAPER, LOGICAL POTENTIAL.

So that's why Cam, WSU still has to play the games.

There is a reason why other programs offered him 200k, 300k, 400k, etc, NIL DEALS, and why he is consider one of the best about TOP 4 QB recruits in the entire nation, and in all of College football Dom, etc.

To those who don't think this, all these things, don't see Cam as a 1st round prospect, etc, they suffer from Poor Ole Little Ole Ah Shucks WSU syndrome of thinking that WSU would almost never ever get such a QB, and that such a QB would chose Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, Ohio State, etc, over WSU.

If Cam did go to Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, Ohio State the media, fans, players, coaches would probably think he Cam would goto NFL, as that is the BIG BOY football culture there, unlike the Poor Ole Little Ole Ah Shucks WSU football culture.

Cam compares to Cunningham, Rodney Peete, Donovan Mc Nabb, Michael Vick, Cam Newton, etc(The best of each(Not the limitations of each), in style, pre NFL talent, etc, ON PAPER POTENTIAL, etc.

 

[mikalalas]

Cam compares to Cunningham, Rodney Peete, Donovan Mc Nabb, Michael Vick, Cam Newton, etc(The best of each(Not the limitations of each), in style, pre NFL talent, etc, ON PAPER POTENTIAL, etc.

And Cam is probably going to end up being as good as Kapernick at the very extreme least.(Talent, NFL QB, football wise,etc)

 

[Coug90]

The only thing that would hurt Cam's chances at the NFL or NFL 1st round, is 1. NOT having a 3850+ yards, 36+ TD's, 10 an or under INT's, 8,9,10,11 wins, Alamo Bowl, Rose bowl, Pac 12 champ game, North title, etc.

2. Injury

3. MAYBE being WRONGLY labeled a SYSTEM Air Raid QB(Altho the NFL is warming up to AIR RAID QB's.

Not only did, does Cam have, produced about, almost 5k yards, 50 TD's, 10 INT's, playoffs in the FCS, considered a top 4 QB recruit in all of College football, including Power 5 FBS, etc, but Cam is, also has:

Cam has, or will have a NFL body, NFL Arm(Arm strength, etc), NFL MOBILITY, ATHLETICISM.

It's obvious from spring practice, spring game, etc, that even in P5, FBS, etc, he Cam has good pocket awareness, mobility, quick release, accuracy, arm strength, can make all the throws, high QB, NFL IQ, mobility, athleticism, etc, that based on his 250 yards, 4 TD's, no INT's, in about, ONLY about 15+ minutes, 2,3,4,5 times leading, taking snaps the WHOLE GAME, and being on a clip, would have gotten about 850, yards, 10+ TD's had he played the whole game, and had the same clip level of continued success.

Based on ALL that it's EXTREMELY ULTIMATE LIKELY that either after this year or the next, senior year that he will, would extremely likely go 1st round of draft.

Some extremely credible Former NFL players, coaches, experts, pundits have not only stated he is a 1st round talent, but explained why in depth.

Now sure, they, me, anyone else thinking, projecting, extrapolating this could THEORETICALLY end up wrong.

He, Cam could end up not meeting, reaching his EXTREMELY LIKELY ON PAPER, LOGICAL POTENTIAL.

So that's why Cam, WSU still has to play the games.

There is a reason why other programs offered him 200k, 300k, 400k, etc, NIL DEALS, and why he is consider one of the best about TOP 4 QB recruits in the entire nation, and in all of College football Dom, etc.

To those who don't think this, all these things, don't see Cam as a 1st round prospect, etc, they suffer from Poor Ole Little Ole Ah Shucks WSU syndrome of thinking that WSU would almost never ever get such a QB, and that such a QB would chose Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, Ohio State, etc, over WSU.

If Cam did go to Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, Ohio State the media, fans, players, coaches would probably think he Cam would goto NFL, as that is the BIG BOY football culture there, unlike the Poor Ole Little Ole Ah Shucks WSU football culture.

I’d say the NFL has long past warmed up to air raid QBs. Mahomes was one. NFL coaches are successful with Air Raid backgrounds. Sure, there’s still dinosaur GMs/owners who want to live in the past, but there’s enough innovative minds in the league that a guy who can play isn’t going to get passed up 32 times because he’s a “system guy”. The NFL cares about one thing and that’s potential. In a lot of ways numbers are beside the point…I don’t think Herbert had the greatest numbers especially for Oregon’s offense and the talent he had around him, but he was deservedly a high pick.

 

[gpcoug]

I’d say the NFL has long past warmed up to air raid QBs. Mahomes was one. NFL coaches are successful with Air Raid backgrounds. Sure, there’s still dinosaur GMs/owners who want to live in the past, but there’s enough innovative minds in the league that a guy who can play isn’t going to get passed up 32 times because he’s a “system guy”. The NFL cares about one thing and that’s potential. In a lot of ways numbers are beside the point…I don’t think Herbert had the greatest numbers especially for Oregon’s offense and the talent he had around him, but he was deservedly a high pick.

To that point Josh Allen played at Wyoming and had pedestrian to below average numbers there. But you can't teach running skill and laser rocket arms.

 

[CougEd]

Cam compares to Cunningham, Rodney Peete, Donovan Mc Nabb, Michael Vick, Cam Newton, etc(The best of each(Not the limitations of each), in style, pre NFL talent, etc, ON PAPER POTENTIAL, etc.

Why doesn't he compare to Elway?

 

[mikalalas]

Why doesn't he compare to Elway?

Ed, Elway, and Jake Plummer etc, altho racked up rushing yards, almost all those yards didn't come from cutback, shiftiness, juke, make defender miss ability, speed, quickness, athleticism, stop, go on a dime, at full speed, etc, all combined together.

Michael Vick, etc, was like a Barry Sanders ESQUE RB, when he was running the ball as a QB.

Elway didn't have that ability. Most of Elway's rushing yards came from him and the system offense spreading the defense out, covering every blade of grass on the football field, pass coverage wise, and then with only about 2,3,4,5, less numbers in box, run it

And Elway had the ability to run, scramble, pass off that at the last possible second, at the line of scrimmage, at the out of bounds line, and at the same time, either run, or find the open WR, and get that WR the ball.

That made Elway a NIGHTMARE to CONTAIN, and why you needed 1,2 SPY's in the box.

But that had nothing to do with Speed, quickness, shiftiness, cutback, Barry Sanders like, style, ability, RB ability, etc.

Also Michael Vick, etc, had way more yardage then Elway, as Elway ran just enough to be between keeping the defense honest, and running more as, like a RB for more yardage, etc.

Just a bad comparison, comparing to Elway. It's like comparing apples to oranges, etc.

 

[mikalalas]

Ed, Elway, and Jake Plummer etc, altho racked up rushing yards, almost all those yards didn't come from cutback, shiftiness, juke, make defender miss ability, speed, quickness, athleticism, stop, go on a dime, at full speed, etc, all combined together.

Michael Vick, etc, was like a Barry Sanders ESQUE RB, when he was running the ball as a QB.

Elway didn't have that ability. Most of Elway's rushing yards came from him and the system offense spreading the defense out, covering every blade of grass on the football field, pass coverage wise, and then with only about 2,3,4,5, less numbers in box, run it

And Elway had the ability to run, scramble, pass off that at the last possible second, at the line of scrimmage, at the out of bounds line, and at the same time, either run, or find the open WR, and get that WR the ball.

That made Elway a NIGHTMARE to CONTAIN, and why you needed 1,2 SPY's in the box.

But that had nothing to do with Speed, quickness, shiftiness, cutback, Barry Sanders like, style, ability, RB ability, etc.

Also Michael Vick, etc, had way more yardage then Elway, as Elway ran just enough to be between keeping the defense honest, and running more as, like a RB for more yardage, etc.

Just a bad comparison, comparing to Elway. It's like comparing apples to oranges, etc.

Also Michael Vick had the ability and actually did have a QB running play go for about 65, 70,75,80,85 yards, and a TD, He was like a Punt Returner, Kick Returner, RB, in the semi open field, as a QB.

Elway was not like that.

 

[CougEd]

Ed, Elway, and Jake Plummer etc, altho racked up rushing yards, almost all those yards didn't come from cutback, shiftiness, juke, make defender miss ability, speed, quickness, athleticism, stop, go on a dime, at full speed, etc, all combined together.

Michael Vick, etc, was like a Barry Sanders ESQUE RB, when he was running the ball as a QB.

Elway didn't have that ability. Most of Elway's rushing yards came from him and the system offense spreading the defense out, covering every blade of grass on the football field, pass coverage wise, and then with only about 2,3,4,5, less numbers in box, run it

And Elway had the ability to run, scramble, pass off that at the last possible second, at the line of scrimmage, at the out of bounds line, and at the same time, either run, or find the open WR, and get that WR the ball.

That made Elway a NIGHTMARE to CONTAIN, and why you needed 1,2 SPY's in the box.

But that had nothing to do with Speed, quickness, shiftiness, cutback, Barry Sanders like, style, ability, RB ability, etc.

Also Michael Vick, etc, had way more yardage then Elway, as Elway ran just enough to be between keeping the defense honest, and running more as, like a RB for more yardage, etc.

Just a bad comparison, comparing to Elway. It's like comparing apples to oranges, etc.

Oh...I didn't realize Elway wasn't as shifty as Donovan McNabb for example. Or Cam Newton. Or Rodney Peete. Are you saying Ward compares to Michael Vick?

Elway was every bit as quick as McNabb, Peete and Newton. He was the second coming of Fran Tarkenton.

And from what I saw Ward is closer in style to Elway than he is Michael Vick.

 

[mikalalas]

Oh...I didn't realize Elway wasn't as shifty as Donovan McNabb for example. Or Cam Newton. Or Rodney Peete. Are you saying Ward compares to Michael Vick?

Elway was every bit as quick as McNabb, Peete and Newton. He was the second coming of Fran Tarkenton.

And from what I saw Ward is closer in style to Elway than he is Michael Vick.

Elway was mobile, ran a lot. He wasn't slow, but he didn't have top end speed, quickness, shiftiness, cutback, etc.

Elway was a COMBINATION of running a lot, mobility, passing ability, and his system, and his ability to pass to open WR, an or run option, at the line of scrimmage, out of bounds line, that allowed him to run effectively.

Donovan McNabb, maybe, borderline, comparable, but if you think Elway, is, was comparable to Randall Cunningham, Rodney Peete, Newton, Vick, etc, ability to run like a Barry Sanders RB/QB, speed, quickness, shiftiness, juking, cutback, etc, then you are WRONG,

Elway wasn't slow, a stick in the mud, unmobile. But Elway wasn't fast, quick, etc.

You don't have to be fast, quick, etc, to be a mobile QB, you just have to be mobile, run a lot, not be slow, not be a statue, not be a stick in the mud etc, like Elway, etc, who wasn't slow, wasn't quick, wasn't a stick in the mud, wasn't a statue, etc, that was mobile, ran a lot, but wasn't fast, quick, etc, either.

Elway was a average, middle of the road runner, that was mobile, ran a lot, and could pass accurately on run, at line of scrimmage, out of bounds line, that was a product, combination of that and the system, which made him a Nightmare to contain.

 

[cr8zyncalif]

425, thank you for the article summary.

As to the perception that UW is not all in on NIL, that seems right. That seems to be the vibe from Montlake. Anyway, shouldn't a young man come to UW strictly because of the "winning tradition"? Or maybe NIL interferes with the coffee cups? Gotta admit, at least the coffee cups are not reported to the IRS!

Ed, Elway, and Jake Plummer etc, altho racked up rushing yards, almost all those yards didn't come from cutback, shiftiness, juke, make defender miss ability, speed, quickness, athleticism, stop, go on a dime, at full speed, etc, all combined together.

Michael Vick, etc, was like a Barry Sanders ESQUE RB, when he was running the ball as a QB.

Elway didn't have that ability. Most of Elway's rushing yards came from him and the system offense spreading the defense out, covering every blade of grass on the football field, pass coverage wise, and then with only about 2,3,4,5, less numbers in box, run it

And Elway had the ability to run, scramble, pass off that at the last possible second, at the line of scrimmage, at the out of bounds line, and at the same time, either run, or find the open WR, and get that WR the ball.

That made Elway a NIGHTMARE to CONTAIN, and why you needed 1,2 SPY's in the box.

But that had nothing to do with Speed, quickness, shiftiness, cutback, Barry Sanders like, style, ability, RB ability, etc.

Also Michael Vick, etc, had way more yardage then Elway, as Elway ran just enough to be between keeping the defense honest, and running more as, like a RB for more yardage, etc.

Just a bad comparison, comparing to Elway. It's like comparing apples to oranges, etc.

Mike, just personally, I'd call Plummer pretty shifty with the ball.

And Ed, please quit yanking Mike's chain....

 

[Observer11]

So i can expect to see Cam pounding drinks at Shooter's this summer?

 

[mikalalas]

Mike, just personally, I'd call Plummer pretty shifty with the ball.

And Ed, please quit yanking Mike's chain....

I define Shifty, as the ability to cut back, juke, make defender miss, an or just get glancing, deflective, partial, piece of blows, etc.

And by that definition, Jake Plummer, either wasn't shifty, an or just barely, borderline, semi shifty.

Jake was crafty, had good vision, could see the holes, follow blocks, was semi quick, semi fast, and that made him a good mobile runner.

He was more shifty then Elway, and McNabb, and less shifty then Vick, Peete, Cunningham, Newton, Cam, etc

 

[Coug90]

I define Shifty, as the ability to cut back, juke, make defender miss, an or just get glancing, deflective, partial, piece of blows, etc.

And by that definition, Jake Plummer, either wasn't shifty, an or just barely, borderline, semi shifty.

Jake was crafty, had good vision, could see the holes, follow blocks, was semi quick, semi fast, and that made him a good mobile runner.

He was more shifty then Elway, and McNabb, and less shifty then Vick, Peete, Cunningham, Newton, Cam, etc

Lol. This keeps getting better. Someone throw a Covid or political barb in here so we can keep this gem going for a while.

 

[Observer11]

Lol. This keeps getting better. Someone throw a Covid or political barb in here so we can keep this gem going for a while.

You rang?

 

[Stretch 74]

Lol. This keeps getting better. Someone throw a Covid or political barb in here so we can keep this gem going for a while.

Elway wasn't even as quick, fast, zippy, shifty as Bledsoe and Deeds!

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

Lol. This keeps getting better. Someone throw a Covid or political barb in here so we can keep this gem going for a while.

Glad to oblige...and throw a zinger at WokeEd.

I traveled via air the other day to Dallas.

I was curious what percentage of people traveling by air were the true believers of mask wearing. Out at SeaTac, it looked like 20-30 percent (doing my counting/sampling). At DFW it looked to be about 10-20 percent. No surprise at the difference there given the scared leftist Seattle political bias. They've been controlling us on this mask issue even as their numbers are a distinct minority. Plus we have cowards as politicians (that's redundant right?).

The loud scared minority often runs our politics. They need to be defied by us on the rational and liberty-loving side every time or these wackos will continue to destroy our freedom.

PS Hi Ed! 😀

 

[spongeandshoot]

Elway wasn't even as quick, fast, zippy, shifty as Bledsoe and Deeds!

We should have ran more read option with Deeds. What was Price thinking?

 

[95coug]

Elway wasn't even as quick, fast, zippy, shifty as Bledsoe and Deeds!

Elway had just over 300 yards rushing in his best season. Averaged somewhere around 4.4 YPC for his career, and just over 3,400 yards total. Once you consider sack yardage, his rushing total is negative. He had 5 seasons with positive rushing yardage, his best was 166 in 1987. That year, he averaged 1.93 YPC. For his career...he lost about a foot every time he kept the ball.

When Vick was starting, he only had 2 seasons with less than 300. He rushed for over 1,000 yards in 2006, 6,100 for his career, and right at 7 YPC. Taking out sack yardage, he still made 736 in 2006, still made almost 1,900 in his career and averaged over 3.5 YPC.

Vick and Elway shouldn't even appear in the same sentence when talking about QB mobility. They're not even in the same galaxy.

 

[etowncoug]

Elway had just over 300 yards rushing in his best season. Averaged somewhere around 4.4 YPC for his career, and just over 3,400 yards total. Once you consider sack yardage, his rushing total is negative. He had 5 seasons with positive rushing yardage, his best was 166 in 1987. That year, he averaged 1.93 YPC. For his career...he lost about a foot every time he kept the ball.

When Vick was starting, he only had 2 seasons with less than 300. He rushed for over 1,000 yards in 2006, 6,100 for his career, and right at 7 YPC. Taking out sack yardage, he still made 736 in 2006, still made almost 1,900 in his career and averaged over 3.5 YPC. Prime John Elway would run for 600+ in the modern NFL with offenses designed for QB runs. Not to the level of Vick but probably up there with Russell Wilson.

Vick and Elway shouldn't even appear in the same sentence when talking about QB mobility. They're not even in the same galaxy.

Very different eras. The QB wasn't supposed to run in Elways prime because the defense would tear his head off

 

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Very different eras. The QB wasn't supposed to run in Elways prime because the defense would tear his head off

How Fran Tarkenton lasted as long as he did is amazing.

 

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How Fran Tarkenton lasted as long as he did is amazing.

"That's Incredible"

 

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Elway had just over 300 yards rushing in his best season. Averaged somewhere around 4.4 YPC for his career, and just over 3,400 yards total. Once you consider sack yardage, his rushing total is negative. He had 5 seasons with positive rushing yardage, his best was 166 in 1987. That year, he averaged 1.93 YPC. For his career...he lost about a foot every time he kept the ball.

When Vick was starting, he only had 2 seasons with less than 300. He rushed for over 1,000 yards in 2006, 6,100 for his career, and right at 7 YPC. Taking out sack yardage, he still made 736 in 2006, still made almost 1,900 in his career and averaged over 3.5 YPC.

Vick and Elway shouldn't even appear in the same sentence when talking about QB mobility. They're not even in the same galaxy.

Thank you for helping me, making my point to Ed better then me.

Tho your right, where Elway excelled was that he would run, scramble to either line of scrimmage an or out of bounds line, and then would either option run for 3 to 13+ yards, or pull up at the last possible second before crossing the line of scrimmage, or before crossing out of bounds line, an on the run, pass, complete a pass to a semi open WR, anywhere on the field, about 5 to 50 yards downfield, which made him a NIGHTMARE to stop, CONTAIN, BOTH passing wise, and running, scrambling wise.

But your right Elway, as far as Mobility, running ability, shiftiness, etc, is not comparable, does not belong in the same universe as Randall Cunningham, Rodney Peete, Michael Vick, Cam Newton, Russell Wilson, etc.