Loyal Coug1 said:

Let's see if we can some intelligent discourse here.

So we all know about the US and the three branches of government. Executive, Legislative and Judicial. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this is a question asked to prospective US citizens?

We also know that the R's in Congress are getting uneasy about what appears to be infringement on their turf (tariff's, etc.). Ok, there's that. But now the Supreme Court and many other courts, federal and otherwise, have made rulings against the Administration, specifically about deportations. The Administration (read Trump) are publicly stating that they don't need to follow these rulings. Any judge ruling against the Administration is being threatened with impeachment.

All agree so far?

So my question is who to obey? If/when the Supreme Court is defied, what are their options? They have no power over law enforcement or the military. If say, Kristi Noem follows orders to defy the SCOTUS, what can they do? Have her arrested, and by who? Federal Marshals? If they don't obey the court, are they subject to arrest? What about defying Congress? If they vote to eliminate Canada tariffs for instance, how can they enforce what is supposed to be their domain? If Trump tells Texas to load the Venezuelans on a plane in defiance of the SCOTUS, what are Texas officials, State/Federal whatever, supposed to do and at what cost to them?

Put aside your political leanings for a thread. I don't know these answers. And we are probably going to find out here pretty soon. Quite the conundrum. Intelligent thoughts welcome. The 2 (and growing list of) trolls are welcome to sit this one out.

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Coug90 said:

Sorry Uber. He’s out and no amount of Loomer or Rogan tweets will save him.

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/21/nx-s1-5371312/trump-white-house-pete-hegseth-defense-department

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UberCougars said:

Efficiency, is your answer. I spend about 10-15 minutes here a day as entertainment.

I can find well researched, well reasoned answers to most any question in mere seconds by utilizing state of the art technology most in this forum have yet to experience(statistically speaking) let alone master.

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Flatlandcoug said:

The issue on timber is the tariffs on Canadian softwood lumber. It's jumping from 14% to 34% next month.

You joke about sod houses. A few years ago, my brother-in-law bought 40 acres to expand his farm empire that had an old farmhouse on it. The walls were insulated with sod. Of course, the house was well over 100 years old and it was so unique that the owners had put in glass on one of the walls so that you could see the sod. Given that the house hadn't been lived in for a couple decades, it was falling down, so being a good steward of the environment, my brother-in-law dug a big hole, pushed the house into it, burned it and covered it up with dirt. Another sod house lost to the ages.

And yes...TCJA are the tax cuts that didn't end up being cuts for me.

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Loyal Coug1 said:

Let's see if we can some intelligent discourse here.

So we all know about the US and the three branches of government. Executive, Legislative and Judicial. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this is a question asked to prospective US citizens?

We also know that the R's in Congress are getting uneasy about what appears to be infringement on their turf (tariff's, etc.). Ok, there's that. But now the Supreme Court and many other courts, federal and otherwise, have made rulings against the Administration, specifically about deportations. The Administration (read Trump) are publicly stating that they don't need to follow these rulings. Any judge ruling against the Administration is being threatened with impeachment.

All agree so far?

So my question is who to obey? If/when the Supreme Court is defied, what are their options? They have no power over law enforcement or the military. If say, Kristi Noem follows orders to defy the SCOTUS, what can they do? Have her arrested, and by who? Federal Marshals? If they don't obey the court, are they subject to arrest? What about defying Congress? If they vote to eliminate Canada tariffs for instance, how can they enforce what is supposed to be their domain? If Trump tells Texas to load the Venezuelans on a plane in defiance of the SCOTUS, what are Texas officials, State/Federal whatever, supposed to do and at what cost to them?

Put aside your political leanings for a thread. I don't know these answers. And we are probably going to find out here pretty soon. Quite the conundrum. Intelligent thoughts welcome. The 2 (and growing list of) trolls are welcome to sit this one out.

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WillieThePimp said:

And to top it all off now JD Vance has gone and murdered Pope Francis.

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dgibbons said:

Every war is more than any superpower can do, especially without Flatland and other chickenhawks standing on the sideline. Not hard to understand.

Why do you want to throw more Ukrainians into the meat grinder?

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WillieThePimp said:

“I think the bottom line here is that some posters dislike the United States acting like a superpower.”

So what is it? Do you want the United States to act like a superpower or not? You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth.

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Loyal Coug1 said:

Ok, I read that. But in theory (not reality) both houses could overturn the tariffs and override a Presidential veto?

Still want your take on the SCOTUS/Courts vs Trump angle. I do in fact lend some credence to your thoughts. Seriously.

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Loyal Coug1 said:

Hmmm. Couple of thoughts. First, good on him for actually facing his constituents. I assume that no one got tased and hauled out like at MTG's town hall. Second, he sounds like a spineless chickenshit (surprise!). Congress is supposed to be in charge of tariffs. Do your F-ing job. Third, Timber? What timber? There is no timber in Kansas, is there? And don't you still build you houses with sod?

Oh, and TCJA stands for Trump's previous millionaire-benefitting tax cuts, correct?

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dgibbons said:

You want to go fight every war. So, when are you signing up?

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dgibbons said:

Yes I did.

"The Senate’s legislation has practically no chance of passing the Republican-controlled House and being signed by Trump,"

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dgibbons said:

Yes I did.

"The Senate’s legislation has practically no chance of passing the Republican-controlled House and being signed by Trump,"

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Loyal Coug1 said:

Ha ha - I'll give you that first line. It did make me chuckle You do have a sense of humor!

On tariffs, I thought Congress had the power to end or overturn tariffs. Random related article below. But what about the SCOTUS and the Prez? You didn't opine on that.

Senate rebukes Trump’s tariffs as some Republicans vote to halt taxes on Canadian imports

The Senate has passed a resolution that would thwart President Donald Trump’s ability to impose tariffs on Canada.

apnews.com

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dgibbons said:

You're involved, so intelligent discourse is questionable.

As far as I know, the Supreme Court has contempt powers to enforce orders just like every other court. For example in McClearly the WA legislature was in contempt for several years over education funding. Perhaps impeachment would be on the table, if that can be construed as a high crime or misdemeanor.

Regarding a disagreement between the executive and legislature, you're not being very clear. With enough votes, Congress can pass laws without Presidential signature. Congress gave tariff power to the President decades ago. So exercising authority delegated to the President or exercising authority set forth in Article II is not "defying Congress". And some areas have not been the subject of Supreme Court ruling, especially where power is shared. For example, the President negotiates and signs treaties. The Senate provides "advice and consent." Congress passed a law during Biden's term that restricts the ability of the US to exit NATO. The constitution does not speak clearly as to exiting treaties.

The fundamental problem is that Congress has abdicated governing in favor of fundraising and grandstanding.

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Senate rebukes Trump’s tariffs as some Republicans vote to halt taxes on Canadian imports

The Senate has passed a resolution that would thwart President Donald Trump’s ability to impose tariffs on Canada.

apnews.com

Flatlandcoug said:

Nobody is talking about sending US troops. Quit making stuff up.

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Loyal Coug1 said:

Weak sauce Gibby. Nobody is "mocking" anything except you. So I directly ask what your solution is to ending the war. YOU have nothing. "Don't mock efforts to end the war". You mean don't mock Putin? Sure as F sounds like it. C'mon tell us. Ukraine should give up its territories, be not allowed to join NATO, and get basically no assurances or security. Those are basically Putin's terms. Is that YOUR solution as well - or not? If not, then what is it?

My solution? Everyone (US, Europe, NATO) ships as much ammo, tanks, planes to Ukraine as humanly possible. Eastern NATO countries ramp up their borders (I believe that Germany is already doing this, as are others). If Ukraine wants to give up, that is their choice. Not ours. Clear enough for you?

And I have no interest in searching this forum for anyone's posts. Especially yours.

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Loyal Coug1 said:

Let's see if we can some intelligent discourse here.

So we all know about the US and the three branches of government. Executive, Legislative and Judicial. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this is a question asked to prospective US citizens?

We also know that the R's in Congress are getting uneasy about what appears to be infringement on their turf (tariff's, etc.). Ok, there's that. But now the Supreme Court and many other courts, federal and otherwise, have made rulings against the Administration, specifically about deportations. The Administration (read Trump) are publicly stating that they don't need to follow these rulings. Any judge ruling against the Administration is being threatened with impeachment.

All agree so far?

So my question is who to obey? If/when the Supreme Court is defied, what are their options? They have no power over law enforcement or the military. If say, Kristi Noem follows orders to defy the SCOTUS, what can they do? Have her arrested, and by who? Federal Marshals? If they don't obey the court, are they subject to arrest? What about defying Congress? If they vote to eliminate Canada tariffs for instance, how can they enforce what is supposed to be their domain? If Trump tells Texas to load the Venezuelans on a plane in defiance of the SCOTUS, what are Texas officials, State/Federal whatever, supposed to do and at what cost to them?

Put aside your political leanings for a thread. I don't know these answers. And we are probably going to find out here pretty soon. Quite the conundrum. Intelligent thoughts welcome. The 2 (and growing list of) trolls are welcome to sit this one out.

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Flatlandcoug said:

I was invited to a meet and greet with the US House Representative for my area today. It's always kind of interesting to get the perspective directly rather than through a media filter (right or left). Some takeaways:

1. He thinks that Trump is going too far with the tariffs but it's obvious that he isn't willing to rock the boat.
2. He thinks that they can cut Medicaid spending by eliminating waste and abuse in the system without kicking people that need the program to the curb.
3. He supports legal immigration but said that the system right now allows too many indirect family members to tag along and take spots that other legal immigrants would like to have. He did go off on a tangent about Biden's open border.
4. He claimed that the TCJA actually yielded a net positive in tax revenue in recent years even though it was originally estimated to cost $2.2 trillion over the 10 year period. I read an article before I typed this that said that any positive effects are going to be wiped out by rising costs in the next 10 years.
5. One of the folks in the meeting put him on the spot about lumber tariffs. On one hand, I appreciated that he didn't kneejerk push back on the question. On the other, it's not great that he said he would have to do some research on what the exact tariff discussions were. The association hosting the meeting is very sensitive to lumber pricing and he should have had that accounted for in his preparations.

Overall, my takeaway was that he is listening more to what people are saying than I expected and he didn't posture for us. I will say that it's obvious that he knows his place and he isn't going to draw unnecessary attention to himself fighting battles that he knows that he won't win.

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UberCougars said:

✅ sure.

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UberCougars said:

Efficiency, is your answer. I spend about 10-15 minutes here a day as entertainment.

I can find well researched, well reasoned answers to most any question in mere seconds by utilizing state of the art technology most in this forum have yet to experience(statistically speaking) let alone master.

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