As a young girl my mother-in-law lived under Nazi occupation in Luxembourg. People like Goober and the functionally illiterate lawyer were Nazi sympathizers during the war. She had cousins that were shunned by the rest of her family and society for their wartime activities. Luxembourg was/is a very civil place: in other countries the fate of these people could be far worse.
Abandoning allies
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I wasn't aware that we had to run our sources past the Disinformation Committee for approval before posting. BTW, is the committee you, Coug90%, Simp Willie?
BTW, note that the article was not all about kissing Trump's ass, it did include some of his problems, and it was about his work long before he was the president. You guys struggle more understanding TDS than you would with a nuclear brain surgery text book.
FYI, I may answer this question that you raise. I have been mulling it over in my mind whether to give long, rational, informative answer to the question or just admit the reality that it won't make a ****ing bit of difference for the Orange Man Bad gang because they operate with horse blinders on and are incapable of processing any opinion that creates a miniscule bit of cognitive dissonance in their world. I'll let you know.
Sometimes you amaze me. Trump and Vance's body language and words were way worse than Zelensky's.
And the guy is 3 years into a war. Of course he would ask for more aid. Wouldn't you?
And the "meeting" might have well been a talk show. Again - why was this open to reporters given the sensitive subject matter at hand? Zelensky should have just said no I won't have a press-filled meeting. That's why they have press conferences. Absolutely disgraceful performance by the USA. And oh, tell me about Rubio's body language. Like WTF did I do this for?
It was the oval office presser photo op that we’ve seen many times. Why Trump didn’t clear the room when it heated up, I don’t know.
You’re forgetting that Zelenskyy has gotten everything or almost everything he’s wanted. He wanted ATACMS. Eventually got them. Then it was to launch them deep into Russia. And Patriot batteries, and eventually got them. And it was F-16s, and eventually got them.
But now he’s not getting something he wants- a security guaranty. Of course Zelenskyy is frustrated and desperate. But that doesn’t mean Ukraine gets whatever Zelenskyy asks for.
Pretty sure you’re free to go die for Zelensky.
https://x.com/mericamemed/status/1895659480584753527?s=46
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Or, the other interpretation:
Zelensky’s posture was defensive, and Vance’s forward lean, gestures in his direction, tone and volume were extremely aggressive.
Plus, he couldn’t get a word in as Vance & Trump kept talking over him. He kept a pretty even volume and seemed to try to maintain some decorum while his “hosts” went on the attack. His ambassador had her head in her hands because she couldn’t believe they’d been drawn into this ambush at the hands of a country that has stood for freedom & self-determination for a century…until a couple weeks ago.
Funny coming from a guy who fancies himself a wwii authority yet wasn’t aware/doesn’t understand a Goebbels quote, how it pertains to post-war Germany and their laws and what it has to do with Vance’s words in Germany and his embracing of the racist and anti-Semitic right-wing extremist AfD.
You didn’t like the results of a democratic election. That's the only conclusion that can be reached. You do know that the AfD candidate for chancellor is gay, and her partner is Sri Lankan. That doesn’t quite fit your narrative.
And, as previously stated, Zuck and Elon got their money’s worth.
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Simple answer for simple minds. Try harder.
And yes, Musk and the Facebook dweeb did get their money’s worth. Our country is for sale to the highest bidder, same as it ever was. Just a lot more transparent now. But isn’t this the very corruption the MAGAs are supposedly rebelling against? Funny that. Squirrel, squirrel, look at the squirrel.
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Ignoring facts you don’t like is indeed a simple minded approach. You are trying too hard.
Bonus question: on what day will Susan Rice be arrested?
Or, Victoria Nuland
https://x.com/ricwe123/status/1895571160332726683?s=46
Are alliances built on self-enrichment really alliances for the betterment of the country?
30+ years of neo-conservatism (including Obama and Clintons) has resulted in millions of deaths and created countless millionaires (billionaires)?
Enough is enough.
30+ years of neo-conservatism (including Obama and Clintons) has resulted in millions of deaths and created countless millionaires (billionaires)?
Enough is enough.
Let's be honest, this is only news because it happen in public. This isn't a Trump thing. Like the British before us, the USA has a history of strong arm "diplomacy. "
Talking about the bomb, Ernest Bevin, Labour (left wing) UK foreign secretary, had this to say in 1946, "We've got to have this thing … whatever it costs. We've got to have the bloody union jack on top of it."
This is what he had to say to the British cabinet, not following a meeting with Vyacheslav Molotov as you might suspect, but following a dressed down meeting with Truman's Secretary of State James Byrnes. Prior to that meeting, as a good socialist, Bevin was for scrapping military spending and UK bomb development. After the meeting, it was "we will eat grass to have the bomb."
Now imagine how bad THAT meeting went...
Talking about the bomb, Ernest Bevin, Labour (left wing) UK foreign secretary, had this to say in 1946, "We've got to have this thing … whatever it costs. We've got to have the bloody union jack on top of it."
This is what he had to say to the British cabinet, not following a meeting with Vyacheslav Molotov as you might suspect, but following a dressed down meeting with Truman's Secretary of State James Byrnes. Prior to that meeting, as a good socialist, Bevin was for scrapping military spending and UK bomb development. After the meeting, it was "we will eat grass to have the bomb."
Now imagine how bad THAT meeting went...
Time and place, time and place. This was neither the proper time nor the proper place. Before this meeting/ceremony-yes, proper time and place. After this meeting/ceremony- yes, proper time and place. Each of those options would be out of the view of the press and public. There you can ask for whatever you want, try to plead your case for much more than what we (The United States) have already given and committed.
Let's say that you and your wife are going to your in-laws for Thanksgiving dinner. Your in-laws have been helping you and your wife out for the past 3 years with $1,000/month because you were laid off and had to find another job that pays a lot less than what you used to make. Last week they had agreed to give you an extra $200/month starting in January to help even more with increased costs of food and utilities. You appreciate their support, but you REALLY want to get $1,500/month from them to live more comfortably. So do ask them over the phone or in person the week before the dinner, at the Thanksgiving dinner with other relatives there, or the week after the dinner?
I am sure you know that the proper time is absolutely NOT at the dinner. And I am sure you realize that the proper time and place for Zelensky to try to negotiate additional support from the US was absolutely NOT at yesterday's meeting/ceremony.
Was it the time and place for Trump and Vance to demand that Zelensky debase himself and beg for our support?
We are supposed to be a Christian nation and the GOP is supposed to be the party that represents that. Trump and Vance act like Mafia goons telling Zelensky, "It would be a shame if anything were to happen to your little country" and demanding hundreds of billions of dollars in rare earth minerals and natural resources is the exact opposite of Christianity.
Trump could have treated Zelensky with a modicum of respect himself, but unfortunately, the only people that Trump treats with respect are men that are worse than him....because he wishes that he could be them. Instead, he used that press conference to ambush Zelensky in an attempt to get him to grovel. You talk about time and place and you are right that it was neither the time nor place for Trump to be a gigantic prick....but that's Trump 24/7 so what else would we have expected? And Vance is just a f#ckin' poser who wants to be Trump.
Nailed it with the first sentence!
I saw an interview yesterday with Mike Pompeo and he stated he had seen and participated in many negotiations that got much more heated than yesterday's, but had never seen it done in public like that. He said it was very wrong for Zelensky to do that in public. Just after him 4-Star General Jack Keane (Retired) was interviewed and agreed with Pompeo, saying that Zelensky is not understanding the situation, that he actually IS getting support from Trump.
FWIW, I have never seen anyone as knowledgeable on political and military conflicts/situations, and break it down into understandable language. An extremely brilliant man!
It really must suck to be you, living in your world completely consumed by hatred.
Time and place is important. VZ blew up the deal and it is his fault. The mineral rights deal had benefits to both parties, the US and Ukraine would both gain something. As Gen Keane stated BEFORE the meeting yesterday, Putin HATES this deal. Zelensky needed to realize that Trump cannot end up getting a peace deal made if he comes out 100% in favor of favor of Ukraine.
Zelensky went for anal on the first date when he might have walked away with a little heavy petting.
Don't make the boss look bad at the annual company meeting.
Allright Stretch, you are so full of shit. First off, who invited the press to a meeting that absolutely should have been behind closed doors? Not Zelensky. It was all about Trump blindsiding Zelensky. And what exactly did Zelensky do wrong when he was being berated and finger pointed at from Trump and JD Vance? Did you want him to get on one knee and beg? This disaster is fully on Trump wanting public theatre. Horribly damaging to everyone, especially Ukraine.
And Trump can't get a peace deal if 100% in favor of Ukraine? So what, Russia gets the occupied territory, and a lukewarm guarantee (not from the US though) of security?
Do you dipshits forget that Russia's first attack came from the North, destination Kyiv? It was a full-scale invasion bent on taking over the whole country. Thankfully Ukraine stopped them cold. So F yes any peace deal should be 100% in favor of Ukraine.
And Observer - "the boss" was the one who invited the press (including Russian state media so I read. If he looked bad on TV (he did) that his fault.
Europe's reaction is unsurprising and justified. Trump won't stop until he destroys our country.
“They’re not what you say because one of them is Sri-lankan carpet muncher.”
Yeah, that changes all those other “facts” you so conveniently ignore.
These oval office presser photo op things happen all the time. They were answering questions from the media. Trump did the same thing in the same spot with Macron and Starmer. This was obviously scheduled. Trump says a lunch meeting was next and then signing the deal.
For those that want to believe Zelenskyy was getting ambushed, it wasn't. Why wait 35+ minutes? Zelenskyy could have clammed up. Watch the whole thing. It seemed to slowly heat up with a lot of talk of security guarantees from Zelenskyy, then went hot when this Polish (?) reporter asked his question around 38:00. Trump said one more question. so it was almost over.
Yeah well let's say Russia invaded the US and captured, say, Washington and Oregon. Would you want the US to make peace and give up those 2 occupied states? Putin is an evil M-F'er. Zelensky is fighting for his country's life. And Trump berates and puts him down in front of the whole world. How anyone can blame Zelensky one bit is complete BS. The entire free world is aghast at Trump's behavior. And that of that Dumb F Vance.
Zelensky released footage of the Traitors working against American success.
Any of you guys spot your buddies?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/03/bipartisan-group-rinos-democrat-senators-met-zelensky-blew/
There is no hypothetical here.
There is either war or peace.
"Entire" is hyperbole.
Your hypothetical isn’t very well reasoned.
Red Dawn was a movie.
Zelensky chose to have more of his citizens slaughtered instead of choosing life for them. That isn’t evil?
Ukraine made their bed for what... 25 years before seeking NATO membership. They thumbed their nose at the west, instead chosing "neutrality" while they played both sides of the fence.
NOW, they're begging for NATO membership because what everyone told them would happen, happened. While I feel sorry for the citizens of Ukraine, I have zero for their government or leadership. In fact, up until they were invaded in 2014, their citizens didn't want to be a part of NATO either; they wanted their cake and eat it to, selling and trading with Russia and the West.
The truth is, this entire war like most others is about resources and money, and Ukraine got burned by Russia because Russia didn't want to share their puppet state with the rest of the world.
The truth is Russia might not go away until Putin dies or we end up in a full scale war.
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Okay, here we go. You know, I did happen to catch the predictions on either CNN or MSNBC the night before the meeting where they were predicting this was all about sabotaging Ukraine. I laughed at the time and I laugh now. (Yes, I do sometimes check out what kind of bullshit those phonies are talking about at the time.
Please explain exactly why this meeting should have been behind closed doors? This was not ever planned to be a negotiating meeting, it was planned as a celebration of an agreement between the two countries that would hopefully be a step towards a peaceful ending of the war IN Ukraine. It is just like has been done over and over and over by many presidents doing treaties, trade agreements, even Executive Orders. It was to be a chance for the press to ask questions of the two leaders just before the actual signing. BTW, this was actually the 3rd opportunity that Zelensky had been given to sign the agreement, the previous 2 times were in Europe and he backed out both times. No surprise he torpedoed this opportunity as well.
The problem with Zelensky is that he is letting his hatred rule his decision making. He is not understanding the reality of the situation that he finds himself in, as he wants to have his country made whole again and have Putin completely removed, and that just ain't going to happen.
So what exactly is the situation? To start with, Putin is a bully, a thug, a killer, an asshole, and has no concern at all for VZ, the Ukrainian people, or the Russian people. He considers them as disposable as a used Kleenex. So Russia/Putin has invaded Ukraine. They have now been there about three years, right? If everything was right and good in the world, Putin would have an epiphany that he was doing wrong and would apologize and withdraw all of his troops from Ukraine. And Crimea also. Of course, we all know that the odds of that happening are approximately 10 zillion to 1, so now what do we do? Which of the two parties in the war have the position of strength? Sadly, it is Russia, as they have position of the disputed territory, they have the edge in weapons, and they have the edge in manpower, which Putin considers expendable. The only reason Ukraine has been able to hang onto what they have is because several countries, including the US, have contributed weapons, ammunition, etc. Of course, Russia has been able to convince both China and North Korea to contribute supplies and bodies to their cause, so that makes them even stronger in a matchup with Ukraine.
From an article on RedState.com, only to quote the portion shared on Twitter/X by that notorious right winger, Jake Tapper:
"I hope I'm going to be remembered as a peacemaker. I'm doing this to save lives — more than anything else… this could lead to a third world war. This was headed in the wrong direction," he added.
Even CNN's anti-Trump reporter Jake Tapper was forced to admit that a pro-Ukraine expert, normally supportive of Zelenskyy, told him that Zelenskyy should listen to Trump.
“Ukraine is losing this war,” the expert told him. “Russia is making tens of thousands of drones per month, and Ukraine can't shoot them all down. Russia is making advances because Russia doesn't value human life and is ok to lose thousands of men a day. Ukraine can't keep up with that and shouldn't.”
"There needs to be an end to this war, and there are only three ways out,” the expert continued. “One, America can send military weapons and manpower and potentially this starts World War III. Two, Ukraine can surrender and give in to Putin. Or three, we give this ceasefire plan and deal that Trump is pushing a chance. I would go for option three. Trump was talking about Ukraine getting land back that it has lost just yesterday.”
The expert added, "Zelenskyy knew the position of the Trump administration ahead of time. Perhaps this meeting was a trap, but it's one Zelenskyy could have easily avoided.”
Right. Because dgibbons says so. Almost as convincing as your other ace-in-the-hole;“I know you are but what am I?”
You really should have been a lawyer with the mad logic, lack of attention to detail, and intellectual laziness you bring to the table. Truly a missed opportunity in life.
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