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WSU at New Mexico game thread....

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Even just today (hesitate to use the jets to further the point) the colts were driving for the go-ahead score with less than a minute and a half to go. Colts were inside the 10 and just completed a pass to the 6 and the jets used their last timeout.

If they hadn't the game would've ended with the colts td. As it happened (ultimately futile) the jets had 46 seconds to gain 30 yds for a winning fg attempt. The absolute right call for them was to use their TO (while still having the lead) to give them ANY chance at victory.

Yup, COUGS effed that up yesterday. That's all I have to say about that.
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Bowl Prospects

BleedCrimsonandGray
Flatlandcoug said:
The 2024 Pac-12 bowl selection process requires that a bowl must pick a team within one win of the team with the most wins eligible at the time of the selection. Here are the 2024 Pac-12 bowl tie-ins.

1) CFP
2) Alamo
3) Las Vegas
4) Holiday
5) Sun
6) LA
7) Independence

Here is the current order of the former Pac-12 and I put the projected final record based on ESPN's matchup predictor in parentheses.

1) Oregon: 11-0 (12-0)
2) CU: 8-2 (10-2)
3) ASU: 8-2 (10-2)
4) WSU: 8-2 (10-2)
5) UW: 6-5 (6-6)
6) USC: 5-5 (6-6)
7) Cal: 5-5 (6-6)
8) UCLA: 4-6 (5-7)
9) Arizona: 4-6 (4-8)
10) Utah: 4-6 (4-8)
11) OSU: 4-6 (4-8)
12) Stanford: 3-7 (3-9)

If that is how it plays out, it means that WSU will go to either the Alamo, Las Vegas or Holiday Bowls. That would also mean that there would be a three way tie for 2nd place in the Big 12 with ASU knocking off BYU. ASU, BYU and Iowa State would be tied and CU would be the regular season champ. BYU would be out by virtue of the head to head loss to the Sun Devils. Looking through the other tie breakers....ASU played the stronger schedule and would likely sneak in above Iowa State.

What that means is that there is a high probability of either CU or ASU making the CFP along with Oregon (which would be kind of hilarious). If that ends up being the case, WSU would be in either the Alamo Bowl or the Las Vegas Bowl. If Colorado loses in the Big 12 championship game, there is 0% chance that the Alamo Bowl passes up the Buffaloes and takes WSU. If ASU loses, it's a toss-up but one would guess that they would take the Sun Devils since they would be the higher ranked team. That means Las Vegas if ASU and CU face off in the Big 12 Championship. If Iowa State gets into the Big 12 championship and wins, I'm guessing that CU goes to the Alamo and Vegas takes ASU with the same record as us. That means Holiday Bowl for the Cougs.

If Colorado loses to KU next week, it gets weirder. Near as I can tell, that might keep CU out of the Big 12 championship game. Again, I think the Alamo Bowl takes CU given the chance. If ASU wins the Big 12 championship, we go to Vegas. If ASU loses, we probably end up in the Holiday Bowl.

With our loss last night, the scenario that might get us into the Alamo Bowl would involve CU making the CFP and ASU losing badly to BYU and failing to reach the Big 12 championship. If that happens, we would have a better record and might have a higher ranking. I don't think ASU is known for it's fan support so we'd have a shot.

This is definitely a TL;DR kind of post so my apologies for that.
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Thanks for doing the math, it's exactly why I asked.
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Loyal Coug1
Flatlandcoug said:
The 2024 Pac-12 bowl selection process requires that a bowl must pick a team within one win of the team with the most wins eligible at the time of the selection. Here are the 2024 Pac-12 bowl tie-ins.

1) CFP
2) Alamo
3) Las Vegas
4) Holiday
5) Sun
6) LA
7) Independence

Here is the current order of the former Pac-12 and I put the projected final record based on ESPN's matchup predictor in parentheses.

1) Oregon: 11-0 (12-0)
2) CU: 8-2 (10-2)
3) ASU: 8-2 (10-2)
4) WSU: 8-2 (10-2)
5) UW: 6-5 (6-6)
6) USC: 5-5 (6-6)
7) Cal: 5-5 (6-6)
8) UCLA: 4-6 (5-7)
9) Arizona: 4-6 (4-8)
10) Utah: 4-6 (4-8)
11) OSU: 4-6 (4-8)
12) Stanford: 3-7 (3-9)

If that is how it plays out, it means that WSU will go to either the Alamo, Las Vegas or Holiday Bowls. That would also mean that there would be a three way tie for 2nd place in the Big 12 with ASU knocking off BYU. ASU, BYU and Iowa State would be tied and CU would be the regular season champ. BYU would be out by virtue of the head to head loss to the Sun Devils. Looking through the other tie breakers....ASU played the stronger schedule and would likely sneak in above Iowa State.

What that means is that there is a high probability of either CU or ASU making the CFP along with Oregon (which would be kind of hilarious). If that ends up being the case, WSU would be in either the Alamo Bowl or the Las Vegas Bowl. If Colorado loses in the Big 12 championship game, there is 0% chance that the Alamo Bowl passes up the Buffaloes and takes WSU. If ASU loses, it's a toss-up but one would guess that they would take the Sun Devils since they would be the higher ranked team. That means Las Vegas if ASU and CU face off in the Big 12 Championship. If Iowa State gets into the Big 12 championship and wins, I'm guessing that CU goes to the Alamo and Vegas takes ASU with the same record as us. That means Holiday Bowl for the Cougs.

If Colorado loses to KU next week, it gets weirder. Near as I can tell, that might keep CU out of the Big 12 championship game. Again, I think the Alamo Bowl takes CU given the chance. If ASU wins the Big 12 championship, we go to Vegas. If ASU loses, we probably end up in the Holiday Bowl.

With our loss last night, the scenario that might get us into the Alamo Bowl would involve CU making the CFP and ASU losing badly to BYU and failing to reach the Big 12 championship. If that happens, we would have a better record and might have a higher ranking. I don't think ASU is known for it's fan support so we'd have a shot.

This is definitely a TL;DR kind of post so my apologies for that.
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Nice analysis Flat - nothing to add here....... :)
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WSU at New Mexico game thread....

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Coug90 said:
I was surprised they didn’t take the runoff too. Time was a problem for us not them. When that's the case you have to burn your timeouts on D assuming they are going to score. You can control the clock on offense, you can’t on defense. It was piss poor clock management.
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I was surprised as well that they declined the 10 second runoff, no reason for them to need more time.

There are times to take your timeouts early on defense and there are times to not do that. I have seen it done both ways many, many times, college as well as pros. Each method is not infallible, but each method DOES work. You need to understand the situation in the game and evaluate the most likely scenario that will play out.

Last night, the way the game was going, the most likely scenario was that NM was likely to score and take the lead. Sad to say that is exactly what I expected to happen, but it was true. NM had been gashing us for the entire second half, and had scored 4 times and only punted once, and had not turned the ball over one time. Were the odds good that we would stop them or were the odds that they would score and we would need to score to win the game? Obviously the odds were that they would score, thus forcing us to score to win. With that being the case, the rational approach is to use at least 2 of your 3 time outs to preserve clock.

Here is the thing-do the TO's do you any good at all if you need to score? Nope. Are they a great liability if they have a turnover or do not score? No, they are not. Realizing that WSU was playing with the Palouse Pussies in the second half and not the Palouse Posse, saving time for your offense to win the game for you was imperative! And maybe having a couple TO breaks would have given the D a chance to catch their breath enough to make a defensive stop?

Sorry 95, but your reasoning is defective in this case. And yes, I was futilely yelling at my TV for them to use the time outs while NM was driving closer.
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Flatlandcoug
BleedCrimsonandGray said:
Anyone care to speculate bowl prospects should the team win out? Alamo, with its decent sized payout, is all but out the windows now.

That being said, I put the prospects of winning out at 50/50.
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The 2024 Pac-12 bowl selection process requires that a bowl must pick a team within one win of the team with the most wins eligible at the time of the selection. Here are the 2024 Pac-12 bowl tie-ins.

1) CFP
2) Alamo
3) Las Vegas
4) Holiday
5) Sun
6) LA
7) Independence

Here is the current order of the former Pac-12 and I put the projected final record based on ESPN's matchup predictor in parentheses.

1) Oregon: 11-0 (12-0)
2) CU: 8-2 (10-2)
3) ASU: 8-2 (10-2)
4) WSU: 8-2 (10-2)
5) UW: 6-5 (6-6)
6) USC: 5-5 (6-6)
7) Cal: 5-5 (6-6)
8) UCLA: 4-6 (5-7)
9) Arizona: 4-6 (4-8)
10) Utah: 4-6 (4-8)
11) OSU: 4-6 (4-8)
12) Stanford: 3-7 (3-9)

If that is how it plays out, it means that WSU will go to either the Alamo, Las Vegas or Holiday Bowls. That would also mean that there would be a three way tie for 2nd place in the Big 12 with ASU knocking off BYU. ASU, BYU and Iowa State would be tied and CU would be the regular season champ. BYU would be out by virtue of the head to head loss to the Sun Devils. Looking through the other tie breakers....ASU played the stronger schedule and would likely sneak in above Iowa State.

What that means is that there is a high probability of either CU or ASU making the CFP along with Oregon (which would be kind of hilarious). If that ends up being the case, WSU would be in either the Alamo Bowl or the Las Vegas Bowl. If Colorado loses in the Big 12 championship game, there is 0% chance that the Alamo Bowl passes up the Buffaloes and takes WSU. If ASU loses, it's a toss-up but one would guess that they would take the Sun Devils since they would be the higher ranked team. That means Las Vegas if ASU and CU face off in the Big 12 Championship. If Iowa State gets into the Big 12 championship and wins, I'm guessing that CU goes to the Alamo and Vegas takes ASU with the same record as us. That means Holiday Bowl for the Cougs.

If Colorado loses to KU next week, it gets weirder. Near as I can tell, that might keep CU out of the Big 12 championship game. Again, I think the Alamo Bowl takes CU given the chance. If ASU wins the Big 12 championship, we go to Vegas. If ASU loses, we probably end up in the Holiday Bowl.

With our loss last night, the scenario that might get us into the Alamo Bowl would involve CU making the CFP and ASU losing badly to BYU and failing to reach the Big 12 championship. If that happens, we would have a better record and might have a higher ranking. I don't think ASU is known for it's fan support so we'd have a shot.

This is definitely a TL;DR kind of post so my apologies for that.
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Mateer postgame

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Coug90 said:
I wouldn’t say Mateer was the problem but when you have a two score lead and a shaky defense you absolutely cannot come out and do jack shit on your first four possessions of the second half. Now I put 99% of that on Arbuckle but I’m sure that’s what Mateer is speaking to.
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Mateer was 15/17 in the first half, very sharp. Second half seemed to go to a lot of sidearm throws and several of them were floating high. Very bad accuracy, including one where he was rolling out left and instead of just firing as he ran, he actually jump up as he threw it. Of course it was off target.
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Can we shut the f#ck up about how great this team is?

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ATACFD said:
Yep. Bronco adjusted. Our coaching staff didnt. It’s a fluid chess game and if your opponent starts giving you different looks you have to adjust to it. We have been outcoached in at least 4 games. We’ve just been lucky that our kids don’t give up. We ran out of luck yesterday. But this wasn’t just one bad game. It finally ended up in the L column but they’ve been coaching like crap a lot this year.
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Giving up 360 yards rushing should say it all, but there really is one category that stands out more than the rest to me, and that is negative plays.

New Mexico defense had 0 turnovers, 1 sack, and 6 tackles for loss.

WSU defense has 0 turnovers, 0 sacks, and 0 tackles for loss.

WTF? New Mexico had 25 passing plays and 49 running plays, and we could not tackle them behind the line even one frigging time. That is simply pathetic!
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WSU at New Mexico game thread....

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Jiff76 said:
I thought about the Cougs taking timeouts too. If they had, and used all three, NM would burn the clock in the huddle. The way our defense was playing, yeah, maybe let them score.😒
NM should have taken the 10 second runoff. 14 seconds is plenty time at 3rd and goal and a timeout left.
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I was surprised they didn’t take the runoff too. Time was a problem for us not them. When that's the case you have to burn your timeouts on D assuming they are going to score. You can control the clock on offense, you can’t on defense. It was piss poor clock management.
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Mateer postgame

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Loyal Coug1 said:
Buddy, you were absolutely not the problem here. 375 yards and 4 TDs, 65 rushing and a TD. Interesting comment from Dickert that Mateer didn't practice all week (foot).

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John Mateer shoulders blame for offensive execution in WSU's 38-35 loss to New Mexico

'First half was good, but the second half we didn't get it done'
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As said elsewhere, our defense was horrible all game. Also agree that this defense bears no resemblance to the one that beat the mutts. Thornton appeared to be burned on anything that came his way. Score some Peyote down there before the game?

On a positive note, the sweet nectar commonly known as Coors Light doesn't give me a hangover (thankfully :)). And the sun came up today.
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I wouldn’t say Mateer was the problem but when you have a two score lead and a shaky defense you absolutely cannot come out and do jack shit on your first four possessions of the second half. Now I put 99% of that on Arbuckle but I’m sure that’s what Mateer is speaking to.
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Bowl Prospects

M-I-Coug
Loyal Coug1 said:
Resurgence of ASU (WTF is with that?) and Colorado lurking don't help. One of them will probably steal the Alamo. IMHO Holiday or Las Vegas. BTW I see that attendance was 14,000 and change last night. Wow. Big Sky numbers.

Edit - hanging in there at #25 in the AP poll. #26 in Coaches.
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I've watched at lot of videos on Bronco, and he'll turn around New Mexico. Once that happens, I'm sure the fans will come out.
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Bowl Prospects

Loyal Coug1
BleedCrimsonandGray said:
Anyone care to speculate bowl prospects should the team win out? Alamo, with its decent sized payout, is all but out the windows now.

That being said, I put the prospects of winning out at 50/50.
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Resurgence of ASU (WTF is with that?) and Colorado lurking don't help. One of them will probably steal the Alamo. IMHO Holiday or Las Vegas. BTW I see that attendance was 14,000 and change last night. Wow. Big Sky numbers.

Edit - hanging in there at #25 in the AP poll. #26 in Coaches.
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Bowl Prospects

M-I-Coug
BleedCrimsonandGray said:
really? the team that loves to play down to the competition? Our O bending the knee to a middling NM defense in the second half?

All expectations of are out the window for me at this point.
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We are athletically much more talented than Oregon State and we are athethetically much more superior than Wyoming.

Have some faith. We'll bounce back, however, our defense is bad, if not awful, at stopping the run.
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Mateer postgame

Loyal Coug1
Buddy, you were absolutely not the problem here. 375 yards and 4 TDs, 65 rushing and a TD. Interesting comment from Dickert that Mateer didn't practice all week (foot).

247sports.com

John Mateer shoulders blame for offensive execution in WSU's 38-35 loss to New Mexico

'First half was good, but the second half we didn't get it done'
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As said elsewhere, our defense was horrible all game. Also agree that this defense bears no resemblance to the one that beat the mutts. Thornton appeared to be burned on anything that came his way. Score some Peyote down there before the game?

On a positive note, the sweet nectar commonly known as Coors Light doesn't give me a hangover (thankfully :)). And the sun came up today.
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WSU at New Mexico game thread....

Jiff76
Coug90 said:
Jfc dude go look at the posts. I was calling for them to use timeouts when there was like a minute left. There’s nothing hindsight about it. You could tell they were going to score, it was a matter of how much time we’d have to go the other way. I literally said (jokingly) so we just let em score so we can have 2 minutes and 3 timeouts left…obviously that’s extreme but then they got two big chunks and were on our 12 yard line. At that point you have to start thinking about conserving time because it’ wasn’t an issue for them. I can’t explain this to you any more simply. You are wrong. They proved it. Just stop.
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I thought about the Cougs taking timeouts too. If they had, and used all three, NM would burn the clock in the huddle. The way our defense was playing, yeah, maybe let them score.😒
NM should have taken the 10 second runoff. 14 seconds is plenty time at 3rd and goal and a timeout left.
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