mikalalas said:

Not saying that Sac St, Stephen Austin are possibilities. I was making the point that if PAC had SHET Stephen Austin, that then the PAC wouldn't be worth 16 to22 mil per team per year.

Both you, and 95 regularly misread things.

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Loyal Coug1 said:

Just because you keeeeep onnn repeating your $16-22M media rights number doesn't make it anything other than a figment of your imagination. And yes your fixation with Memphis and Tulane, neither of which has uttered one word about coming out West, is pure fantasy.

And why do you throw Sacramento State and Stephen F. Austin into the discussion? They are middling FCS schools.

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mikalalas said:

I did NOT say EVERY, ANY OLE rebuilt PAC would get 16 to 22 mil percteam per year.

The ONLY way the PAC 8 gets that kind of money is to SPECIFICALLY get BSU, SDSU, Fresno, UNLV, Memphis, Tulane. Could replace 1 of those with Airforce, UTSA, and still get that kind of money.

If Rebuilt PAC 8 was Utah St, CSU, Wyoming, North Texas, Stephen F Austin, Sacramento St, that kind of Rebuilt PAC 8 would NOT get 16 to 22 mil.

What the PAC 12 got offered before the 10 left? It was NOT 23 ORIGINALLY. It was 30 mil per team per year from ESPN. The PAC leadership said NO to that, AND THEN because of that screw up, blunder, PAC 12 got a last ditch 23 mil per team per year offer from Apple, not because they weren't worth 30, but because Apple could offer them only 15 if wanted because Apple knew that if PAC 12 didn't take whatever crumbs offered PAC 12 was SCREWED.

So the real what the PAC number is worth with the 10 that left is 30 mil per team per year, not 23. And it's even higher because PAC could have gotten 34,35,36,37 mil per team, per year if made a reasonable counter off to ESPN instead of demanding at least 50+ mil per team per year.

Based on that, and the credible sources that said, reported 16 to 22 mil for the kind of PAC rebuild I talked about, 16 to 22 mil is quite logical, reasonable for the specific PAC rebuild I mentioned, as 16 mil is about half of the 30 that PAC offered by ESPN, and 22 is about 3/5 of the 37 PAC 12 probably would have gotten if reasonable counter offer made to ESPN.

Also BSU, Fresno St, SDSU, UNLV, Memphis, Tulane, WSU, as PAC 8 is competition wise almost as good as Arizona, ASU, Colorado, Stanford, CAL, Utah, UW, Oregon, WSU, OSU, and TV, value, etc, wise about 1/2 the value, etc, as the PAC 12, so BSU, SDSU, Fresno, UNLV, Memphis, Tulane, WSU, OSU getting 16 to 22 mil team per year is pretty reasonable, logical, does make sense, is what has been reported etc.

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Coug90 said:

I don’t think it’s as much about being upset he left as it is honest assessment of him as a QB. We had a lot of issues last year, starting with the OLine but Cam reverting to the old Cam as soon as he was under fire compounded everything. He has pro talent but he showed he wasn’t ready to go pro last year.

In the NFL you have to be able to handle pockets that aren’t clean, navigate the pocket, keep your eyes downfield, and take care of the ball. Cam had plenty of unclean pockets last year but after UCLA he started spinning around doing his Houdini shit which led to fumbles and unnecessary sacks. That will get a GM fired in the NFL. I’m hoping with a better line and running game he can stay the course this year and be an NFL guy. Certainly a good start, Florida has elite athletes and the swamp is not an easy place to play even when the Gators are down.

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Coug90 said:

Was talking about the Big12 my man…even said it in my post. Yormark isnt an Algerian boxer that I’m aware of.

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Loyal Coug1 said:

That would be difficult since the MWC Commissioner is a woman. Aside from that, sentiment shared.

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95coug said:

Do these credible sources exist outside of your head? Because I haven't seen anyone report anything like "7,8, 7.5 mil to 10,11 mil per year" or "4 to 6 to 8 to 10 mil" from CFP. Honestly, ranges like that just scream "not credible."

Also haven't seen anyone (except you) say that a rebuilt Pac-X would get 16-22M. Seems unlikely, since we were only going to get 23 when we still had 7 of the 10 traitors. The numbers I've seen estimated a high end of 16, with some variability based on who was included.

Also haven't seen anyone (except you) mention adding Memphis and Tulane to the Pac. I really don't understand what your fixation with them is. You don't need to explain though, I don't care enough to read another nonsensical rant. By the way, just in case you haven't noticed, your caps lock key has been stuck for about a decade.

Right now, I don't see a ton of motivation for most of the MWC. They have a path to the playoff without WSU and OSU. The networks have shown that they don't see us having a ton of value, so it's not clear that we bring much to the table financially (except the short-term pile of cash we're sitting on). Their biggest incentive might be that maybe if us and OSU join, we back a plan for equal revenue sharing and BSU loses their bigger piece of the pie. But, I suspect we'd go the other way and say we should get a bigger piece too. 11 MWC members have had to put up with Boise State looking down on the rest of the conference and demanding more money for years, why do they want two more schools who think they're better than everyone else?

Reality sucks for WSU, because the fact is that we need a conference - any conference - more than any of them need us.

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CougPatrol said:

I hear what you're saying, but I hate the marketing excuse as it relates to attendance. Coug fans know when the games are happening. They fill up the WSU bars for watch parties. TV ratings clearly show that we're watching the games on television.

Our fans just choose not to attend. Hotels are pricey and the roundtrip drive isn't short, even if you're in Tri-Cities. That's the bottom line.

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95coug said:

Well, I'd say that a part of the lack of attendance from Tri-Cities is the fact that there is zero marketing effort there. It's never been great, but for the last few years the only WSU athletics presence in Tri-Cities has been the night with Coug athletics in the spring. No billboards, no radio, no TV, no social media that I've seen. Hell, there's a WSU campus in Richland and they don't even have copies of the schedule. I don't know that the effort in Spokane is much better.

We've discussed here many times before how piss poor WSU Athletic marketing is, so I don't think that needs to be done again. But...they ain't getting better.

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ttowncoug said:

I read our game vs. Portland State wasn't on in the SE (Florida). Overall, the numbers seem respectable in comparison to the comps. I think as the season goes, the "late window games" (namely if we are ranked) will get good TV draws.

Outside of ABC, quiet opening weekend of college football

Outside of SEC-fueled ABC, week one of the college football season was a relatively quiet affair in the ratings.

www.sportsmediawatch.com

"In the debut of “Pac-2” football on CW, Idaho State-Oregon State averaged 381,000, preceded by Portland State-Washington State at 223,000."

In terms of other "comps"....
"Over on FS1, North Dakota-Iowa State drew 315,000, Wyoming-Arizona State 253,000, UNLV-Houston 172,000 and UConn-Maryland 133,000."

"Over on BTN, regional action topped the Saturday slate with 594,000 viewers, followed by 425,000 for Idaho-Oregon and 306,000 for Weber State-Washington. FS1 drew 253,000 for Wyoming-Arizona State."

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roses04 said:

Cam had a great game, one pick that look familiar, running around trying to make something happen, threw across his body across the field for an Int. No fumbles so that was a plus. Cam can look like a pro prospect when he doesn't try to create too much, he had time to throw, so he looked damn good. Keep in mind he looked great to start the year last year, then the UCLA defense did him in. I hope Cam has a great year and does well, nothing against him, worked hard and didn't cause any trouble and was a quiet leader, hopefully he gets drafted. People can be upset that he left, but get used to it folks, it's the new normal. Players used to leave early for the NFL, Leaf, Bledsoe, and others, now they just make more money by going to a blue blood program. Speaking of UCLA, interesting that UCLA's DC is now at USC, did a great job against LSU, with many of the same players Grinch had, coaching does make a difference.

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Cougini5591 said:

The lack of coordination with the Tri-Cities is a joke. Somehow, WSU in its entirety doesn't do enough to make ANY of the Tri-Cities better/bigger in Pullman.

Maybe it's a jealously by our mini-me portion of the school down here, maybe it's just the moronic Tri-Cities trying to be 3 separate cities instead of one population, maybe it's the purple oozing infection of fuw that seems to be swelling in our state...

The Tri-Cities should be insanely LOUD about WSU and WSU should be marching/advertising just as hard there as we/they are in Spokane.

But I digress.

Why do something right?

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Coug90 said:

I’m not sure “need” is the optimal word. As for the conferences, does it make sense to add a market that’s better than half the schools produce currently in your conference? That’s the business question for the B12 because that’s what WSU would bring, at least for football. So yeah, WSU ups the value of that conference with inclusion, the numbers bear that out. Why our administration wasn’t able to sit down over a whiskey with their commish and sell that relatively easily to him is a F’n mystery to me and the massive failure in all of this.

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Cougini5591 said:

The lack of coordination with the Tri-Cities is a joke. Somehow, WSU in its entirety doesn't do enough to make ANY of the Tri-Cities better/bigger in Pullman.

Maybe it's a jealously by our mini-me portion of the school down here, maybe it's just the moronic Tri-Cities trying to be 3 separate cities instead of one population, maybe it's the purple oozing infection of fuw that seems to be swelling in our state...

The Tri-Cities should be insanely LOUD about WSU and WSU should be marching/advertising just as hard there as we/they are in Spokane.

But I digress.

Why do something right?

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95coug said:

Well, I'd say that a part of the lack of attendance from Tri-Cities is the fact that there is zero marketing effort there. It's never been great, but for the last few years the only WSU athletics presence in Tri-Cities has been the night with Coug athletics in the spring. No billboards, no radio, no TV, no social media that I've seen. Hell, there's a WSU campus in Richland and they don't even have copies of the schedule. I don't know that the effort in Spokane is much better.

We've discussed here many times before how piss poor WSU Athletic marketing is, so I don't think that needs to be done again. But...they ain't getting better.

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95coug said:

Do these credible sources exist outside of your head? Because I haven't seen anyone report anything like "7,8, 7.5 mil to 10,11 mil per year" or "4 to 6 to 8 to 10 mil" from CFP. Honestly, ranges like that just scream "not credible."

Also haven't seen anyone (except you) say that a rebuilt Pac-X would get 16-22M. Seems unlikely, since we were only going to get 23 when we still had 7 of the 10 traitors. The numbers I've seen estimated a high end of 16, with some variability based on who was included.

Also haven't seen anyone (except you) mention adding Memphis and Tulane to the Pac. I really don't understand what your fixation with them is. You don't need to explain though, I don't care enough to read another nonsensical rant. By the way, just in case you haven't noticed, your caps lock key has been stuck for about a decade.

Right now, I don't see a ton of motivation for most of the MWC. They have a path to the playoff without WSU and OSU. The networks have shown that they don't see us having a ton of value, so it's not clear that we bring much to the table financially (except the short-term pile of cash we're sitting on). Their biggest incentive might be that maybe if us and OSU join, we back a plan for equal revenue sharing and BSU loses their bigger piece of the pie. But, I suspect we'd go the other way and say we should get a bigger piece too. 11 MWC members have had to put up with Boise State looking down on the rest of the conference and demanding more money for years, why do they want two more schools who think they're better than everyone else?

Reality sucks for WSU, because the fact is that we need a conference - any conference - more than any of them need us.

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mikalalas said:

Because MWC is 5 mil per team per year now. And the projected new media deal numbers has been reported by credible sources at 7,8, 7.5 mil to 10,11 mil per year.

THE MWC IS NOT GOING TO GET BETTER THEN THAT, 12.5 MIL PER TEAM PER YEAR AT EXTREME BEST FOR MWC NEW MEDIA DEAL

IF BSU, SDSU, FRESNO, UNLV, Memphis, Tulane join PAC 8, they will get 16 mil to 22 mil per team per year. THE MWC WILL NOT GET ANYTHING CLOSE TO THAT.

Also those teams would get about 4 to 6 to 8 to 10 mil per year from CFP, THATS BETTER THEN WHAT THE MWC GETS AT 1.8 MIL PER YEAR FROM MWC, WHICH NOWHERE NEAR WHAT THAT SPECIFIC PAC 8 WOULD GET.

Also a 12-0, 11-1 AAC, MAAC champ could get to CFP over a 12-0, 11-1, MWC champ.

IN THE PAC THAT WOULD NOT HAPPEN AS LONG AS THAT SPECIFIC PAC 8 CHAMP WENT AT LEAST 9-3, 10-2. THATS SOMETHING MWC DOES NOT HAVE.

ALSO THAT SPECIFIC PAC 8 WOULD NOT HAVE TO GOTO IDAHO POTATOE HEAD BOWL, AND LA BOWL, AND WOULD GET BETTER BOWLS LIKE THE ALAMO BOWL, HOLIDAY BOWL, VEGAS BOWL, WHICH BETTER, MORE MONEY THEN IDAHO BOWL, LA BOWL.

IF BSU, FRESNO, SDSU, UNLV DO NOT JOIN PAC 8, THEY GET WAY LESS MONEY, LESS CFP ACCESS, WORSE BOWLS, AND WOULD BE FCKING, SCREWING THEMSELVES OVER.

THATS WHY BSU, FRESNO, SDSU, UNLV, OR TOP 9 MWC, SHOULD JOIN PAC.

AS long as the MWC are SMART ENOUGH TO ALL THOSE TARGETS TO JOIN PAC 8, THEN ITS NOT RISKY OF THEM TO DO THAT, JOIN PAC 8.

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BleedCrimsonandGray said:

The only people who care are the actual die hard fans (not the facebook group) who care about the program as a whole. Certainly the athletic department doesn't care and never has. I won't go through it again, but compared to other rural schools who draw on metropolitan bases within 3 hours (TC and Spokane), WSU's attendance is the worst, by far. It will continue to get worse because the students have less and less connection with the school and/ or athletics, giving them no reason to return or support financially.

Don't forget the crippling debt they'll be left with, so squeezing $50/ mo out of them will be a struggle as well... but I digress.

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