95coug said:

I'm with you on Memphis and Tulane, they're too removed for too little return. Neither has very strong viewership (although to be fair, the 4 teams that we've already pulled aren't great on viewership either). They're in the #50 and #52 media markets, which puts them on par with Fresno-Visalia and Albuquerque.

UNLV (#40 market) seems like a no-brainer, unless they've attached themselves to Reno (#102....right behind Tri-Cities). UTSA is #31. UNLV & UTSA had nearly identical viewership last year. Just ahead of them in viewers, but in the #10 market is SJSU.

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Memphis is a great market to add. #50, but they pull in neighboring markets as well. Same with Tulane. These are the 2 best non-SEC programs in the Southeast.

I'm not a fan of this cross-country realignment stuff, but I absolutely see why the P12 is leaning towards Memphis, Tulane, Texas San Antonio, etc. Viewership and TV market is all that matters, and having a pod of these 4 programs is going to draw more eyes on games than Air Force, San Jose State, Wyoming, etc.

Loyal Coug1 said:

The top 5 conferences get automatic bids. Wake up please....

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that makes the predictor even dumber for leaving out the Big 12 then.

95coug said:

Air Force doesn't do anything for us. They have few viewers in a market that CSU already has us in. They're a pain in the ass to play, too. They won't be a player in NIL and aren't a huge recruiting competitor, but those are minor positives.

I'm with you on Memphis and Tulane, they're too removed for too little return. Neither has very strong viewership (although to be fair, the 4 teams that we've already pulled aren't great on viewership either). They're in the #50 and #52 media markets, which puts them on par with Fresno-Visalia and Albuquerque.

UNLV (#40 market) seems like a no-brainer, unless they've attached themselves to Reno (#102....right behind Tri-Cities). UTSA is #31. UNLV & UTSA had nearly identical viewership last year. Just ahead of them in viewers, but in the #10 market is SJSU.

Yes, SJSU is a commuter school that we don't have much respect for...but they're in the Bay, along with a lot of TVs. We can't ignore that. Fresno and SDSU give us a piece of SoCal, it would be really good to have some NorCal too. I really think that the first right of refusal goes to Cal and Stanford, but if (when) they decline, we need to consider SJSU. On the plus side, it's an extremely likely win every year.

I think it's also worth consolidating the programs in the west to get a pretty solid grip on the teams that anyone watches in the mid to late time slots.

To me, the list looks like this:

1. Cal
2. Stanford (slightly behind because I think they're less likely to accept and more likely to threaten to leave every year)
3. UNLV
4. SJSU
5. UTSA
6. Wyoming
7. After that, everyone just blends together into an unattractive mess.

This of course assumes we don't pull off some sort of miraculous poaching of a school from the Big 12...which seems somewhere between impossible and outrageous.

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UW with 3 our of four to Iowa Rutgers and Indiana....those trips will wear on them. I say think big... see if UCLA has buyers remorse, see if Nebraska wants to become a power again or middle of the pack...

mikalalas said:

Also AAC schools like Memphis, Tulane, UTSA, not only have more value, but they only cost $10 to $13 mil per College, which is way CHEAPER then the $15 mil poaching fee, + $18 mil exit fee for UNLV + the $15 mil poaching fee + $18 mil exit fee for BOTTOM DWELLER, NO VALUE NEVADA, THAT LIKELY TIED TO UNLV, for a total of $76 million for UNLV, Nevada, compared to only $10 mil to $13 mil for each of Memphis, Tulane, UTSA, that best of the G5 programs in USA, that have a lot of value, more value then UNLV, Airforce, Nevada, and that only cost a total of $30 mil to $39 mil, compared to the about 109 mil for UNLV, Airforce, Nevada.

Doesn't matter that Memphis, Tulane is in the borderline south midwest to just barely south western half of USA just barely, and semi far way.

All that matters is that Memphis, Tulane, BSU, Fresno St, SDSU, WSU, OSU, CSU, UNLV or UTSA, etc, will be, is, etc, the 5th best conference behind Big 10, SEC, Big 12, ACC, and a hybrid P5, G5 conference, or that become such a conference, that get about 13 mil to 15 mil to 17 mil to 19 mil to 21 mil per team, per year, that get about 5,6,7,8,9 mil from CFP after 2028. Where that PAC 8 champ goes to 12 team playoff 99 times, out of 100 over, instead of AAC champ, MWC Champ, MAAC champ, SUN Belt Champ, as long as PAC 8 champ 9-3, 10-2, 11-1, etc.

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Mik your math needs some work. The poaching fee for teams 5 and 6 is not $15 million. It is about $12 million. The exit fee is $17M, not 18M$. And even using your incorrect numbers, the total would be $66M not $76M. The real combined number is $58M.

This "hybrid P5, G5" nonsense is all in your mind.

Every guesstimate I've read speaks to a Pac-8 media deal of $10-15 million max. Not $13-21M. And your assertion about getting $5-9M in CFP monies assumes that a) the CFP even exists after 2028, and b) that WSU wins the Pac every year. A bit of a reach.

And your geography needs some work. Go look at a map. Tulane is not borderline midwest = it is Deep South (east). Memphis is in the Southeast.

That said, I'm still prepared to eat crow if the absolutely terrible choice comes down to Tulane and Memphis.

mikalalas said:

Good News my post on Die Hard Cougs got 18 likes, and a Lady sent me a facebook messenger message, said that her Husband, Son, and herself are going to the game, and that they probably would be able to give me a ride, and She is going to check with her Husband, and then get back to me.

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Ride Finalized. Now I need to Either try to stay at a friend's place, or try to get a ride home from Spokane to Davenport, from a friend, or stay at a cheap Spokane Hotel(like $55,60 a night, or do the temporary homeless thing in Spokane until I can Take Monday bus from Spokane to Davenport, etc.

CougPatrol said:

Market size matters. That's why, unfortunately, Wyoming isn't going to be considered.

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The list below has some question marks in terms of what all games and networks are included. However, it shows Wyoming's viewership as higher than Fresno or SDSU. SJSU is surprisingly above UNLV.

Loyal Coug1 said:

I could go with that list except I would put UNLV at #1. Cal and Stanford are irrelevant because they aren't coming back. Certainly not in time to meet our grace period deadline.

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Stranger things have happened...... And in response to 95, I wouldn't exactly consider Fresno a SoCal city but I guess close enough? Yes, splitting hairs I know.

95coug said:

Air Force doesn't do anything for us. They have few viewers in a market that CSU already has us in. They're a pain in the ass to play, too. They won't be a player in NIL and aren't a huge recruiting competitor, but those are minor positives.

I'm with you on Memphis and Tulane, they're too removed for too little return. Neither has very strong viewership (although to be fair, the 4 teams that we've already pulled aren't great on viewership either). They're in the #50 and #52 media markets, which puts them on par with Fresno-Visalia and Albuquerque.

UNLV (#40 market) seems like a no-brainer, unless they've attached themselves to Reno (#102....right behind Tri-Cities). UTSA is #31. UNLV & UTSA had nearly identical viewership last year. Just ahead of them in viewers, but in the #10 market is SJSU.

Yes, SJSU is a commuter school that we don't have much respect for...but they're in the Bay, along with a lot of TVs. We can't ignore that. Fresno and SDSU give us a piece of SoCal, it would be really good to have some NorCal too. I really think that the first right of refusal goes to Cal and Stanford, but if (when) they decline, we need to consider SJSU. On the plus side, it's an extremely likely win every year.

I think it's also worth consolidating the programs in the west to get a pretty solid grip on the teams that anyone watches in the mid to late time slots.

To me, the list looks like this:

1. Cal
2. Stanford (slightly behind because I think they're less likely to accept and more likely to threaten to leave every year)
3. UNLV
4. SJSU
5. UTSA
6. Wyoming
7. After that, everyone just blends together into an unattractive mess.

This of course assumes we don't pull off some sort of miraculous poaching of a school from the Big 12...which seems somewhere between impossible and outrageous.

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I could go with that list except I would put UNLV at #1. Cal and Stanford are irrelevant because they aren't coming back. Certainly not in time to meet our grace period deadline.

Flatlandcoug said:

The most interesting thing about that predictor is that it assumes pretty strongly that WSU will host a first round CFP game if we run the table. I got #5 or #6 seed with multiple iterations. #10 or #11 seed with one loss.

The funniest thing about this predictor is that it is suggesting that Boise State would finish #4 if they win out and that ends up leaving the Big 12 with no teams because only the top four champions are guaranteed a spot.

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The top 5 conferences get automatic bids. Wake up please....

Loyal Coug1 said:

Ok, nothing groundbreaking today except that the Six-Pac meets this week (tomorrow), apparently to discuss next steps in expansion. Here's my thoughts:

• Ole Miss and 2025 schedule. It has been quiet for WSU on the scheduling front. If Teresa/Anne can cobble something decent together, I will rescind my negative opinion of them. Somewhat. Wake Forest dropped the Ole Miss away game in favor of an away-and-home with Oregon State, which WF said was more lucrative. Not sue how visiting OSU is more lucrative than going to Ole Miss, but hey. So WSU should be talking about going to Oxford as a replacement game. With 3 home games so far, I think WSU will be lucky to land 5 total. If we have to play two FCS teams (already have Idaho) that will suck, but I see it coming
• Memphis and Tulane. I don't want them. Too far away, and don't tell me they are a better catch than UNLV. Plus, I can't stand the thought of Mik rubbing my nose in it for ridiculing his notion of luring them in for months. But all the chatter is about them this week
• UNLV and AF. This is the no-brainer to get to 8 teams. Especially UNLV. There must be something going on behind the scenes here. They are smack dab in the middle of the Six-Pac. How can we possibly not get them on board? But IMHO that means getting another MW team. I don't see any of these Eastern prospects (T/M or the Texas possibilities) coming alone. So get UNLV and if AF won't come, then Wyoming or whoever. One bottom feeder won't kill us. More important to get to 8, take a breath, get the 2025 schedule hammered out and consider other schools at our leisure. But UNLV is a must have, even if it means taking Reno too.

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Air Force doesn't do anything for us. They have few viewers in a market that CSU already has us in. They're a pain in the ass to play, too. They won't be a player in NIL and aren't a huge recruiting competitor, but those are minor positives.

I'm with you on Memphis and Tulane, they're too removed for too little return. Neither has very strong viewership (although to be fair, the 4 teams that we've already pulled aren't great on viewership either). They're in the #50 and #52 media markets, which puts them on par with Fresno-Visalia and Albuquerque.

UNLV (#40 market) seems like a no-brainer, unless they've attached themselves to Reno (#102....right behind Tri-Cities). UTSA is #31. UNLV & UTSA had nearly identical viewership last year. Just ahead of them in viewers, but in the #10 market is SJSU.

Yes, SJSU is a commuter school that we don't have much respect for...but they're in the Bay, along with a lot of TVs. We can't ignore that. Fresno and SDSU give us a piece of SoCal, it would be really good to have some NorCal too. I really think that the first right of refusal goes to Cal and Stanford, but if (when) they decline, we need to consider SJSU. On the plus side, it's an extremely likely win every year.

I think it's also worth consolidating the programs in the west to get a pretty solid grip on the teams that anyone watches in the mid to late time slots.

To me, the list looks like this:

1. Cal
2. Stanford (slightly behind because I think they're less likely to accept and more likely to threaten to leave every year)
3. UNLV
4. SJSU
5. UTSA
6. Wyoming
7. After that, everyone just blends together into an unattractive mess.

This of course assumes we don't pull off some sort of miraculous poaching of a school from the Big 12...which seems somewhere between impossible and outrageous.

moondawgie said:

Whoa, I thought this game was dead to you all so didn't bother checking in since no one was going to watch it. Nice close win over the unranked, completely new coaching staff, completely new player personnel UW, definitely an instant classic.

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So do they send out an email to all you mutt fans after a loss?
You know, one that says "Remember, we NEVER get beat by a better team. It's always due to our own mistakes and in this case.... (See moondawgie response above)

Market size matters. That's why, unfortunately, Wyoming isn't going to be considered.

Coug90 said:

He’s somewhere between lifelong contract extension and back a moving truck up to his house.

I don't think just his W/L record reflects as his value as a coach. Look at how he interacts with his team and the fans. Great energy, well spoken, and for a few rare exceptions so far, his teams come to play and compete every week. I’d rather have Dickert than a lot of coaches at other P5s (Brian Kelly anyone?).

He’s in a position where all you can do is speculate now but I’d bet if he stayed 10+ years he’d end up on our Mr Rushmore of our coaches. 3 years and change we are starting to get an idea and the trajectory points up.

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Agree completely that he is a great fit for the Cougs. The big question is whether or not the six game losing streak last year was just a freak thing or not. Another six game losing streak and we need to start being honest with ourselves. That said, I don't see another streak like that anytime soon.

Flatlandcoug said:

Right now...he's a guy we need to keep because he's been moderately successful. Until we have at least 10 wins in a season...he's not even in the same conversation as those guys. And frankly, because of our schedule this year, his status will depend on how we play in our bowl game/CFP game if those happen.

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He is already ahead of both Price's, Leach's early year Trajectory, tho Leach had to deal with Paul Wulf DUMPSTER FIRE.

Price in the early years, even tho he started 6-5, the table was laid, set for him by Dennis Erickson. After 6-5, he had 1 good season out of every 3 seasons, and the other 2 seasons out of 3 seasons, he was 3-8. That 1 good season out of 3 seasons, and 2 3-8 seasons out of 3 seasons, happened until 2000-2003(Price gets partial credit for 2003)

Leach was 3-9 2 out of first 3 years.

Dickert went about 3-2, 4-2, when took over for Rolo, got a AC semi blow out win.

Then went 4-0, 5-7, 3 point AC loss.

And 3-0, AC win this season.

So far Dickert has had better early WSU career years, then both Price, Leach, and so far on a higher projected, extrapolated trajectory, path, etc, then Price, Leach.

That could, semi maybe would change, but based on WSU Dickert's WSU RECORD 70 on PSU, Semi blowing out dominating a 66-21 TT, and beating UW, going 3-0, it's likely that Dickert finishes at least 10-3 at worst, which will put him way ahead of Price, Leach, in first 3 seasons, years comparison wise.

Coug90 said:

We can do this because we are fans…players…go 1-0 on Friday night please.

But…this is pretty cool, I’ve never played with it before. According to ESPNs playoff predictor we have the highest probability of any P4 team. Their computer has us making the playoffs even if we lost a game to FSU, BSU or OSU. And if we ran the table being a 5 seed. Now that I’ve jinxed us, enjoy the rest of your day.

Who will make the expanded 12-team College Football Playoff?

Select your favorite contender, make your picks for how its season will play out and see what the Allstate Playoff Predictor foretells.

www.espn.com

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The most interesting thing about that predictor is that it assumes pretty strongly that WSU will host a first round CFP game if we run the table. I got #5 or #6 seed with multiple iterations. #10 or #11 seed with one loss.

The funniest thing about this predictor is that it is suggesting that Boise State would finish #4 if they win out and that ends up leaving the Big 12 with no teams because only the top four champions are guaranteed a spot.

Stretch 74 said:

Of course you didn't. Only strongly implicated.

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I would NEVER....

Flatlandcoug said:

Right now...he's a guy we need to keep because he's been moderately successful. Until we have at least 10 wins in a season...he's not even in the same conversation as those guys. And frankly, because of our schedule this year, his status will depend on how we play in our bowl game/CFP game if those happen.

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He’s somewhere between lifelong contract extension and back a moving truck up to his house.

I don't think just his W/L record reflects as his value as a coach. Look at how he interacts with his team and the fans. Great energy, well spoken, and for a few rare exceptions so far, his teams come to play and compete every week. I’d rather have Dickert than a lot of coaches at other P5s (Brian Kelly anyone?).

He’s in a position where all you can do is speculate now but I’d bet if he stayed 10+ years he’d end up on our Mr Rushmore of our coaches. 3 years and change we are starting to get an idea and the trajectory points up.

CougPatrol said:

WSU is already scheduled to play on the weekend that Ole Miss needs to fill.

Tulane, Memphis, and UNLV should be the target additions. Air Force doesn't bring anything to the table in terms of market, and unfortunately, that's all that matters now.

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Not only that but militiary, govt rules, limits their budget, recruiting, makes it harder for recruits to get in, etc, and the only reason Airforce good now, in past is awesome coaching, that they are ultimate extremely lucky to have, as soon as lose that coach, and replace that coach with a likely coach that likely won't overcome the above problems, Airforce will be a bottom dwellers, that won't provide enough value, as much value as Memphis, Tulane, UTSA, UNLV, SMU, Cal, Rice.

Also AAC schools like Memphis, Tulane, UTSA, not only have more value, but they only cost $10 to $13 mil per College, which is way CHEAPER then the $15 mil poaching fee, + $18 mil exit fee for UNLV + the $15 mil poaching fee + $18 mil exit fee for BOTTOM DWELLER, NO VALUE NEVADA, THAT LIKELY TIED TO UNLV, for a total of $76 million for UNLV, Nevada, compared to only $10 mil to $13 mil for each of Memphis, Tulane, UTSA, that best of the G5 programs in USA, that have a lot of value, more value then UNLV, Airforce, Nevada, and that only cost a total of $30 mil to $39 mil, compared to the about 109 mil for UNLV, Airforce, Nevada.

Doesn't matter that Memphis, Tulane is in the borderline south midwest to just barely south western half of USA just barely, and semi far way.

All that matters is that Memphis, Tulane, BSU, Fresno St, SDSU, WSU, OSU, CSU, UNLV or UTSA, etc, will be, is, etc, the 5th best conference behind Big 10, SEC, Big 12, ACC, and a hybrid P5, G5 conference, or that become such a conference, that get about 13 mil to 15 mil to 17 mil to 19 mil to 21 mil per team, per year, that get about 5,6,7,8,9 mil from CFP after 2028. Where that PAC 8 champ goes to 12 team playoff 99 times, out of 100 over, instead of AAC champ, MWC Champ, MAAC champ, SUN Belt Champ, as long as PAC 8 champ 9-3, 10-2, 11-1, etc.

Also getting Memphis, Tulane, WEAKENS AAC, so that AAC champ won't goto CFP over PAC 8 champ.

MWC is already weakened, so if don't get UNLV, to weaken MWC further, MWC is weakened enough to where MWC champ won't goto CFP over PAC 8 champ.

Money, CFP, Better, best bowls, better, best bowl money, etc, is the only thing that affects SURVIVAL.

And SURVIVAL, MONEY, is the only thing that seems to matter in College Football.

Cougini5591 said:

I am saying this without disrespecting anyone, but would I have wanted Price forever? YES...without question.

Leach forever? YUP.

I in no way want to lose Dickert and we need to pony up to keep him.

But he's not Price or Leach to me.

Not yet anyway

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Right now...he's a guy we need to keep because he's been moderately successful. Until we have at least 10 wins in a season...he's not even in the same conversation as those guys. And frankly, because of our schedule this year, his status will depend on how we play in our bowl game/CFP game if those happen.

We need more 8th year seniors. Time for another pandemic.

Cougini5591 said:

I still say one of the greatest days EVER in Cougar history!

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To this day…worst 58 minutes of football I’ve ever watched followed by best two minutes of football I’ve ever watched.

I am saying this without disrespecting anyone, but would I have wanted Price forever? YES...without question.

Leach forever? YUP.

I in no way want to lose Dickert and we need to pony up to keep him.

But he's not Price or Leach to me.

Not yet anyway

KRUSTYtheCOUG said:

Sound like associations and clubs.

I never said YOU were in a cult. Taihtsat

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Of course you didn't. Only strongly implicated.

Stretch 74 said:

Nowhere near as classic as 0-12!

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I still say one of the greatest days EVER in Cougar history!

Good News my post on Die Hard Cougs got 18 likes, and a Lady sent me a facebook messenger message, said that her Husband, Son, and herself are going to the game, and that they probably would be able to give me a ride, and She is going to check with her Husband, and then get back to me.