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Even if we win the first 2, this week's is for 6 wins/offseason changes...

You started the season thinking 6 was pretty much a gimme. 7 and 8 were possible. We've certainly regressed.

Personally, in the offseason, I think:
- Breske goes. I think he recruits Eastern WA, because he's not a great recruiter. Getting a new DC will create a positive buzz amongst the program.

- Leach is given the "your contract isn't rolling over speech" Won't be with much fanfare. Leach is told he has 2 more left to get us back to a bowl game.

- You will see an all hand's on deck approach to recruiting....don't be shocked to see a few semester signees.

- We start to see a fair number of kids decide to pursue other options at end of semester....I think Leach really puts his eggs in the basket to be good next season (and most importantly) the season after.

- I hope, we get some more depth at kicker, even if it costs us a scholarship. See the above to free up space.

Is 2014 going into 2015 vastly different than 2011 going into 2012

Just in terms of hope, youth, QB play etc, was it all that different? The one area that I would say is different is I would take Cooper over Laurenzi, and probably Destiny over Rankin, plus there is more depth that has played along that defensive line.

I suppose we could debate Pippins White and Brown are vastly superior to Simmons, Horton and Washington, or that Lemora and Taylor T are better than Toomer and Buchanon. Not sure I would take that argument.

I like what I see with Falk. I think he could be a very effective QB here. But I also see growing pains, as we saw last Saturday. So for 2015 will we be able to score enough points to make up for our defensive miscues, or will our DB's somehow getting better, or will the schedule be more favorable to get us to 6-6 and a bowl game.

Apple Cup depth chart released...

Washington State just released this week's depth chart and there's a couple changes on both sides of the ball, including the return of an important piece on offense.

Depth Chart Notes

-Redshirt freshman running back Gerard Wicks is once again listed on the depth chart after missing the last few games with an illness (mononucleosis).

-River Cracraft is listed as the starter at Y-receiver ahead of Tyler Baker, which is a change from last week. Baker got the start last week and both players played significant snaps against Arizona State.

-Marcellus Pippins played well in relief of Daquawn Brown last week and is now listed as the starting field cornerback while Brown is again listed as the starter at BOUNDARY cornerback. Charleston White is listed as the No. 2 behind Brown and Pat Porter is the listed backup to Pippins.

-Cole Madison is now listed as the No. 2 at right tackle, though he hasn't played for three weeks. Jacob Seydel has filled in for Madison and is still listed as the starter at right tackle. Madison is also out with an illness (mononucleosis).

-Rickey Galvin is listed as the starter at H-receiver ahead of Robert Lewis, who got the start at Arizona State on Saturday.

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Hoops notebook: Ernie Kent's radio show...

Washington State head coach Ernie Kent was on the Cougars' IMG Radio Network for the Coaches Show with Ernie Kent on Monday from Zeppoz in Pullman. I listened in and here's the things that I heard in bullet form.

Notes from Ernie Kent's radio show

-Kent said Washington State handled the Idaho State zone pretty well. He thought they moved the ball well and shot the ball well in the second half. He also said that he challenged DaVonte Lacy at halftime and he responded well in the second half.

-Kent said that in the second half the team played with a lot more fire, energy and confidence in the second half, which helped the team shoot the ball better.

-As for Lacy, Kent said great players, at some point in time, have to be selfish, take over a game and look to score more. He wanted him to have the green light and Lacy did just that.

-On Josh Hawkinson's monster game, Kent says he's enjoying the process and as his body is getting right, the confidence and overall game is coming around. "He's growing up in front of your eyes," Kent said. "He's a very smart basketball player. I was very proud of him."

-The basketball version of The Drive on Pac-12 Networks spent a large majority of last Friday in Pullman following the team around as the prepared to face Idaho State and during the game, too. They turn the mics off at halftime, which Kent says was nice because it's tough to have a mic on you at all times.

He says there was some cool stuff in the heat of the moment, but also some special moments that fans will like. They'll also follow the Cougars during an Oregon game and Washington game this season.

-The Cougars head to Alaska this weekend, beginning tomorrow, and Kent says that this trip will be a little different than the first road trip because there won't be a lot of academics, which should free them up more. They didn't practice on Saturday and Sunday, practiced hard today, will travel tomorrow and have a light workout on Wednesday before Thursday night's game against UCSB.

-Kent talked about the Gauchos of Santa Barbara and says they're similiar to the Cougars, as are, Rice, Mercer and Colorado State, whom they'll face likely. They have a low post guy and play with four guards, spread the floor, are patient, smart and he says the biggest challenge of the game will be to shut down their big man Allen Williams (21 points per game) inside.

-The game the Guachos played at Kansas, Kent says, was big for them because they were able to slow the game down and keep the game somewhat close. He says UCSB is a very disciplined team.

-Kent says that most of the teams in the eight team tournament are similar to the Cougars and that a neutral floor helps. He hopes that they'll be in the right state of mind and ready to play. Also, he doesn't see why they can't win a championship up there.

-As for Thanksgiving, they'll eat after the game on Thursday. There won't be much sight seeing because they're playing three games in three days. He then talked about Lil Wayne, Lil Boosie and Beyonce about something, but I got lost.

-How big will it be to have some success in Alaska? Kent says it's going to be huge if they can go into a challenge like this. It can boost their confidence for the rest of the season. They're not going to beat them up and so they're going to look for any kind of success on a small scale so they can boost that confidence on a bigger scale down the road.

-Kent talked about his new signing class a little more, beginning with Renard Suggs, who he says is an excellent scorer and will help replace Lacy's scoring next season. Derrien King is also a scorer that can shoot it from the perimeter, much like Suggs. They'll both come in the door as junior college transfers that will have familiarity with the college lifestyle.

-On Robert Franks, Kent says he's the skilled four-man that he wanted to get. He didn't know what they were going to get out of Hawkinson, so they wanted to add something there. Franks is more athletic than Hawkinson and Kent expects Franks to play in the front court with him next year.

-On Jeff Pollard, Kent says that it was important for his family to send Pollard to prep school for a year, much like his older brother, who is now at Rice. He's a smart kid, too.

-Kent says that Valentine Izundu, who transferred in from Houston, is a guy that can dominate in the post. He also thinks it's good that he'll be able to sit out this year to develop his skills a little more. There's a lot of pressure on huge players like Izundu because he's tall and people think he should be dominant right away, which isn't the case.

Kent wants him to develop this year and game confidence. He's coming into his body right now and he'll get there, he says.

-Hawkinson and Railey both started against Idaho State, but then went to a four guard rotation around Hawkinson. Kent says that he's still calculating what "seven or best eight players he has and adapt his offense that fits them." Right now he's trying to get the most productive players in the rotation but that doesn't necessarily mean he'll have big guys in together.

"We have to score better," Kent says. He says that he's going to tinker with things, play with things differently and isn't afraid to play a bunch of small guys to manufacture more points.

-On Ny Redding, who had 10 points, 4 assists and 3 rebounds on Friday, Kent says the biggest thing that he does is that he creates accountability. As a freshman, he struggled coming into practice scoring the ball, but then got in the gym every night, battled through some adversity and has bought in.

"He's going to make other players better on this team because his play is going to hold others accountable," Kent said. "He takes basketball very seriously. If a freshman comes in and outworks everyone else, he's going to play."

-Kent wants Ike Iroegbu and Dexter Kernich-Drew to be more aggressive and be on their "a-game." They need to be consistent knowing their jobs and doing their jobs. He thinks all of the guys are buying in, but now it's a matter of having the accountability in place to be successful. He sees that happening on a daily basis.

-On Que Johnson, Kent says that he doesn't envision him coming off the bench. He wants him to continue to understand the speed of the game and focus on the defensive end. "His game is going to demand a starting job sooner rather than later," Kent said. "I need about two or three guys to do that and then we have something special."

-Kent says that Lacy and Que are similar in that they shoot the ball well, but Que brings an added dimension to rebounding. Lacy is better at getting into the lane better. For them to have success this year, Kent says they have to play at a high level together.

-On trying to get Cheatum, Longrus and Railey consistent, he says that's been a big challenge. "We're going to need them," Kent says. "I look at their numbers combined and if their numbers combined give us great contributions, we'll be fine." Kent says they aren't doing that and since they're going to be a "three-headed monster," they'll need to play better rotationally.

-On Longrus, he says he loves his screens, his rebounding and vocality on defense, but he "really loves scoring." He needs Longrus to score more and understand that that's also one of his responsibilities.

incoming recruits update

So far it looks like our two high school players have not played any games. Our two JC transfers have however started play. Renaldo Sugg's team has played 6 and lost 1. I couldn't find any stats but according to some news articles he appears to be scoring in double figures with at least one game of 20 points. Derrien King's team is 2-2 he is averaging 15 points a game, with games of 15, 14, 19, and 12. He also has had rebounds of 3, 6, 7, 4. Just information for what ever its worth
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Change of plans: Four-star DE sets Apple Cup visit...

North Potomac (Md.) Quince Orchard defensive end Adam McLean will now officially visit Washington State this weekend instead of his previous plans to visit Dec. 5. The Rivals250 four-star is rated the No. 9 defensive end in the nation. McLean de-committed from Penn State last week.

McLean was originally scheduled to officially visit with Tim Settle, another Rivals250 four-star, though Settle will visit USC this weekend and take his Washington State official next weekend.

Hawkinson, et al

Somebody had to emerge to give Lacy some help or it was going to be a very long season. At this point, the only player that it is fair to say has "emerged" is Hawkinson. And what a pleasant surprise he's been thus far. Doesn't have blazing speed (not even a really quick first step), a lot of physical strength or a particularly good vertical. In an odd sort of way, that is good, because the success that he has had thus far has all been from things he could control, rather than being due to a bunch of natural gifts. And kids who succeed because of what is between their ears (as opposed to despite what is between their ears) can generally continue to progress over time. I don't expect him to have a good game every night. There will be bumps and slumps. But when a kid succeeds because he understands the game and understands how he can take the cards he has been dealt and play the game, good things tend to happen over time. I suspect that by the end of the season Mr. Hawkinson will be a very solid PAC level player. Now, if he happens to develop a leader's personality along the way, we'll really have something to look forward to in the future…but that remains to be seen.

It was also nice to see Lacy finally break out. Let's hope that is the start of a trend.

We still need a 3rd scorer, but that is a lot better than before the season, when I was wondering who the 2nd scorer was going to be (if were even going to have one). The good news is that there are several candidates. We really need a guy who can shoot the occasional 3 with some credibility, be reliable with a mid-range jumper and also penetrate. That traditionally is a 3, but Hawkinson is doing a lot of that from the 4 spot. If we can find a 3 who can do those things, we'll be in business. With three reliable scorers we can win some games. That won't win the majority of the games all by itself, but it at least gives us a chance to be in the game.

My biggest curiosity going into the Alaska tournament is whether somebody will step up to be that third scorer. And what the heck, with Boese starting the second half (who would have predicted that a month ago?), it seems like everybody on the bench is trying to earn minutes. Maybe somebody will actually take the next step. At least I've got something to watch, which is frankly a relief after years in basketball Siberia.

ST and Defense

With Muschamp out, the first domino (at least major one) has fallen. I'm assuming Volero is gone since I can't tell you what he does to draw a paycheck. Russell is already out, and Breske will be gone or will be on double secret probation.

Here is your ST and LB coach (filling Russell's slot).
http://www.gatorzone.com/football/staff/durkin

If you keep Breske use Volero's slot for a DB coach, like this guy.
http://www.gatorzone.com/football/staff/robinson

Or this guy.
http://www.mgoblue.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/030413aaa.html

Or this guy.
http://www.fightingillini.com/coachbeckman/timbanks.html


If you can Breske (which I'm in favor of), then you have another slot. IMO, Leach will look for an older coach that will not have much recruiting responsibility. You can pluck someone out of the MWC, get someone disgruntled like the guy at Utah (but that could disappear real quick with the announcement of an extension), etc. We probably don't want to way until former NFL assistants are available. I'm not in favor of Clancy Pendergast because he's been fired from his last two stops in back to back years and is currently unemployed. Go with Bob Gregory, and give the fans a name they are familiar with.

Whatever happened to sticking with Bennett Ball?

I know Bone went off course a bit -- a little bit more "run and gun" -- but I have always been puzzled why we just didn't stick with a system that kind of worked.

Play tight defense (full court press).
Milk the clock on offense.
Take high % offensive shots with about 5 seconds left on the shot clock.

It just always seemed to me you could recruit and find kids to fit in that system. Largely because not a lot of D1 teams play with that scheme.

Are present day receivers just physically weak?

And I'm not just talking about our guys. The ASU guys aren't going up and fighting for the ball either.

I mean, are we that far removed from the Hills, Bumpus's and Darlings that kids just don't know how to do it anymore?

Vince is a huge physical presence, but unless the ball is thrown within arm's length he isn't going to get it. (and sometimes not even then...)

It's just mind-boggling.


edit - and then Mayle makes a liar out of me... smh.

edit x2 - and Meyers makes me a double liar. about to delete this thread. Were they reading it on the sideline?

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How will Mariota do in the NFL?

He's looking like a lock for the Heisman, and possibly the first overall pick. It's also looking like it will be a 4-way race for him between Tampa Bay, the Rams, the Jets and possibly even the Skins. The other bad teams have already hitched their wagons to other QBs very recently (Vikings, Jags, Raiders). If he doesn't go in the first few, you could also see Tennessee, Houston or Buffalo.

He's a great dual threat QB with excellent mobility and decent (not great) pocket presence. Also seems like a likable, humble, laid back kid who stayed out of trouble and has good character.

He could end up a Russell Wilson-type guy and have success, but I think it's more likely that he struggles at the next level. I guess the "problem" with the draft is that the top picks are often these great athletes who come from situations where their team is WAY better than all the other teams, and they get picked by the worst teams in the NFL to come in and often play with slightly inferior players, schemes and coaches. After all, it's not an accident that bad teams are bad.

For (most) of his career at Oregon, he's had the best coaches, the best facilities, the best team doctors and extraneous staff, great OL, elite receivers and backs. He will next go to a place like DC where suddenly all those advantages are gone and he's running for his life against the best in the business. Hard to hone your pocket presence as a mediocre pocket QB when you're running for your life and throwing to maybe a single #1 receiver, and your defense can't get you back on the field. His entire career he's had backs and receivers running wild with no defenders in sight; that ends about 9 months from now.

I think if he survives his first couple of years on a bad team he will succeed, but the graveyard of great college QBs whose careers fizzled on a bad team is a vast one.

As I write, a possible sign of things to come: he's on a goal-and-short situation, he's had to move around in the pocket, he fakes a pass and two defenders jump... instead of seeing his opening and barreling forward for the score he collapses on the ground untouched like an omega dog rolling over and asking the alpha to spare its life.
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