dgibbons said:

You can admit you're a congenital liar anytime you choose. And still no receipts.

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I make another thread that you guys can whine on and you still post here…after you posted there. 🤦🏼

Coug90 said:

Being a lying racist POS and calling someone else a lying racist POS is most certainly an outburst…and projection.

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You can admit you're a congenital liar anytime you choose. And still no receipts.

Coug90 said:

Flat and I’m sure others are sick of threads getting overrun with nonsense. I’m taking it upon myself to make a special thread where gibbons can continue his tantrum and Uber can…well do what Uber does.

Copy and paste away fellas!

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Still no receipts. You can aid attention whore to your list.

Coug90 said:

Being a lying racist POS and calling someone else a lying racist POS is most certainly an outburst…and projection.

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Then, why do you do it?

rent free!

dgibbons said:

Still no receipts from the congenital liar. And only someone with a broken brain would call these posts an outburst.

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Being a lying racist POS and calling someone else a lying racist POS is most certainly an outburst…and projection.

Stretch 74 said:

To back up what you said, we had a PAC 10 official that worked that game come to one of the Pierce County Cougar Club meetings a year or two later. I think he was actually a side judge, but may have been a back judge. He stated that it clearly was a forward pass and that the Referee (someone here said it was Gordon Riese) overruled the officials that were the ones that were actually in position to make the correct call.

It REALLY makes one question the non-partisanship of some of the PAC officials over the years, doesn't it. That and plays like the Bobby Wade non-catch, the USC LB blatantly blasting Minshew, 3 non-calls on the John Ross punt return vs uw that were obvious blocks from the back, etc.

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Oregon DB tackling our receiver with ball midflight on our final drive.

Suudy said:

As a football official, that call was horrendous. We get it drilled in our head, "When in doubt, it is a forward pass." The fact that there was discussion among the officials for so long clearly indicated doubt. On the officiating forums I frequented back then, the consensus was that it was a very bad call.

Perhaps this was the beginning of the end for P10/P12 officiating. Back in the day, it was the SEC that got ridiculed as the worst officials.

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To back up what you said, we had a PAC 10 official that worked that game come to one of the Pierce County Cougar Club meetings a year or two later. I think he was actually a side judge, but may have been a back judge. He stated that it clearly was a forward pass and that the Referee (someone here said it was Gordon Riese) overruled the officials that were the ones that were actually in position to make the correct call.

It REALLY makes one question the non-partisanship of some of the PAC officials over the years, doesn't it. That and plays like the Bobby Wade non-catch, the USC LB blatantly blasting Minshew, 3 non-calls on the John Ross punt return vs uw that were obvious blocks from the back, etc.

Coug90 said:

We absolutely do. To the tune of a better market than most of the current B12 including several (maybe every?) school they brought in. The Seattle market is WSUs as well and the numbers don’t lie, WSU has been drawing eyeballs to TV sets for years.

It wasn’t a pipe dream at all. It should have been a no brainer. We just had the worst F’n salesman on the planet (thank you again Kirk) representing WSU when (and before) shit started hitting the fan.

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Good points 90. I agree the WSU to the Big 12 is not DOA

One question for you: Could you see the Big 12 taking WSU and Gonzaga or would it be either/or?

There's been speculation in the past that the Big 12 commissioner (Yormart) is eyeing a hybrid model where he would bring in some non-football schools to add to his conference's strength/prestige in basketball. The Big East schools would be obvious targets in that scenario, but there were reports Yormart met to Gonzaga a few months back.

95coug said:

It's not an accident that the only two Pac-12 games on ESPN are both Beaver games. They had higher numbers, they're closer to the Portland market. Those are the things that go into the calculation. We don't fit their model for media value. They don't know how to quantify what our value is, so they assume it's low. And, there's really no way to convince them otherwise, because no significant network is going to pick us up until the proof is in hand.

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Interesting perspective, thanks 95.

Is it fair to say OSU's ratings benefited from games against CFP teams Oregon and Boise State (both on FOX), an ex-Pac-12 team in Cal (ESPN2) plus Purdue from the Big Ten.

Meanwhile, WSU got a Big Ten bottom feeder in UW and middling Texas Tech on FOX with the Boise State broadcast relegated to FS1 and no other power conference opponents?

How are those TV ratings if you flip WSU'S and OSU's schedules and broadcast partners for the key games?

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We absolutely do. To the tune of a better market than most of the current B12 including several (maybe every?) school they brought in. The Seattle market is WSUs as well and the numbers don’t lie, WSU has been drawing eyeballs to TV sets for years.

It wasn’t a pipe dream at all. It should have been a no brainer. We just had the worst F’n salesman on the planet (thank you again Kirk) representing WSU when (and before) shit started hitting the fan.

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That's the view through the crimson colored glasses. Looking at it the way the network, media, and advertising people do, our market (the Spokane market) is insignificant, and there's no model that shows reliably what we pull outside of that. They see that we were above the middle in the Pac-12 for viewership, and they explain that by saying our draw was our opponents, or it was Mike Leach, or it was some other thing that fits their model. And unfortunately, last year's viewership numbers provide confirmation of that bias. In 2023, as a full Pac-12 school, we were #43 in viewership - 7th in the Pac-12 - at 1.08M per game (which was down from previous years), right alongside Navy, West Virginia, and Kentucky. In 2024, we plummeted to 70th, with 389K per game, comparable to Marshall, Maryland, and South Florida.

Oregon State went from #20, with 1.74M, to #52 with 609K.

I know that part of the viewership issue in 2024 was the crap network deal we had, but that doesn't matter to the execs. They look at the numbers, they see mediocre viewership, and they assume that's what the team draws. The fact that we both dropped roughly the same percentage of our audience (~64%) is further confirmation of the bias. They proved that's what they think by not picking us up again in 2025.

It's not an accident that the only two Pac-12 games on ESPN are both Beaver games. They had higher numbers, they're closer to the Portland market. Those are the things that go into the calculation. We don't fit their model for media value. They don't know how to quantify what our value is, so they assume it's low. And, there's really no way to convince them otherwise, because no significant network is going to pick us up until the proof is in hand.

Coug90 said:

Every outburst is another admission. And more projection.

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Still no receipts from the congenital liar. And only someone with a broken brain would call these posts an outburst.

dgibbons said:

Feel free to ignore it. Coug90 can bring receipts, quit posting, or admit he's a lying, racist, POS. His choice.

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Every outburst is another admission. And more projection.

Flatlandcoug said:

Can you guys just STFU about your little spat and take it elsewhere? Nobody gives a sh!t about this but you

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Feel free to ignore it. Coug90 can bring receipts, quit posting, or admit he's a lying, racist, POS. His choice.

Coug90 said:

Bad news is you painted yourself into a corner. Good news is Uber can try and help you fingerpaint your way out of it now!

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More lies from the congenital liar. And no receipts.

Can you guys just STFU about your little spat and take it elsewhere? Nobody gives a sh!t about this but you

95coug said:

This is, and always has been, a pipe dream. It should have been abundantly and immediately clear that the Big 12 wants nothing to do with OSU and WSU, when they had the opportunity to pick us up along with UA, ASU, and Utah but chose not to.

The Big 12 has their current deal because they have a footprint in some significant markets (Denver, Phoenix, Dallas, Houston, plus Utah and Houston give them the Mormon market). It's not because they have any particularly significant programs. That conference will stagnate through the next round of realignment and media deal - they're not going to get anything better unless they snatch up more markets. And, their only chance of that is if the ACC implodes (which looks less likely in the near future) or if the Big 10 and SEC release teams (which isn't happening until the next contract cycle). Either way, WSU and OSU don't bring market to the table, and aren't going to be an attractive option, unless they're needed to even out the schedule and will do it at a discount.

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We absolutely do. To the tune of a better market than most of the current B12 including several (maybe every?) school they brought in. The Seattle market is WSUs as well and the numbers don’t lie, WSU has been drawing eyeballs to TV sets for years.

It wasn’t a pipe dream at all. It should have been a no brainer. We just had the worst F’n salesman on the planet (thank you again Kirk) representing WSU when (and before) shit started hitting the fan.

Coug90 said:

Are we still hanging on to this hope? I was one of the ones who was but I’ve resigned to the fact that the P12 is basically the new MWC.

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This is, and always has been, a pipe dream. It should have been abundantly and immediately clear that the Big 12 wants nothing to do with OSU and WSU, when they had the opportunity to pick us up along with UA, ASU, and Utah but chose not to.

The Big 12 has their current deal because they have a footprint in some significant markets (Denver, Phoenix, Dallas, Houston, plus Utah and Houston give them the Mormon market). It's not because they have any particularly significant programs. That conference will stagnate through the next round of realignment and media deal - they're not going to get anything better unless they snatch up more markets. And, their only chance of that is if the ACC implodes (which looks less likely in the near future) or if the Big 10 and SEC release teams (which isn't happening until the next contract cycle). Either way, WSU and OSU don't bring market to the table, and aren't going to be an attractive option, unless they're needed to even out the schedule and will do it at a discount.

UberCougars said:

see?

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You next Tuesday?

mikalalas said:

PAC 12 is, will be, is the 5th best football conference in America once it gets its 8th football team.

MWC was NEVER the 5th best football conference in America.

The AAC was the 5th best football conference in America

So the PAC 12 is NOT a MWC 2.0.

The PAC 12 is a AAC 2.0, semi hybrid G5, P5, 5th best conference behind SEC, Big 10, Big 12, ACC, and Dave's post about PAC 12 FACTS above PROVES IT.

That said, your right that PAC 12 is probably NOT going to merge, join with either of ACC/Big 12, unless one of those 2 get raided, and need to backfill, and even then it might not happen, etc.

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Survive till 2030. Everything is going to change again at that point.

see?

dgibbons said:

Still no receipts. Just lies.

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Bad news is you painted yourself into a corner. Good news is Uber can try and help you fingerpaint your way out of it now!

dgibbons said:

Still no receipts. Just lies.

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and hysteria.

Don’t forget the hysteria.

How much media revenue will BB earn?

Will this revenue be shared with players like football?

Will women receive revenue share also?

Equal to men?

If the AD receives reduced media revenue and begins sharing with players, how will this affect the budget crisis at WSU?