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You can't help what becomes ingrained to your soul when you're an angsty teen. Metallica spoke to 15 year old me like no other band had previously.

As an adult, their music leaves a lot to be desired: Lars is very mediocre as a drummer, James has about 2 octaves of range, and they aren't particularly melodic. That being said, knowing their roots and influences they are the perfect mesh of Bay area/ SoCal punk and british thrash metal, and of course the nostalgia. I have a lot of memories where Metallica is the soundtrack.
So this IS the 8th grade!

(Jk)

Apple Cup ticket sales dismal

Always felt their vocals betrayed their musicality chops.
You can't help what becomes ingrained to your soul when you're an angsty teen. Metallica spoke to 15 year old me like no other band had previously.

As an adult, their music leaves a lot to be desired: Lars is very mediocre as a drummer, James has about 2 octaves of range, and they aren't particularly melodic. That being said, knowing their roots and influences they are the perfect mesh of Bay area/ SoCal punk and british thrash metal, and of course the nostalgia. I have a lot of memories where Metallica is the soundtrack.

Apple Cup ticket sales dismal

I was just there for Metallica.

Michelob Ultra tallboys were $16.50/ ea. And they were not cold.

Also, don't judge me. It was hot, I was thirsty, and that was the shortest line and all they had was garbage in a can, though I'm sure Loyal would have approved of the selection.
The judgement doesn't come from what you listed. It's from paying good money to see Metallica!

That's all I have to say about that!

Apple Cup ticket sales dismal

Personally, I go for the $12 beers!

I wouldn’t be so sure we will get our teeth kicked in. UW is a MWC quality team this year.

The tix are too GD expensive. The game was supposed to be in Pullman this year, so take it to the needle district and make us pay twice as much? Yeah GFY.
I was just there for Metallica.

Michelob Ultra tallboys were $16.50/ ea. And they were not cold.

Also, don't judge me. It was hot, I was thirsty, and that was the shortest line and all they had was garbage in a can, though I'm sure Loyal would have approved of the selection.

Apple Cup ticket sales dismal

I'll never pay to watch the Cougs play in Seattle again, unless its a post-season situation.

Its a losing proposition for the team in so many ways. I still am baffled as to why this game had to be held at Lumen anyway.

*** So, I went to ticketmaster. Any ticket in the lower bowl is over $200 and it goes up from there. 300 lvl is $100 and up. What exactly would the average WSU fan find value in? The venue? The privilege of playing a P4 school? Watching the team get their teeth kicked in?
"We gotta continue to let UW bend us over backwards to keep the relationship positive!" -- WSU admin, probably.
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Scott Barnes told Nik Daschel that PAC 2 are in serious talks, negotiations with ACC for 2025 schedule,

Scott Barnes also told Nik Daschel in sit down interview, that PAC 2 is looking to rebuild the PAC to PAC 8 with BEST possible colleges, and best possible G5's from best G5 conferences, sources(like BSU, Fresno St, SDSU, UNLV, Memphis, Tulane, etc(He isn't, can't, shouldn't say something like "We are going to Poach BSU, SDSU, Fresno St, UNLV, Memphis, Tulane". But he pretty much said that, or hinted at that by saying BEST POSSIBLE COLLEGES, AND G5'S POSSIBLE, FROM BEST G5 CONFERENCES, SOURCES, as the best colleges, G5's from the best G5 conferences, sources, Would be BSU, Fresno, SDSU, UNLV, Memphis, Tulane, UTSA, Airforce, Utah St, CSU, North Texas, Liberty(MAAC(12-0), NDSU(Regularly been the FCS national champion last 50 years, BEST FCS team, should not be FCS, should be a G5 in FBS, upsets teams like Michigan types, Like a Apalachian St).

Apple Cup ticket sales dismal

I'll never pay to watch the Cougs play in Seattle again, unless its a post-season situation.

Its a losing proposition for the team in so many ways. I still am baffled as to why this game had to be held at Lumen anyway.

*** So, I went to ticketmaster. Any ticket in the lower bowl is over $200 and it goes up from there. 300 lvl is $100 and up. What exactly would the average WSU fan find value in? The venue? The privilege of playing a P4 school? Watching the team get their teeth kicked in?
Personally, I go for the $12 beers!

I wouldn’t be so sure we will get our teeth kicked in. UW is a MWC quality team this year.

The tix are too GD expensive. The game was supposed to be in Pullman this year, so take it to the needle district and make us pay twice as much? Yeah GFY.

Apple Cup ticket sales dismal

I'll never pay to watch the Cougs play in Seattle again, unless its a post-season situation.

Its a losing proposition for the team in so many ways. I still am baffled as to why this game had to be held at Lumen anyway.

*** So, I went to ticketmaster. Any ticket in the lower bowl is over $200 and it goes up from there. 300 lvl is $100 and up. What exactly would the average WSU fan find value in? The venue? The privilege of playing a P4 school? Watching the team get their teeth kicked in?
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Pac-12, Mountain West ‘too far apart’ as negotiations over 2025 scheduling partnership break down

Not saying that Sac St, Stephen Austin are possibilities. I was making the point that if PAC had SHET Stephen Austin, that then the PAC wouldn't be worth 16 to22 mil per team per year.

Both you, and 95 regularly misread things.
We read just fine. You just pick random names out of the air. Yes if we had a Pac-8 composed of Big Sky teams, our media package would be small. And the sun would rise in the east.

Apple Cup ticket sales dismal

Article on Brand X. 35,000 total tickets sold. They estimate we will only get $2 million rather than the original $4M projection (I never believed that anyway). Still wonder if the ticket money will be split down the middle or if each "side " gets their ticket tevenues. If not, WSU will really take it in the shorts. Article implies that it will be 50/50.

Still, unless sales really pick up, and they could, I bet $2M is highballing. You have more "cheap" seats sold than high priced ones (I think anyway), and game expenses have to come off the top.

edit - Oh and I don't respond well to Jack Thompson, etc. telling us to "get off the frickin' sidelines". I'm sure others don't like being told what to do either.

Pac-12, Mountain West ‘too far apart’ as negotiations over 2025 scheduling partnership break down

Just because you keeeeep onnn repeating your $16-22M media rights number doesn't make it anything other than a figment of your imagination. And yes your fixation with Memphis and Tulane, neither of which has uttered one word about coming out West, is pure fantasy.

And why do you throw Sacramento State and Stephen F. Austin into the discussion? They are middling FCS schools.

Not saying that Sac St, Stephen Austin are possibilities. I was making the point that if PAC 8 had SHET like Stephen Austin, making up the PAC 8, that then the PAC wouldn't be worth 16 to22 mil per team per year.

Both you, and 95 regularly misread things.

Pac-12, Mountain West ‘too far apart’ as negotiations over 2025 scheduling partnership break down

I did NOT say EVERY, ANY OLE rebuilt PAC would get 16 to 22 mil percteam per year.

The ONLY way the PAC 8 gets that kind of money is to SPECIFICALLY get BSU, SDSU, Fresno, UNLV, Memphis, Tulane. Could replace 1 of those with Airforce, UTSA, and still get that kind of money.

If Rebuilt PAC 8 was Utah St, CSU, Wyoming, North Texas, Stephen F Austin, Sacramento St, that kind of Rebuilt PAC 8 would NOT get 16 to 22 mil.

What the PAC 12 got offered before the 10 left? It was NOT 23 ORIGINALLY. It was 30 mil per team per year from ESPN. The PAC leadership said NO to that, AND THEN because of that screw up, blunder, PAC 12 got a last ditch 23 mil per team per year offer from Apple, not because they weren't worth 30, but because Apple could offer them only 15 if wanted because Apple knew that if PAC 12 didn't take whatever crumbs offered PAC 12 was SCREWED.

So the real what the PAC number is worth with the 10 that left is 30 mil per team per year, not 23. And it's even higher because PAC could have gotten 34,35,36,37 mil per team, per year if made a reasonable counter off to ESPN instead of demanding at least 50+ mil per team per year.

Based on that, and the credible sources that said, reported 16 to 22 mil for the kind of PAC rebuild I talked about, 16 to 22 mil is quite logical, reasonable for the specific PAC rebuild I mentioned, as 16 mil is about half of the 30 that PAC offered by ESPN, and 22 is about 3/5 of the 37 PAC 12 probably would have gotten if reasonable counter offer made to ESPN.

Also BSU, Fresno St, SDSU, UNLV, Memphis, Tulane, WSU, as PAC 8 is competition wise almost as good as Arizona, ASU, Colorado, Stanford, CAL, Utah, UW, Oregon, WSU, OSU, and TV, value, etc, wise about 1/2 the value, etc, as the PAC 12, so BSU, SDSU, Fresno, UNLV, Memphis, Tulane, WSU, OSU getting 16 to 22 mil team per year is pretty reasonable, logical, does make sense, is what has been reported etc.
Just because you keeeeep onnn repeating your $16-22M media rights number doesn't make it anything other than a figment of your imagination. And yes your fixation with Memphis and Tulane, neither of which has uttered one word about coming out West, is pure fantasy.

And why do you throw Sacramento State and Stephen F. Austin into the discussion? They are middling FCS schools.

Cam Ward

I don’t think it’s as much about being upset he left as it is honest assessment of him as a QB. We had a lot of issues last year, starting with the OLine but Cam reverting to the old Cam as soon as he was under fire compounded everything. He has pro talent but he showed he wasn’t ready to go pro last year.

In the NFL you have to be able to handle pockets that aren’t clean, navigate the pocket, keep your eyes downfield, and take care of the ball. Cam had plenty of unclean pockets last year but after UCLA he started spinning around doing his Houdini shit which led to fumbles and unnecessary sacks. That will get a GM fired in the NFL. I’m hoping with a better line and running game he can stay the course this year and be an NFL guy. Certainly a good start, Florida has elite athletes and the swamp is not an easy place to play even when the Gators are down.
A 5th-ish round pick isn't going to get a GM fired.

Pac-12, Mountain West ‘too far apart’ as negotiations over 2025 scheduling partnership break down

Do these credible sources exist outside of your head? Because I haven't seen anyone report anything like "7,8, 7.5 mil to 10,11 mil per year" or "4 to 6 to 8 to 10 mil" from CFP. Honestly, ranges like that just scream "not credible."

Also haven't seen anyone (except you) say that a rebuilt Pac-X would get 16-22M. Seems unlikely, since we were only going to get 23 when we still had 7 of the 10 traitors. The numbers I've seen estimated a high end of 16, with some variability based on who was included.

Also haven't seen anyone (except you) mention adding Memphis and Tulane to the Pac. I really don't understand what your fixation with them is. You don't need to explain though, I don't care enough to read another nonsensical rant. By the way, just in case you haven't noticed, your caps lock key has been stuck for about a decade.

Right now, I don't see a ton of motivation for most of the MWC. They have a path to the playoff without WSU and OSU. The networks have shown that they don't see us having a ton of value, so it's not clear that we bring much to the table financially (except the short-term pile of cash we're sitting on). Their biggest incentive might be that maybe if us and OSU join, we back a plan for equal revenue sharing and BSU loses their bigger piece of the pie. But, I suspect we'd go the other way and say we should get a bigger piece too. 11 MWC members have had to put up with Boise State looking down on the rest of the conference and demanding more money for years, why do they want two more schools who think they're better than everyone else?

Reality sucks for WSU, because the fact is that we need a conference - any conference - more than any of them need us.

I did NOT say EVERY, ANY OLE rebuilt PAC would get 16 to 22 mil percteam per year.

The ONLY way the PAC 8 gets that kind of money is to SPECIFICALLY get BSU, SDSU, Fresno, UNLV, Memphis, Tulane. Could replace 1 of those with Airforce, UTSA, and still get that kind of money.

If Rebuilt PAC 8 was Utah St, CSU, Wyoming, North Texas, Stephen F Austin, Sacramento St, that kind of Rebuilt PAC 8 would NOT get 16 to 22 mil.

What the PAC 12 got offered before the 10 left? It was NOT 23 ORIGINALLY. It was 30 mil per team per year from ESPN. The PAC leadership said NO to that, AND THEN because of that screw up, blunder, PAC 12 got a last ditch 23 mil per team per year offer from Apple, not because they weren't worth 30, but because Apple could offer them only 15 if wanted because Apple knew that if PAC 12 didn't take whatever crumbs offered PAC 12 was SCREWED.

So the real what the PAC number is worth with the 10 that left is 30 mil per team per year, not 23. And it's even higher because PAC could have gotten 34,35,36,37 mil per team, per year if made a reasonable counter off to ESPN instead of demanding at least 50+ mil per team per year.

Based on that, and the credible sources that said, reported 16 to 22 mil for the kind of PAC rebuild I talked about, 16 to 22 mil is quite logical, reasonable for the specific PAC rebuild I mentioned, as 16 mil is about half of the 30 that PAC offered by ESPN, and 22 is about 3/5 of the 37 PAC 12 probably would have gotten if reasonable counter offer made to ESPN.

Also BSU, Fresno St, SDSU, UNLV, Memphis, Tulane, WSU, as PAC 8 is competition wise almost as good as Arizona, ASU, Colorado, Stanford, CAL, Utah, UW, Oregon, WSU, OSU, and TV, value, etc, wise about 1/2 the value, etc, as the PAC 12, so BSU, SDSU, Fresno, UNLV, Memphis, Tulane, WSU, OSU getting 16 to 22 mil team per year is pretty reasonable, logical, does make sense, is what has been reported etc.

Teresa Gould addresses the realignment rumor...

I hear what you're saying, but I hate the marketing excuse as it relates to attendance. Coug fans know when the games are happening. They fill up the WSU bars for watch parties. TV ratings clearly show that we're watching the games on television.

Our fans just choose not to attend. Hotels are pricey and the roundtrip drive isn't short, even if you're in Tri-Cities. That's the bottom line.
Really?

You been to a watch party lately? Yeah, there are some people but its actually rather sad. At least in SW WA.
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