Meister_Rebel said:

UNLV and AF looking to stay in the MWC. $25-30 million dollar signing bonus. Sold ourselves for some pieces of silver. It was nice knowing you guys.

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Can you keep your QB now?

Coug90 said:

We are talking about two different seasons. He was a 5th rounder at best last year, which is why he took NIL money and came back.

Doesn’t matter if he was one of the hottest NIL names, he wasn’t going high in the draft last year scoring 6 points against Arizona.

He’s cleaned a lot up and helps that he has a good OLine and running game to take some pressure off. If he continues to play well, yeah he may be a first rounder.

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And then he’ll go to a team with a bad OL and now running game, and he’ll be the 2025 version of Caleb Williams.

Loyal Coug1 said:

Texas State from the Sun Belt? Oh yeah, let's do that. And WTF are you referring to - "great decision by the P12"? What decision?

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We didn’t waver on UNLVs exit fee. They were going to pay most of it or they weren’t getting an offer. That’s a good business decision.

Meister_Rebel said:

UNLV and AF looking to stay in the MWC. $25-30 million dollar signing bonus. Sold ourselves for some pieces of silver. It was nice knowing you guys.

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This could backfire on MWC, if MWC loses the lawsuit, doesn't get poaching penalties.

And even if they do get poaching penalties, and do get 25-30 mil, that money will be gone, spent quickly, and then only get about 6.5 mil per team per year for new media deal for weakened MWC.

And they would miss out on about 11 mil to 18 mil per team per year from PAC 8, and miss out on 5,6,7 mil per year divided 8 ways from CFP, in 2028, and miss out on better bowls, better bowl money, and won't goto CFP as MWC champ.

Over the long term, they would probably get about 50 mil to 75 mil to 100 mil to 125 mil over the LONG TERM from PAC 8, compared to the 25-30 mil + 6.5 mil MWC media money for about 43-50-63 mil over the long term from MWC.

Worse money, Worse bowls, Worse CFP, etc, over the long term by staying in MWC, for VERY SHORT TERM pay off.

Oh Well, PAC 8, will just get Rice, or Texas St, or North Texas, or Liberty, which are very almost very just as good as UNLV, Airforce, and probably cost less, then UNLV or Airforce.

The Joint UNLV, Nevada board of Regents are probably behind, the reason for the UNLV stupidity.

Sorry Rebel Meister, would have been nice to have UNLV, you as fans in PAC 8

Take it out on your stupid Board of Regents.

Not sad about UNLV staying in the MW. And as it's been mentioned on this board, not much of a fan base there in LV.

I don't know much about Texas State... other than it is between San Antonio and Austin-- Could be nice for away games.

CougPatrol said:

Great decision by the P12. No way were they worth $25M to join. We already poached their best programs. Add Texas St. and be done for this wave.

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Texas State from the Sun Belt? Oh yeah, let's do that. And WTF are you referring to - "great decision by the P12"? What decision?

Dave_86 said:

Cazano and Wilner just came out with this 40 minute long PAC-12 realignment podcast about 4 or 5 hours ago.

Cazano and Wilner talk...

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Can you please waste 40 minutes of your life listening to these hacks and post a crib notes version of it? Thank you in advance.

Great decision by the P12. No way were they worth $25M to join. We already poached their best programs. Add Texas St. and be done for this wave.

Cazano and Wilner just came out with this 40 minute long PAC-12 realignment podcast about 4 or 5 hours ago.

Cazano and Wilner talk...

Loyal Coug1 said:

You suck Meister. I was holding this back so that I could ridicule this board later. Although this guy is a heack who doesn't know shit. We shall have a chat on your board.

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Well, you're missing the fun as we explode over this news.

Meister_Rebel said:

UNLV and AF looking to stay in the MWC. $25-30 million dollar signing bonus. Sold ourselves for some pieces of silver. It was nice knowing you guys.

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You suck Meister. I was holding this back so that I could ridicule this board later. Although this guy is a heack who doesn't know shit. We shall have a chat on your board.

Dave_86 said:

Shrewd? Okay, fine, say that if you must.

But after all the money (donations and season tickets) I spent on Oregon State sports for decades, it would have been completely unacceptable for Oregon State to agree to the reverse merger Gloria Nevarez wanted, especially given the terms of the MWC/PAC-12 football scheduling agreement. A reverse merger would have meant the end of my support. And probably a whole lot of other Beaver fans, too.

Gloria Nevarez, a shrewd business woman. Sure. She shrewdly did a great job of pi$$ing a lot of us off.

Now the great Gloria Nevarez will demonstrate her greatness by rebuilding her conference.

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Um, the reverse merger would have preserved the Pac 12. Who says Gloria wanted it, unless we promised that she would be the Commissioner? Your wires are crossed. All this BS about us not wanting the MW cellar dwellars. Well, who will round out the Pac 8? Sacramento State? I dunno, maybe Idaho? Word is that UNLV is giving us the finger.

Why would a reverse merger ended all of OSU's support? Because you are too good for those lower life programs? Don't forget that OSU is the undisputed bottom dweller of the Pac-8/1-/12 in FB.

Loyal Coug1 said:

Yeah, so what? Gloria is a shrewd business woman, looking out for her conference.

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Shrewd? Okay, fine, say that if you must.

But after all the money (donations and season tickets) I spent on Oregon State sports for decades, it would have been completely unacceptable for Oregon State to agree to the reverse merger Gloria Nevarez wanted, especially given the terms of the MWC/PAC-12 football scheduling agreement. A reverse merger would have meant the end of my support. And probably a whole lot of other Beaver fans, too.

Gloria Nevarez, a shrewd business woman. Sure. She shrewdly did a great job of pi$$ing a lot of us off.

Now the great Gloria Nevarez will demonstrate her greatness by rebuilding her conference.

UberCougars said:

Disagree.

Ward was one of the hottest NIL names in football at the end of last year.

He is currently #1 in Heisman projections. It’s crystal clear he has NFL measurables.

If his season continues on its current path he will be a high #1 NFL draft pick

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We are talking about two different seasons. He was a 5th rounder at best last year, which is why he took NIL money and came back.

Doesn’t matter if he was one of the hottest NIL names, he wasn’t going high in the draft last year scoring 6 points against Arizona.

He’s cleaned a lot up and helps that he has a good OLine and running game to take some pressure off. If he continues to play well, yeah he may be a first rounder.

UNLV and AF looking to stay in the MWC. $25-30 million dollar signing bonus. Sold ourselves for some pieces of silver. It was nice knowing you guys.

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Loyal Coug1 said:

Yeah, so what? Gloria is a shrewd business woman, looking out for her conference. Quackkoff was over his head, as is Teresa. Speaking of which, Teresa cares about herself keeping a job - which is why we are in such a F-ed position right now. That said, I agree the terms suck(ed). Don't forget no TV money for the away games, no chance to compete for the conference title, etc. Another example of why Teresa needs to be fired, we need to go hat in hand and resurrect the reverse merger and install Gloria as our Commissioner. Pretty f-ing simple. Or we go get Sac. St as our 8th member and call it a day.

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Is she? Her conference is falling apart. What is shrewd about that? It seems to me that she overplayed her hand.

Dave_86 said:

Coug1990, I've had similar thoughts.

When my OSU Beavers go on the road to play football at places like Michigan, Ohio State, and LSU, we get PAID $1M to $1.5M by the home team. (Never heard of getting $2M for one of those games...)

When the Beavers host Idaho State, Portland State, Sacramento State, etc, for a football game, we pay them around $300K to $500K for their visit.

The PAC-12 is paying the Mountain West $14M for 12 games this season, 6 home and 6 away. Neither the Beavers or the Cougars are getting paid for visiting their stadiums (for the 6 road games that are part of the 2024 scheduling agreement).

For the Cougars' $7M, the Cougars get home games with Hawaii, Utah State, and Wyoming. Oh, baby, what a schedule.

For the Beaver' $7M, the Beavers get home games with UNLV, Colorado State, and San Jose State. Arguably a better group of teams than the Cougars', but not worth $7M.

For $14M, the PAC-12 did not get a visit from the MWC's best brands, Boise State, Fresno State, or SDSU.

MWC commissioner Gloria Nevarez did not try to partner with the PAC-12 on this scheduling agreement. Rather, she knew we didn't have a realistic second option, so she took full advantage of us.

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Yep, they were taking advantage of the two schools and also acting like they were doing this out of the kindness of their heart. The MWC could have with the two schools and tried to have a fair outcome for all sports. Instead, we had to go to the WCC for our other sports because they were reasonable.

It is a great point you make about not getting paid for the away games. If you have a home and home, then the home team gets what they make. In this situation, the MWC is getting paid whether they are hosting or visiting. It's ridiculous.

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Coug1990, I've had similar thoughts.

When my OSU Beavers go on the road to play football at places like Michigan, Ohio State, and LSU, we get PAID $1M to $1.5M by the home team. (Never heard of getting $2M for one of those games...)

When the Beavers host Idaho State, Portland State, Sacramento State, etc, for a football game, we pay them around $300K to $500K for their visit.

The PAC-12 is paying the Mountain West $14M for 12 games this season, 6 home and 6 away. Neither the Beavers or the Cougars are getting paid for visiting their stadiums (for the 6 road games that are part of the 2024 scheduling agreement).

For the Cougars' $7M, the Cougars get home games with Hawaii, Utah State, and Wyoming. Oh, baby, what a schedule.

For the Beaver' $7M, the Beavers get home games with UNLV, Colorado State, and San Jose State. Arguably a better group of teams than the Cougars', but not worth $7M.

For $14M, the PAC-12 did not get a visit from the MWC's best brands, Boise State, Fresno State, or SDSU.

MWC commissioner Gloria Nevarez did not try to partner with the PAC-12 on this scheduling agreement. Rather, she knew we didn't have a realistic second option, so she took full advantage of us.

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Yeah, so what? Gloria is a shrewd business woman, looking out for her conference. Quackkoff was over his head, as is Teresa. Speaking of which, Teresa cares about herself keeping a job - which is why we are in such a F-ed position right now. That said, I agree the terms suck(ed). Don't forget no TV money for the away games, no chance to compete for the conference title, etc. Another example of why Teresa needs to be fired, we need to go hat in hand and resurrect the reverse merger and install Gloria as our Commissioner. Pretty f-ing simple. Or we go get Sac. St as our 8th member and call it a day.

dgibbons said:

One year deal with an option to extend,

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No Gibby, that wasn't the point. Yes the Year 2 option was in the agreement (the copy I have keeps blurring out on me so I can't get to that part). Meister thinks it was another $12M. The linked CBS article says it was $14M. I swear when I had the F-ing agreement in my paws it was $10M. So the question (and point) is how did that mutate into the reported $30M? And why? Only Gloria knows. I may have to traipse down to Colorado Springs (have I ever mentioned I was born there?) and ask her over a few drinks.


To Meister - I don't know if the Pac (Teresa) balked or the MW (Gloria) balked. Maybe we did and Gloria said F-you it's $30M. Let's keep in mind that these are two probably menopausal women cat fighting. Speaking of cats, I researched and can't find evidence that either of them has kids. So they may very well be menopausal childless cat ladies fighting over our conference futures. I suggest a cage match, or perhaps a jello wrestling faceoff.

Coug1990 said:

I don't feel sorry for the MWC at all. They knew they had us over a barrel before this season because we needed games in a hurry. So, they overcharged us. They tried to do the same thing in the other sports, but we had more time to make other arrangements. They even tried to gouge us even more by doubling the amount they were charging for the 2025 schedule, and we said no.

Did you notice that all of our tough and money making conference games are on the road? It is not a coincidence.

Instead of trying to work with the Pac 12 for some sort of partnership, the MWC leadership tried to use us as an ATM. They were just as greedy as the huskies, Ducks, etc. The MWC overplayed their hand. I repeat, I don't feel sorry for them at all.

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Coug1990, I've had similar thoughts.

When my OSU Beavers go on the road to play football at places like Michigan, Ohio State, and LSU, we get PAID $1M to $1.5M by the home team. (Never heard of getting $2M for one of those games...)

When the Beavers host Idaho State, Portland State, Sacramento State, etc, for a football game, we pay them around $300K to $500K for their visit.

The PAC-12 is paying the Mountain West $14M for 12 games this season, 6 home and 6 away. Neither the Beavers or the Cougars are getting paid for visiting their stadiums (for the 6 road games that are part of the 2024 scheduling agreement).

For the Cougars' $7M, the Cougars get home games with Hawaii, Utah State, and Wyoming. Oh, baby, what a schedule.

For the Beaver' $7M, the Beavers get home games with UNLV, Colorado State, and San Jose State. Arguably a better group of teams than the Cougars', but not worth $7M.

For $14M, the PAC-12 did not get a visit from the MWC's best brands, Boise State, Fresno State, or SDSU.

MWC commissioner Gloria Nevarez did not try to partner with the PAC-12 on this scheduling agreement. Rather, she knew we didn't have a realistic second option, so she took full advantage of us.

mikalalas said:

Rice, Texas St, North Texas, Liberty(12-0, G5 champ), James Madison(JMU(G5 champ), Apalachian St(beats michigan types), NDSU the best of the best FCS last 50 years, that beats FBS, P4,5 on semi reg basis, that should be at the G5 level, instead of FCS. South Dakotah St, the same as NDSU, Gonzaga, St Mary(The 8 teams in the conference thing, does not mean that all 8 conference members have to be football, so having 1 of the 8 be a bball only, if can't get a good 8th football college, wouldn't be bad, and would be good.

There are talks going on between Gonzaga, St Mary's to potentially add them to PAC 8.

There are plenty of good options.

But that's IF IF PAC 7 does not get UNLV, or Airforce.

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Well Mik. My question was not directed to you. That said:

You are wrong (what a surpise) about all 8 FBS conference members not having to sponsor football. I hate to quote Wikipedia, but they do provide useful info. This is all about being an FBS conference. To qualify, among other things, you have to have 8 Football-playing members.


To go on, Dakota is not spelled Dakotah. For about the 10th time. We aren't getting any AAC teams. Do you even know where James Madison and Liberty are located? Hint - Virginia. Yeah they are logical candidates. But yeah your remaining list of a Sun Belt and 3 FCS teams will certainly qualify us as your "hyprid G5/P4 conference", and the relative ease of convenient travel will solve our budget woes.

Didn't I suggest that you just shut up for a while? Leave the commentary to the - what did you call me? - idiotic and something - posters.

Meister_Rebel said:

What I don't get is that all the Scheduling Agreement needed was a signature from the Pac-12 for the 2nd year. I won't get into the original terms we all know what they are and both parties originally approved it. My understanding was that instead of signing for the 2nd year which would have been $12 million, (less than the first year's $14 million because the Administrative fee of $2 million covered both years), was the Pac-2 wanted to renegotiate. Something happened in those negotiations that created friction. There was even a quote from Theresa Gould that she and Gloria were playing phone tag or something to that effect. I remember when I heard that I was thinking what a dumb thing to say as professional conference leaders. I mean if you don't know how to schedule conference calls or meetings then you are ****ed up. At that time I felt that something was up between those two. I thought they don't like each other. Where that $30 million dollar figure came from I don't know. Everything was going well even when the MWC accepted the affiliate membership of your baseball and swim teams. That was in April. No dollars were discussed over that that I know of. Why did things just turn and get nasty in the next 4 months.

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One year deal with an option to extend,

Coug90 said:

Completely disagree. After last year there was no guarantee cam Ward was going to be anything more than a training camp arm on an nfl roster. When you have a chance to make the kind of money you would make as a third round draft pick to play another year in college you’ve got to take it…life changing money and there’s zero guarantee his game will translate to the nfl and he will make any significant money in the pros? Yeah, thats a no brainer.

It sucks that college football has turned into this but I can’t blame Cam for his decision.

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Disagree.

Ward was one of the hottest NIL names in football at the end of last year.

He is currently #1 in Heisman projections. It’s crystal clear he has NFL measurables.

If his season continues on its current path he will be a high #1 NFL draft pick

Coug90 said:

Completely disagree. After last year there was no guarantee cam Ward was going to be anything more than a training camp arm on an nfl roster. When you have a chance to make the kind of money you would make as a third round draft pick to play another year in college you’ve got to take it…life changing money and there’s zero guarantee his game will translate to the nfl and he will make any significant money in the pros? Yeah, thats a no brainer.

It sucks that college football has turned into this but I can’t blame Cam for his decision.

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I don't blame him for leaving and I'm not mad at all. But, selfishly, as a Cougar football fan, I can't root for him because his success provides no benefit to WSU. I won't hate it if he does well....but I'm not celebrating it.

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Nice statement by UNLV. “We gave him what we promised, and then he came back for more. We said no.”