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Sagarin rankings UW (33) vs. Cougs (35)...

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BleedCrimsonandGray said:
We do the same thing to them, I think.

Stack the box and make the qb earn it. He's not so great is my understanding.
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He’s been efficient but he’s not a threat to run and throws underneath a lot. Can definitely be death by 1000 papercuts if we aren’t getting pressure. Good thing is he’s an air raid QB and our defenders are used to that system and route concepts.
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Sagarin rankings UW (33) vs. Cougs (35)...

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ttowncoug said:
Agree, if they use a spy on Mateer, running backs could really have a big game.

I haven't watched any of the Husky games, but according to the computers, this game should be pretty evenly matched.
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I haven’t either but their defense appears to have been pretty dominant. Eastern Michigan couldn’t do much of anything. Weber state ran it pretty effectively but their QB couldn’t throw it. I haven’t watched a down of their games but I’d guess this is by far the toughest challenge considering the threat of pass and run. Perhaps that was part of the plan these first two weeks was to show the full array of how we can attack. It’s going to make for a helluva tough defensive game planning week for UW. Quite the contrast to what they’ve had to do in the past.
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Sagarin rankings UW (33) vs. Cougs (35)...

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cr8zyncalif said:
Using a spy is a double edged sword. Yes, it is probably necessary after what Mateer did last week. But it ties up a safety or LB (usually a LB). That means the LB can't blitz and is only available to help when we run right up the middle, do a screen middle, or do a shallow slant pattern. If they come in with a 3 man front and a spy, we should be able to get 3-4 ypc almost automatically. If they show spy but occasionally use him to blitz, it will be risky. A lot of it depends upon how well the O line and RB pick up the blitz. Assignment responsibility will be crucial. And one thing we did not show last week was a RB holding to block and then swinging out for a dump pass late. I'd bet money that we see that this week.
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If they rush 3,4 with a Spy, and drop 6,7 back, WSU will do 2 things to counter that.

1. RB's will have a field day gashing them all day long for 4, 4.5, 5, 5.5,6 yards per carry, all day long, and Parker, etc, will have 2,3, BIG PLAY, GAINS.

2. Schlenbaker, Pulasi, TE, O Line all combined together will counter, block, kick out, deal with, etc, the spy, for John Mateer, and John Mateer will still gash them for 7, 7.5, 8, 8.5, 9, 9.5 yards, per carry and still will have 2,3,4,5 big run plays

WSU, John Mateer, RB's will successfully do that so much so that if UW then puts 5,6,7,8 in the Box, then Mateer will torch them thru the air.

The key will be RECOGNITION, by John Mateer, and the Coaching staff, and John Mateer, O Line, RB's, TE, WR's, offense EXECUTING at a HIGH level.
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Pac-12, Mountain West ‘too far apart’ as negotiations over 2025 scheduling partnership break down

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cr8zyncalif said:
Personally, the high point of the article for me was the analogy of being left on the helipad in the Saigon bug out.

Something that I have heard is going on in the background is an effort to get an extension on our 2 year deadline...putting it past the Aug 1, 2027 date. Prob not a lot of chance of that happening, but it would certainly introduce another dynamic.

The $65 mil from the PAC money would negate the penalty for 6 MW teams. That gets the league to 8. The question as to whether a team would pony up $20 mil to come along for the ride is not as big an obstacle as it first appears...the media revenue noted above is the biggest part of the financial picture, but not the ONLY part. The biggest variable as I see it is the appetite of the networks that do not have college football to pick up a reorganized PAC. The success level of CW this season is going to play a role in that, but there are also other things going on in the media world right now that will play a role. I'll throw out one, since I've heard it said here in LA more than once this year...what happens if Netflix decides it wants to add college football (one of my partners actually heard that said within Netflix's building)? And that is only one scenario that is completely out of our control.

IF I were handicapping, my order of likelihood would be as follows:

1.) Reorganized PAC, with the majority of the added 6 coming from the MWC (but potentially one or two from out of the MWC). I think this is the most likely option if the CW does well this fall with our games, because either the CW or another network will see the opportunity.
2.) Something relating to the ACC. That could happen in a lot of forms, and it all hinges on whether FSU, et al, can get loose.
3.) Full reverse merger with all MWC teams....with some sort of "perform or get out" clause for the new PAC. This is the easiest to see coming as the fallback position.
4.) B12 decides to take us. That will happen only if a network wants it. At this point I don't see that happening.
5.) We get an extension to our 2 year grace period and kick the can down the road. I don't see this happening, but I rule nothing out, except:
6.) What WILL NOT happen: independent or us moving into the MWC. The PAC brand will not be dropped. Before that would happen, either #1 or #3 above will happen.
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Pretty much disagree with your entire post.
For starters, the 2-year NCAA grace period expires August 1, 2026, not 2027. You are confusing it with the poaching expiration date.
Next, we are already spending the $65M you refer to. It will be gone by the end of this year. Yes much more money is on the way to replace it, money we will need the next year. And you are nuts if you think the MW teams will pony up another $20M each in exit fees on a lark.
Next, what makes you or anyone else thing that this mystical Pac-8 will get a good media deal? Still G5 (G6 if it happens), basically a smaller MW conference.

The only realistic options in your analysis are # 2 and #6. But keep on dreaming.......
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AC week....Dickert Presser...good stuff...

M-I-Coug
I like how he let's Mateer do his own thing, use his instincts, and does CJD not micro manage.

Crazy that he doesn't insist Mateer to slide to avoid injury. Crazy that Mateer bulldozes as a running back, with no slide. Again, no micro-manage here. Let the guy perform his natural ability and instincts.

"Dickert said after beating TTU that "This isn't a statement win. WSU has competed at the highest level forever. We beat another team at the highest level, that's all. We've done that hundreds of times."
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Sagarin rankings UW (33) vs. Cougs (35)...

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cr8zyncalif said:
Using a spy is a double edged sword. Yes, it is probably necessary after what Mateer did last week. But it ties up a safety or LB (usually a LB). That means the LB can't blitz and is only available to help when we run right up the middle, do a screen middle, or do a shallow slant pattern. If they come in with a 3 man front and a spy, we should be able to get 3-4 ypc almost automatically. If they show spy but occasionally use him to blitz, it will be risky. A lot of it depends upon how well the O line and RB pick up the blitz. Assignment responsibility will be crucial. And one thing we did not show last week was a RB holding to block and then swinging out for a dump pass late. I'd bet money that we see that this week.
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Agree, if they use a spy on Mateer, running backs could really have a big game.

I haven't watched any of the Husky games, but according to the computers, this game should be pretty evenly matched.
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Pac-12, Mountain West ‘too far apart’ as negotiations over 2025 scheduling partnership break down

cr8zyncalif
Personally, the high point of the article for me was the analogy of being left on the helipad in the Saigon bug out.

Something that I have heard is going on in the background is an effort to get an extension on our 2 year deadline...putting it past the Aug 1, 2027 date. Prob not a lot of chance of that happening, but it would certainly introduce another dynamic.

The $65 mil from the PAC money would negate the penalty for 6 MW teams. That gets the league to 8. The question as to whether a team would pony up $20 mil to come along for the ride is not as big an obstacle as it first appears...the media revenue noted above is the biggest part of the financial picture, but not the ONLY part. The biggest variable as I see it is the appetite of the networks that do not have college football to pick up a reorganized PAC. The success level of CW this season is going to play a role in that, but there are also other things going on in the media world right now that will play a role. I'll throw out one, since I've heard it said here in LA more than once this year...what happens if Netflix decides it wants to add college football (one of my partners actually heard that said within Netflix's building)? And that is only one scenario that is completely out of our control.

IF I were handicapping, my order of likelihood would be as follows:

1.) Reorganized PAC, with the majority of the added 6 coming from the MWC (but potentially one or two from out of the MWC). I think this is the most likely option if the CW does well this fall with our games, because either the CW or another network will see the opportunity.
2.) Something relating to the ACC. That could happen in a lot of forms, and it all hinges on whether FSU, et al, can get loose.
3.) Full reverse merger with all MWC teams....with some sort of "perform or get out" clause for the new PAC. This is the easiest to see coming as the fallback position.
4.) B12 decides to take us. That will happen only if a network wants it. At this point I don't see that happening.
5.) We get an extension to our 2 year grace period and kick the can down the road. I don't see this happening, but I rule nothing out, except:
6.) What WILL NOT happen: independent or us moving into the MWC. The PAC brand will not be dropped. Before that would happen, either #1 or #3 above will happen.
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Pac-12, Mountain West ‘too far apart’ as negotiations over 2025 scheduling partnership break down

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Meister_Rebel said:
The article said something that I thought was wrong. I thought the poach penalty (Withdrawal Fees) ended August 1, 2025 because they did not extend the scheduling agreement for the second year. In studying the Agreement I was wrong and they were right. Article 7 does say that the withdrawal fees do apply for 2 years following the termination of the Agreement.

Holy shyt. The Pac2 are screwed if they try to take any of the MWC schools earlier than the August 1. 2027 date.
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Held over a barrel to get a schedule for 2025.
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Sagarin rankings UW (33) vs. Cougs (35)...

cr8zyncalif
Using a spy is a double edged sword. Yes, it is probably necessary after what Mateer did last week. But it ties up a safety or LB (usually a LB). That means the LB can't blitz and is only available to help when we run right up the middle, do a screen middle, or do a shallow slant pattern. If they come in with a 3 man front and a spy, we should be able to get 3-4 ypc almost automatically. If they show spy but occasionally use him to blitz, it will be risky. A lot of it depends upon how well the O line and RB pick up the blitz. Assignment responsibility will be crucial. And one thing we did not show last week was a RB holding to block and then swinging out for a dump pass late. I'd bet money that we see that this week.
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Sagarin rankings UW (33) vs. Cougs (35)...

BleedCrimsonandGray
95coug said:
That’s what I’d do after last week. Set a safety as a spy and don’t let Mateer get free. Blitz mostly from the edges and try to keep him in the pocket, force him to throw. See if he can beat you with his arm.

On the other side, same as always. Run it between the tackles and wear down our middle, especially at LB where we have no depth. PSU and TT both showed that we’re soft in the middle. When we start playing DBs tight for run support, throw it behind them.
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We do the same thing to them, I think.

Stack the box and make the qb earn it. He's not so great is my understanding.
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Sagarin rankings UW (33) vs. Cougs (35)...

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BleedCrimsonandGray said:
If they are smart they just assign a spy and make the Cougs earn it though the air. And of course they'll hold our WRs on every route and not get called on it.

Could get ugly if WSU WRs don't do their job and catch the ball.
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That’s what I’d do after last week. Set a safety as a spy and don’t let Mateer get free. Blitz mostly from the edges and try to keep him in the pocket, force him to throw. See if he can beat you with his arm.

On the other side, same as always. Run it between the tackles and wear down our middle, especially at LB where we have no depth. PSU and TT both showed that we’re soft in the middle. When we start playing DBs tight for run support, throw it behind them.
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Pac-12, Mountain West ‘too far apart’ as negotiations over 2025 scheduling partnership break down

BleedCrimsonandGray
Loyal Coug1 said:
Replying to myself here. Two (oops 5) quick takeways from the article (although I have many, including why no picture of Gloria :):

  • A source sez the Big-12 recently gave us a "hard no"
  • Nice recap of the costs of poaching MW schools. A ridiculous scenario, money-wise, for us and them
  • No to 9 MW schools dissolving the conference
  • ACC is not going anywhere anytime soon, if ever
  • And most importantly (since the Mighty Loyal has said the exact same thing in his infinite wisdom) the MW is "modeling ways to create minimum budget levels to elevate the bottom levels of the conference with the threat of expulsion if they don’t meet them." My foresight and brilliance sometimes blinds me
But keep it up, Cougs, and let us fall into oblivion. Funny that with all of our fantastic leaders (Teresa, Scott and Anne aka the 3 stooges) we have to hire a consultant to help us craft a 2025 schedule. F-ing really?
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Wonder if WSU would meet the budget basement or not with current spending?
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Pac-12, Mountain West ‘too far apart’ as negotiations over 2025 scheduling partnership break down

Loyal Coug1
Meister_Rebel said:
The article said something that I thought was wrong. I thought the poach penalty (Withdrawal Fees) ended August 1, 2025 because they did not extend the scheduling agreement for the second year. In studying the Agreement I was wrong and they were right. Article 7 does say that the withdrawal fees do apply for 2 years following the termination of the Agreement.

Holy shyt. The Pac2 are screwed if they try to take any of the MWC schools earlier than the August 1. 2027 date.
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I kind of glossed over that. Thanks for confirming it with the actual document. I had it but it and all my other links got deleted when I was out of town and my dog-watching buddy got on my computer and went places he should not have. :(
And yeah, this is major.
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Pac-12, Mountain West ‘too far apart’ as negotiations over 2025 scheduling partnership break down

Loyal Coug1
Flatlandcoug said:
I know that you hate the stress of not knowing what's going to happen, but the reality is that the deal that the MWC is willing to give us to join is ALWAYS going to be there. If it's not, that's because other teams are getting poached and at that point, it wouldn't matter if we were in the conference or not.
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What "deal" do you speak of? Did you read the article?
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Pac-12, Mountain West ‘too far apart’ as negotiations over 2025 scheduling partnership break down

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The article said something that I thought was wrong. I thought the poach penalty (Withdrawal Fees) ended August 1, 2025 because they did not extend the scheduling agreement for the second year. In studying the Agreement I was wrong and they were right. Article 7 does say that the withdrawal fees do apply for 2 years following the termination of the Agreement.

Holy shyt. The Pac2 are screwed if they try to take any of the MWC schools earlier than the August 1. 2027 date.
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Official & Unofficial game thread of Texas Tech at WSU

BleedCrimsonandGray
mikalalas said:
You do realize that if WSU beats UW, and or 4 out of 5 of Texas Tech, UW, BSU, Fresno St. SDSU, and goes 11-1, that WSU will get 1 of the 12 CFP spots, and might probably win the first round game before losing 2nd Round game to Georgia, etc.

In that way, sense, the UW game does have meaning, and WSU's chances of beating UW, is about 50.5%. And WSU's chances of going 11-1, going to CFP, if beat UW, is about 53% to 56% to 59% to 63% to 67%.
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Way too early to think WSU would be the top rated G5 team. Most of them are back east and the bias is real.
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Apple Cup - Traitorous version (vent thread) Predictions

BleedCrimsonandGray
Team will go as the passing game goes.

Its been a while since we've seen ineptness across the board in the WR corps. The inability to play pass and catch will doom this team going forward this season, so either they fix it or they won't.

Dollar seems to be a viable target. I would like to see a lot of RPO that involves Dollar running short and intermediate routes and JM using his legs when the mutts start cheating on it.

No pooch kicks.
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