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The San Diego Union-Tribune: San Diego State, 4 others formally leave Mountain West

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95coug said:
This is, and always has been, a pipe dream. It should have been abundantly and immediately clear that the Big 12 wants nothing to do with OSU and WSU, when they had the opportunity to pick us up along with UA, ASU, and Utah but chose not to.

The Big 12 has their current deal because they have a footprint in some significant markets (Denver, Phoenix, Dallas, Houston, plus Utah and Houston give them the Mormon market). It's not because they have any particularly significant programs. That conference will stagnate through the next round of realignment and media deal - they're not going to get anything better unless they snatch up more markets. And, their only chance of that is if the ACC implodes (which looks less likely in the near future) or if the Big 10 and SEC release teams (which isn't happening until the next contract cycle). Either way, WSU and OSU don't bring market to the table, and aren't going to be an attractive option, unless they're needed to even out the schedule and will do it at a discount.
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We absolutely do. To the tune of a better market than most of the current B12 including several (maybe every?) school they brought in. The Seattle market is WSUs as well and the numbers don’t lie, WSU has been drawing eyeballs to TV sets for years.

It wasn’t a pipe dream at all. It should have been a no brainer. We just had the worst F’n salesman on the planet (thank you again Kirk) representing WSU when (and before) shit started hitting the fan.
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The San Diego Union-Tribune: San Diego State, 4 others formally leave Mountain West

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Coug90 said:
Are we still hanging on to this hope? I was one of the ones who was but I’ve resigned to the fact that the P12 is basically the new MWC.
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This is, and always has been, a pipe dream. It should have been abundantly and immediately clear that the Big 12 wants nothing to do with OSU and WSU, when they had the opportunity to pick us up along with UA, ASU, and Utah but chose not to.

The Big 12 has their current deal because they have a footprint in some significant markets (Denver, Phoenix, Dallas, Houston, plus Utah and Houston give them the Mormon market). It's not because they have any particularly significant programs. That conference will stagnate through the next round of realignment and media deal - they're not going to get anything better unless they snatch up more markets. And, their only chance of that is if the ACC implodes (which looks less likely in the near future) or if the Big 10 and SEC release teams (which isn't happening until the next contract cycle). Either way, WSU and OSU don't bring market to the table, and aren't going to be an attractive option, unless they're needed to even out the schedule and will do it at a discount.
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The San Diego Union-Tribune: San Diego State, 4 others formally leave Mountain West

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mikalalas said:
PAC 12 is, will be, is the 5th best football conference in America once it gets its 8th football team.

MWC was NEVER the 5th best football conference in America.

The AAC was the 5th best football conference in America

So the PAC 12 is NOT a MWC 2.0.

The PAC 12 is a AAC 2.0, semi hybrid G5, P5, 5th best conference behind SEC, Big 10, Big 12, ACC, and Dave's post about PAC 12 FACTS above PROVES IT.

That said, your right that PAC 12 is probably NOT going to merge, join with either of ACC/Big 12, unless one of those 2 get raided, and need to backfill, and even then it might not happen, etc.
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Survive till 2030. Everything is going to change again at that point.
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The San Diego Union-Tribune: San Diego State, 4 others formally leave Mountain West

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Coug90 said:
Are we still hanging on to this hope? I was one of the ones who was but I’ve resigned to the fact that the P12 is basically the new MWC.
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PAC 12 is, will be, is the 5th best football conference in America once it gets its 8th football team.

MWC was NEVER the 5th best football conference in America.

The AAC was the 5th best football conference in America

So the PAC 12 is NOT a MWC 2.0.

The PAC 12 is a AAC 2.0, semi hybrid G5, P5, 5th best conference behind SEC, Big 10, Big 12, ACC, and Dave's post about PAC 12 FACTS above PROVES IT.

That said, your right that PAC 12 is probably NOT going to merge, join with either of ACC/Big 12, unless one of those 2 get raided, and need to backfill, and even then it might not happen, etc.
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The San Diego Union-Tribune: San Diego State, 4 others formally leave Mountain West

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PeteTheChop said:
Mik, would you rather see WSU in the Big 12 or a rebuilt Pac 12 -- no matter who is the 8th football member?

Would you be upset if Ann McCoy was using her connections and pulling some strings in an effort to get WSU a spot in the Big 12?
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Are we still hanging on to this hope? I was one of the ones who was but I’ve resigned to the fact that the P12 is basically the new MWC.
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The San Diego Union-Tribune: San Diego State, 4 others formally leave Mountain West

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Was hoping to find articles from a Logan, Utah (Utah State) and Fort Collins (Colorado State) newspaper on those two schools giving official notice to leave the MWC, but nothing was published. Here's a small bit from Jon Wilner:

Jon Wilner on the 5 schools giving notice

I've copied the portion of the Wilner article that covers the 5 schools giving notice below:

5. New Pac-12 schools give departure notice to the Mountain West

Nitty gritty: Boise State, Colorado State, Fresno State, San Diego State and Utah State on Saturday informed the Mountain West of their planned exit on July 1, 2026.

Why it matters: While a formality in many regards, the official notice, as reported by the San Diego Union-Tribune, is worth noting for the public record.

The quintet moved on May 31 in order to beat the June 1 deadline that would have marked a doubling of the exit fees, from $18 million to $36 million, based on Mountain West policy.

For all the scuttlebutt on social media that the schools might be pondering a merger between the new Pac-12 and the new Mountain West, the development helps underscore a point overlooked by many fans: The five schools are leaving, in large part, to disassociate themselves competitively from the bottom of the conference.

Strength-of-schedule matters immensely in the era of the expanded CFP, which features an automatic bid for the best team outside the Power Four conferences.

In most years, the champion of the rebuilt Pac-12 should have an excellent chance to reach the playoff. That would not necessarily be the case if the bottom half of the Mountain West were part of the conference.

The same strategy holds for NCAA Tournament at-large bids.

It’s not just about more media revenue. It’s about creating a higher standard of competition to widen the path into the CFP and March Madness.
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Canzano Article on Leach and HOF....a couple of great text quotes....

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Suudy said:
Careful.

Northern Pikeminnow now.

en.wikipedia.org

Northern pikeminnow - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

Interestingly, the largest caught was at Almota: “The current International Game Fish Association all tackle world record for northern pikeminnow is 7 lb 14 oz (3.6 kg) from the Snake River near Almota, Washington.”
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That’s the biggest one recorded and certified, but I’ve seen them pulled out at grain elevators at almota, central ferry, lyons ferry, and windust that I think would beat that
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Canzano Article on Leach and HOF....a couple of great text quotes....

Suudy
cr8zyncalif said:
I caught my first 12"+ fish in Mud Bay (a squaw fish) in about 1965.
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Careful.

Northern Pikeminnow now.

en.wikipedia.org

Northern pikeminnow - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

Interestingly, the largest caught was at Almota: “The current International Game Fish Association all tackle world record for northern pikeminnow is 7 lb 14 oz (3.6 kg) from the Snake River near Almota, Washington.”
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