Rolo’s a NoNo
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Geezus - how many times do I need to repost this video clip. Trump suggested we insert UV or bright lights ino the body, and suggested injecting disinfectants (no no bleach specifically. And if I recall the actual press conference, Dr. Birk was rolliing her eyes.
I'm going to flip this back around and say that before I triple my list, please list five legitimately terrible things that the other Presidents in the list did. They will each have a couple and yes, I've already agreed that Bill Clinton is a scumbag. I voted against his sorry ass in both elections and was bonkers pissed when he won re-election in 1996. Bill Clinton being a scumbag doesn't mean that Donald Trump should be accepted. Send both their asses to prison as far as I'm concerned.
Because when you are trying to spin an impossible narrative that’s all you can do is focus on how many sesame seeds are on the giant shit sandwich staring you in the face. Like I said, the psych study of this era of American politics and the rabbit holes people have gone down…highly intelligent people I might add…to defend their team will be fascinating.
Find what . Are you saying there is not a video where trump claimed that we should use a disinfectant “type” of product that would kill the virus . Maybe like an antibody but for a virus which doesn’t exist . But you are saying he didn’t spit ball the idea of a disinfectant type product take to kill covid ?
Second are you saying he didn’t say we should use UV rays under our skin cause we can use that . Are you saying he didn’t ponder that ? I just want to make sure we are on the same page .
Are you also saying there are no videos in where he said he was being sarcastic to the reporters and he wasn’t being serious ?
I just want to make sure I am finding the correct videos .
Nixon- Really? I really have to list five things for Nixon? Interfering with Vietnam peace negotiations before he was elected. How many aspects of Watergate do I get to count? The break-in, the coverup, engineering others to take the fall, bribes, hush money. Discrediting Daniel Ellsberg. Bonus- generally destroying trust in government.
Ford- Pardoned Nixon, admittedly other controversies of his presidency were typical, inflation, recession, energy crisis. But you were talking about lies.
Reagan- Iran-Contra, War on Drugs, Invasion of Granada, Sewergate, HUD grant rigging.
HW Bush- Invasion of Panama, his own role in Iran-Contra, I think it was six pardons of guys involved in Iran-Contra, War on Drugs, deliberately targeting civilians in Desert Storm. And of course, his ambassador to Iraq telling Saddam that US had no opinion on Arab-Arab conflicts a week before Saddam invaded Kuwait.
Clinton- Do I need to cover this one?
W- WMDs, Guantanamo Bay, indicted for war crimes, Patriot Act, Hurricane Katrina. Bonus- great recession.
Obama- Subpoenaing reporters, weaponizing IRS, Benghazi and the collapse of Libya and the civil war, pen and phone usurping of the Constitution, undermining Trump's presidency.
Find the videos. Post them in this thread. Don't change the subject or equivocate. Find the videos you say exist and post them. Start with nuking hurricanes.
Are you fact checking nuking the hurricane, or do you want to just admit there's nothing there?
Geezus christ. I just posted the disinfectant video for the second time a while ago. Scroll up. 11:50 this morning.
Bill Clinton, and many others before him, benefited from serving during a time without social and expanded mainstream media. He would have been impeached and forced out of office had he served in today's climate.
The issue for all of us needs to shift away from debating which option is worse to demanding better from all of our leaders.
Uhh....some of your terrible things are just policy decisions and many of them weren't particularly controversial and just things happening.
Nixon was trash...but you really only came up with two things.
Ford pardoned Nixon but the general consensus today was that it was the right choice in allowing the country to move forward. The rest of your list is standard political griping.
Reagan.....that Iran-Contra scandal was bad. Sewergate happened on his watch...but was he actually involved at all? When I talk about Trump, I talk about things that he actually did. "War on Drugs"? How does that have anything to do with this discussion? The HUD rigging was a bad look. So...you really had only two that you can pin on him. He was also guilty of a lot of policy decisions that made his rich cronies richer...so there is that...but still not five.
HW Bush....invasion of Panama was bad. Iran contra feels like a stretch but hey, whatever. "War on Drugs" again? Do you know that Bush gave orders to target civilians in Desert Storm? And what does an Ambassador's communication have to do with being a terrible human being? This still feels like a 2 part statement.
Bush II - A strong list, but the list is more bad policy decisions than anything to do with being a terrible human being. I'd be curious to know how much bad information that Bush was provided in his decision making. The first four items on the list were related to him doing things to make our country safer (in his eyes) in the wake of 9/11. Were some of them bad decisions? Sure...but how many were done out of personal advancement and selfishness? Hurricane Katrina was a FUBAR but how is it relevant to a discussion about personal failures as a human being (pussy grabbing, threatening to murder people in the street, 30000 misleading statements or lies while in office, fake electors, blackmailing foreign leaders).
On Obama, there was some dirty politics in the first couple points you made...but the FBI found that the IRS story didn't warrant charges and that included a look in 2017 when Trump was President. Benghazi was a FUBAR but how is that relevant to the discussion? A failure of people within his administration doesn't make him a human stain in the way that Trump's daily actions do. What does the collapse of Libya say about Obama's character? I think you are going to pull a muscle reaching. You mention executive orders, but Trump had 55 executive orders per year compared to 35 by Obama. What does that say about Trump? Undermining Trump's presidency? If anything, Obama has been criticized for not saying enough about Trump's presidency.
Please come up with a list of five things on each of those where they said or did terrible things to advance their own prospects or that the general public would agree are traits of a bad human being...not just bad choices that involve other people in the administration more than the President himself. Everyone makes mistakes and again, no president is perfect, but bad policies is a different conversation than Trump.
Just for fun though, here are some other gems that make Trump stand out:
1) Using the National Park Service police to push protesters out of a park for a photo op with a bible.
2) Failing to ask his supporters to quit invading and vandalizing our nation's Capitol building
3) Starting a riot at the Capitol by telling those supporters to head down Pennsylvania Avenue and fight like hell.
4) Making fun of a handicapped person for their disability
5) Putting his children into positions of power or authority within the government
6) Taking classified documents after leaving office and then refusing to return them when challenged
7) Publicly attacking a former President by saying that he was born in Africa because of the color of his skin
8) Saying that white supremacists are good people too.
9) Making it clear that he prefers Russian and North Korean authoritarian figures over all others
10) Paying off a porn star so that she wouldn't go to the press and then lying about it.
11) Running an election campaign insisting that he would get Mexico to build the wall and dumping it on taxpayers the moment he got elected
12) Actually grabbing a woman by the pussy in a clothing store, defaming the victim and than losing a lawsuit about said defamation
13) Encouraging foreign dignitaries to stay in his hotels on official visits in violation of the emoluments clause.
14) Golfing on the taxpayers dime at an expense of around $150 million.
and the grand finale.....
15) bashing on veterans like John McCain when he was too much of a coward to serve in the military and using a bribed doctor's excuse of "bone spurs" to avoid serving his country.
Again...not every President is perfect and they all make mistakes, but the Cheeto-In-Chief stands above all others when it comes to selfishness, bigotry, racism and narcissism. All others fade in the shadow of his debauchery, hatred and arrogance.
And don't forget:
Geezus dude...we all know how much you hate Trump and republicans. You post about it every other post when you are not boasting about your conquests and sexual prowess.
I suggest you go back and re-watch the video. He was talking to a doctor and did not say we should all go out and inject disinfectant...and hating Trump does not make it so.
If you shot up with some bleach and snorted some UV rays, then you get what you get.
This whole thing is right up there with the flu caused Jeff Tuel to break his collarbone.
I'm more concerned about how democrat run cities have become shitholes. due liberal policies(soft on crime, not enforcing the laws, defunding the police etc)..and how reports are coming out on a daily basis of how teachers in democrat run school districts are talking about gay sex and talking to kids about their sexual identity.
If you think this isn't happening, I suggest you take a break from binge watching CNN and go look at Libs of Tik Tok. It is documented on a daily basis.
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Not going to bother to post them and then you lawyer . Simply want to make sure we are talking about the same thing before I post . Sorry if you don’t like to be out in a box that won’t allow you to work out by saying … he saying “ fake news cause he said something inside the skin like uv rays” and hi Clem back and say”you said light “
You will mince works like when talking about the Arizona qb and I said the Arizona qb Khalil Hill instead of tate and that somehow in your mind changed the entire discussion cause I wrote down the incorrect last name . This isn’t your court room blithers. Tell me what you want to see and exactly what you want to see and I will post it .
Already did that Ed. See above. But, I'll try again. Post the video of Trump saying nuke a hurricane.
Uhh....some of your terrible things are just policy decisions and many of them weren't particularly controversial and just things happening.
Nixon was trash...but you really only came up with two things.
Ford pardoned Nixon but the general consensus today was that it was the right choice in allowing the country to move forward. The rest of your list is standard political griping.
Reagan.....that Iran-Contra scandal was bad. Sewergate happened on his watch...but was he actually involved at all? When I talk about Trump, I talk about things that he actually did. "War on Drugs"? How does that have anything to do with this discussion? The HUD rigging was a bad look. So...you really had only two that you can pin on him. He was also guilty of a lot of policy decisions that made his rich cronies richer...so there is that...but still not five.
HW Bush....invasion of Panama was bad. Iran contra feels like a stretch but hey, whatever. "War on Drugs" again? Do you know that Bush gave orders to target civilians in Desert Storm? And what does an Ambassador's communication have to do with being a terrible human being? This still feels like a 2 part statement.
Bush II - A strong list, but the list is more bad policy decisions than anything to do with being a terrible human being. I'd be curious to know how much bad information that Bush was provided in his decision making. The first four items on the list were related to him doing things to make our country safer (in his eyes) in the wake of 9/11. Were some of them bad decisions? Sure...but how many were done out of personal advancement and selfishness? Hurricane Katrina was a FUBAR but how is it relevant to a discussion about personal failures as a human being (pussy grabbing, threatening to murder people in the street, 30000 misleading statements or lies while in office, fake electors, blackmailing foreign leaders).
On Obama, there was some dirty politics in the first couple points you made...but the FBI found that the IRS story didn't warrant charges and that included a look in 2017 when Trump was President. Benghazi was a FUBAR but how is that relevant to the discussion? A failure of people within his administration doesn't make him a human stain in the way that Trump's daily actions do. What does the collapse of Libya say about Obama's character? I think you are going to pull a muscle reaching. You mention executive orders, but Trump had 55 executive orders per year compared to 35 by Obama. What does that say about Trump? Undermining Trump's presidency? If anything, Obama has been criticized for not saying enough about Trump's presidency.
Please come up with a list of five things on each of those where they said or did terrible things to advance their own prospects or that the general public would agree are traits of a bad human being...not just bad choices that involve other people in the administration more than the President himself. Everyone makes mistakes and again, no president is perfect, but bad policies is a different conversation than Trump.
Just for fun though, here are some other gems that make Trump stand out:
1) Using the National Park Service police to push protesters out of a park for a photo op with a bible.
2) Failing to ask his supporters to quit invading and vandalizing our nation's Capitol building
3) Starting a riot at the Capitol by telling those supporters to head down Pennsylvania Avenue and fight like hell.
4) Making fun of a handicapped person for their disability
5) Putting his children into positions of power or authority within the government
6) Taking classified documents after leaving office and then refusing to return them when challenged
7) Publicly attacking a former President by saying that he was born in Africa because of the color of his skin
8) Saying that white supremacists are good people too.
9) Making it clear that he prefers Russian and North Korean authoritarian figures over all others
10) Paying off a porn star so that she wouldn't go to the press and then lying about it.
11) Running an election campaign insisting that he would get Mexico to build the wall and dumping it on taxpayers the moment he got elected
12) Actually grabbing a woman by the pussy in a clothing store, defaming the victim and than losing a lawsuit about said defamation
13) Encouraging foreign dignitaries to stay in his hotels on official visits in violation of the emoluments clause.
14) Golfing on the taxpayers dime at an expense of around $150 million.
and the grand finale.....
15) bashing on veterans like John McCain when he was too much of a coward to serve in the military and using a bribed doctor's excuse of "bone spurs" to avoid serving his country.
Again...not every President is perfect and they all make mistakes, but the Cheeto-In-Chief stands above all others when it comes to selfishness, bigotry, racism and narcissism. All others fade in the shadow of his debauchery, hatred and arrogance.
And don't forget:
What you're proving here is your ignorance, and combining it with a case of TDS.
For example, you're cool with destablizing a country and igniting a civil war, and invading a country based on false narrative. People dying when you're in a position to stop it is cool with you as well. Having sex with a pornstar on the other hand, that's a bridge too far. That's what makes someone a vile human being. Maybe moral judgments is something you're not suited for.
Well Ed, when you reply to this post in this manner:
Blithers … are you saying Trump didn’t say those things on video ? So was Trunp serious about somehow getting something similar (is that better for you ) to a disinfectant in the body and having a way to get light under the skin? Was that a legitimate effort to problem solve in the public square or was he just joking ?
It sure sounds like you did. But sure, keep walking things back Ed-style.
Did somebody say hurricanes?
You got me gibbons I mixed up the hurricane coverages…and yeah I can’t believe this stable genius would say something like that, there’s just no way!
Great suggestion, now that I know your head fits up your ass, I’ll just do a quick circumference check on that tree!
FWIW, I never said that igniting a civil war was something that I was cool with. Our country, regardless of the political leanings of our President has often been guilty of allowing or encouraging unrest in other countries. That sucks...but again, there's no transitive process of suckitude that makes it ok that Trump was willing to throw our constitution and laws out the window to remain President. It doesn't make it ok that he routinely shat upon our values to promote himself.
You keep on assuming that if I'm opposed to Trump, it means that I think everyone else was ok. They all sucked at times...but Trump sucked all the time. And if you don't think he wouldn't sell other countries down the river to promote his agenda....that tells us all about your version of TDS that you are living with.
Great post Flat. Can't believe that any decent American would support this POS. Let's just end this thread............Uhh....some of your terrible things are just policy decisions and many of them weren't particularly controversial and just things happening.
Nixon was trash...but you really only came up with two things.
Ford pardoned Nixon but the general consensus today was that it was the right choice in allowing the country to move forward. The rest of your list is standard political griping.
Reagan.....that Iran-Contra scandal was bad. Sewergate happened on his watch...but was he actually involved at all? When I talk about Trump, I talk about things that he actually did. "War on Drugs"? How does that have anything to do with this discussion? The HUD rigging was a bad look. So...you really had only two that you can pin on him. He was also guilty of a lot of policy decisions that made his rich cronies richer...so there is that...but still not five.
HW Bush....invasion of Panama was bad. Iran contra feels like a stretch but hey, whatever. "War on Drugs" again? Do you know that Bush gave orders to target civilians in Desert Storm? And what does an Ambassador's communication have to do with being a terrible human being? This still feels like a 2 part statement.
Bush II - A strong list, but the list is more bad policy decisions than anything to do with being a terrible human being. I'd be curious to know how much bad information that Bush was provided in his decision making. The first four items on the list were related to him doing things to make our country safer (in his eyes) in the wake of 9/11. Were some of them bad decisions? Sure...but how many were done out of personal advancement and selfishness? Hurricane Katrina was a FUBAR but how is it relevant to a discussion about personal failures as a human being (pussy grabbing, threatening to murder people in the street, 30000 misleading statements or lies while in office, fake electors, blackmailing foreign leaders).
On Obama, there was some dirty politics in the first couple points you made...but the FBI found that the IRS story didn't warrant charges and that included a look in 2017 when Trump was President. Benghazi was a FUBAR but how is that relevant to the discussion? A failure of people within his administration doesn't make him a human stain in the way that Trump's daily actions do. What does the collapse of Libya say about Obama's character? I think you are going to pull a muscle reaching. You mention executive orders, but Trump had 55 executive orders per year compared to 35 by Obama. What does that say about Trump? Undermining Trump's presidency? If anything, Obama has been criticized for not saying enough about Trump's presidency.
Please come up with a list of five things on each of those where they said or did terrible things to advance their own prospects or that the general public would agree are traits of a bad human being...not just bad choices that involve other people in the administration more than the President himself. Everyone makes mistakes and again, no president is perfect, but bad policies is a different conversation than Trump.
Just for fun though, here are some other gems that make Trump stand out:
1) Using the National Park Service police to push protesters out of a park for a photo op with a bible.
2) Failing to ask his supporters to quit invading and vandalizing our nation's Capitol building
3) Starting a riot at the Capitol by telling those supporters to head down Pennsylvania Avenue and fight like hell.
4) Making fun of a handicapped person for their disability
5) Putting his children into positions of power or authority within the government
6) Taking classified documents after leaving office and then refusing to return them when challenged
7) Publicly attacking a former President by saying that he was born in Africa because of the color of his skin
8) Saying that white supremacists are good people too.
9) Making it clear that he prefers Russian and North Korean authoritarian figures over all others
10) Paying off a porn star so that she wouldn't go to the press and then lying about it.
11) Running an election campaign insisting that he would get Mexico to build the wall and dumping it on taxpayers the moment he got elected
12) Actually grabbing a woman by the pussy in a clothing store, defaming the victim and than losing a lawsuit about said defamation
13) Encouraging foreign dignitaries to stay in his hotels on official visits in violation of the emoluments clause.
14) Golfing on the taxpayers dime at an expense of around $150 million.
and the grand finale.....
15) bashing on veterans like John McCain when he was too much of a coward to serve in the military and using a bribed doctor's excuse of "bone spurs" to avoid serving his country.
Again...not every President is perfect and they all make mistakes, but the Cheeto-In-Chief stands above all others when it comes to selfishness, bigotry, racism and narcissism. All others fade in the shadow of his debauchery, hatred and arrogance.
And don't forget:
Your moral compass tells you sex with porn star is worse than igniting a civil war resulting in the deaths of thousands of the people.
"It doesn't make it ok that he routinely shat upon our values to promote himself." Tell me a president that hasn't?
embarrassed, no. Why would you nuke a hurricane when a strategically placed windmill could blow it away…so long as it’s not near any people where it would cause a tremendous amount of cancer.
I'm just going to say that any reasonable human being reading this thread knows that you are full of sh!t and you are expending a lot of energy trying to defend a morally bankrupt human being. As Martin Luther King, Jr once said, "The arc of moral history is long, but it bends towards justice". In 20 years, there will be almost nobody who looks back at Trump as a good President and a man worth supporting. Whether the other Presidents were flawed is a different conversation and doesn't excuse who Trump is.
Completely disagree here. He lost no supporters after the Billie Bush incident, making fun of a disabled person in front of a national audience, and saying McCain wasn’t a war hero. His life is littered with actions that are the opposite of Christian values yet he has the overwhelming support of evangelical Christians. You really can’t compare the support for him to any other politician in history…this is a fan club/cult, not your typical support of a party or politician. Now what I will say is his support is heavily concentrated within older generations, so by demographics alone he will fade away into irrelevance..simple math, elderly die + new generation of voters coming of age that mostly hate everything he stands for.
Enjoy the laughs - his manic episode is almost as entertaining as Biggs’ recent meltdown.
Or a reasonable human being reading this would realize that you're quite ignorant of history and willing to excuse abhorrent behavior because you consider someone a swell guy.
Are you at the Wulff-esque point where you're going to say that Nixon wasn't as bad as people think?
It’s funny you’d bring up Wulff here. If you want to get metaphorical, that 4 years was like going 9-40 AND losing your innocence at the same time. Not only did USC kneel at your 10 yard line but you had 80s Miami levels of program corruption, Sandusky/Art Briles levels of sexual scandal, and Barry Switzer levels of recruiting violations.
But yeah in this reimagined Wulff era let’s talk about how Bill Doba was every bit as shitty because he mismanaged the QB room in 2006.
I just find it hilarious that Clinton and Biden voters play the moral superiority card.
I'm not a huge Trump fan and would prefer that he just goes away. We can do better.
With that said, when Biden said in 1977 about busing people of color to white schools:
Why does he get a free pass for saying that if you don't vote for him, you're not black.
As if African Americans can't think for themselves. Apparently they need the democratic party to tell them what to think and how to vote
Biden is a big steaming pile of shit.
Also, this site sucks
I'm not a huge Trump fan and would prefer that he just goes away. We can do better.
With that said, when Biden said in 1977 about busing people of color to white schools:
- non-"orderly" racial integration policies would cause his children to "grow up in a racial jungle."
- He then said: "Unless we do something about this, my children are going to grow up in a jungle, the jungle being a racial jungle with tensions having built so high that it is going to explode at some point."
Why does he get a free pass for saying that if you don't vote for him, you're not black.
As if African Americans can't think for themselves. Apparently they need the democratic party to tell them what to think and how to vote
Biden is a big steaming pile of shit.
Also, this site sucks
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What's interesting is that you keep assuming that I'm some kind of fan of those other presidents.
I do think that Obama was a better President than Republicans gave him credit for....but I voted against him in both elections because I disagreed with his policies overall.
I also feel that HW Bush takes a lot of heat for his decisions after 9/11 that isn't necessarily fair. A lot of dumb decisions were made using bad intel. Maybe he knew, maybe he didn't. Most of the things that I've read suggested that his biggest failure was trusting his VP too much. He was at least partially responsible for the Great Recession, but then again, all he did was promote the GOP's standard playbook...so if he's a villain in the story, that paints the whole GOP in a bad light. If I was going to have a beer with a former President, HW would be high on my list.
BTW, your Nixon comment is moronic. I said above that Nixon was a trash president. But hey, try to throw in a Wulff reference to confuse the issue, right?
What I find interesting about the attack that you've chosen to lay on me is that it makes you sound like a whiny, little liberal saying that we need to re-write our history books to shame our country but here you are bobbing on ol' Donny's knob. I find it interesting to see the flip-flop.
The guy says a lot of things that are mystifying, and has a long history of foot in mouth moments.
But he was right about busing. That was a good example of treating the symptom, not the problem.
Sponge...I am not defending Loyal and I don't hate republicans. I am the Bernie Sanders of my good friend's(who is a republican) liquor cabinet. We all have our hotspots and things that forms a lot of our political opinions.
What is different about Trump is the lengths people go to coddle him, not criticize him, bend their morality in defense of him. You are telling us what you interpreted what Trump meant. His press conference sounded stupid. And if he had said "I was thinking out loud and of course I don't mean use disinfectant but a drug that would be able to do the same." That would have sounded like someone who wasn't speaking 3rd grade Sewickley. But as you explain what he said, there is a video of him saying he was being sarcastic to the reporters question, meaning he knew it didn't sound credible.
And I have seen people who have a strong moral compass twist themselves in knots trying to defend him. Just when you think he did something indefensible people will tell me what I saw with my own two eyes I didn't see that. Fake news. It is Orwells 1984.
I have seen one person after another getting hauled into court. Not sure what the difference in for example Paul Manafort embezzling 15 million or Antifia stealing a mil of purses. Manafort wore a suit. He got pardoned.
While dems run these cities into the ground, meanwhile the poorest and the top 15 states in terms of literacy and poverty are run by republicans.
And maybe the greatest tragedy is this...you want clean cities, you want crime free cities, you want material appropriate in the classroom. I get that . You know how my kids and their generation can fix it? The vote.
But the Republican party and most specifically Trump wants to take that privilege away from that generation and others. It is something I have honored since my first vote for Reagan, but because one person cant handle losing he goes off about election fraud. Do you know he even hired two independent firms (not the cyber ninjas) and they said like Krebs and 60 judges there was no basis of fraud. Yet the republican party is so scared of him they can take a dump without kneeling to him first. That is quite sad. And it screws with my kids able to exercise their vote...
I personally am not a fan of Biden. I agree that we should be able to do better than both him and Trump.
That said, I don't put a whole lot of weight on things that were said or done 45 years ago by anyone. Our country was a lot different place and a lot of people had not had a chance to see the errors of their ways. If your biggest slam on Biden is something that he said almost half hundred years ago...that's a big reach....even if I don't really care for him. Of course, because Trump does everything bigger (better?) than anyone else, he didn't stop at making racist comments about black people back then. In 1989, he spent tens of thousands of dollars on full page ads in four New York newspapers saying that five teenagers should be put to death for beating and raping a white woman who was jogging. Oh yeah, those kids turned out to be innocent. Racism was rampant back then.
You're not wrong for asking why Biden said that a black person loses their race card if they don't vote for him. He was wrong for saying that. At the same time, Trump says ridiculous things all the time and Church ministers were well known for telling their constituents that they had a moral obligation to overlook Trump's sins and vote for him because he was God's instrument. How is that any different than your comment about the Democratic Party?
This is a generally sh!tty time in our country's history where both parties have extreme agendas and terrible people leading them. Pelosi, Schumer, Sanders, Biden, Warren and the whole top of the Democratic(ish) party leadership is a joke. Republicans are no better. It's terrible that we are stuck in a time where we have to pick what we think is the least worst choice rather than the best choice.
You're the one making excuses for them, such as W above. Because you'd like to drink a beer with him, you're excusing W's totally unjustified invasion of Iraq, the fact that he was convicted of war crimes, and authorized torture.
But the way, HW is George Herbert Walker Bush, 41st President of the United States from 1989 to 1993. W is his son, George W. Bush, 43rd President of the United States from 2001 to 2009. You're in dire need more history lessons, but that's enough for today.
The only reason I bring up something that was said 45 years ago is because cancel culture dictates that we do so.
Other than that, I don't disagree with the rest of your post.
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